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Forde: Time for Louisville to Get Coaching Hire right

On a variety of levels, Kenny Payne was an understandable and defensible hire as the men’s basketball coach for the Louisville Cardinals in 2022. But on the only level that matters, it turned out to be a flaming disaster.

After another dismal loss, this one in the first round of the Atlantic Coast Conference tournament Tuesday, the disaster is over. When it becomes official is immaterial. Payne is out, and the worst competitive era in school history is over.

Louisville won just 12 games and lost 52 under Payne, an incomprehensible record. There were losses to the Bellarmine Knights, Wright State Raiders, Appalachian State Mountaineers, Chattanooga Mocs and Arkansas State Red Wolves. There were consecutive last-place finishes in the ACC. There were acres of empty seats at home games and hours of outrage on talk radio. There was no hope.

Louisville takes basketball very seriously. The Cardinals have won three national titles* and played in 10 Final Fours* (the 2012 and ’13 Final Fours and ’13 natty have been vacated by the NCAA). The arena seats 22,000. For a place that cares this much, the product has been completely unacceptable.

Payne was a former player from the Denny Crum era, a nostalgia hire with a championship ring who appealed to the Crum old guard that had felt marginalized after he was replaced by Rick Pitino in 2001. He was the first Black basketball coach in school history, at a school with a large Black fan base and a proud history of championing Black players. He was considered an ace recruiter from his time on John Calipari’s staff at Kentucky, when the Wildcats were constantly outflanking the Cardinals for top talent.


Payne arrived at Louisville with a reputation for being an ace recruiter, but failed to turn that skill into results with the Cardinals.

Ultimately, none of those perceived attributes produced results. Payne was bad at every element of the job and took the program to new lows. (At least on the court. A place that has weathered multiple FBI investigations, extortion attempts, recruiting and sex scandals already was the industry leader in terms of extracurricular weirdness.) From debuting with an exhibition loss to a Division II opponent onward, there was never a smidge of evidence that he was the right man for the job.

Now, Louisville formally gets down to the business of finding—and hiring—the right man. It’s an elite job in the right hands.

The popular target among the fan base is Baylor’s Scott Drew. The avid bass fisherman would, himself, be a huge fish to land. He’s a relatively young (53) national champion who has won with astounding consistency at a place that historically never cared much about basketball. This is his 17th straight winning season, and it will end with his 12th NCAA bid.


Would he take the job? I’d be surprised. It would take a massive offer—with a massive accompanying NIL package—and it’s unclear whether Louisville is in a position financially to swing that. If it’s big enough (like, Bill Self/Calipari money) Baylor would probably thank Drew for his tenure and let him go. The school isn’t going to spend $10 million a year for a basketball coach.

If it’s a competitive but not outlandish offer, I don’t see Drew leaving Waco. He’s established and beloved in a place his family likes. Baylor opened a dazzling new arena this season. He’s a recruiting force in Texas (although the current team only has a few Texans). It would be a lot to give up to start over.

Lastly regarding Drew: You know what almost never happens? A national championship men’s basketball coach voluntarily leaving for another college job. There have been a lot of retirements, a few firings and the occasional NBA jump. The only two in the last 60 years who departed the place where they won a title for another school were Rollie Massimino (from the Villanova Wildcats to UNLV Runnin’ Rebels in 1992) and Norm Sloan (North Carolina State Wolfpack to Florida Gators in ’80).

A few people in Louisville are lighting candles and putting them in the windows for Chicago Bulls coach Billy Donovan, a two-time national champion with Florida in 2006 and ’07. He would, like Drew, be a whopper fish to land.

Maybe Donovan is ready for a return to college; maybe not. He signed a contract extension with the Bulls in 2022 that was reportedly for “at least four more years,” and if he’s not being fired, then Louisville seemingly would have a considerable buyout to pay—something the school is not excited about doing for college candidates. (Getting Donovan would probably require a different level of commitment.)
There assuredly would be other candidates, but an ideal Louisville short list could boil down to two guys in their late 40s who happen to be good friends: Florida Atlantic’s Dusty May and Indiana State’s Josh Schertz. Both could be great hires capable of restoring Louisville to annual NCAA tournament status—at least. (Louisville has the eighth-most NCAA appearances of all-time, but hasn’t been to the Big Dance since 2019 or won a tourney game since ’17.)
Operating under the current industry assumption that May is the top candidate for Ohio State, I expect Schertz to emerge as a focal point at Louisville. A fan base fixated on big names would hate it at first but could end up loving it when they see what he puts on the floor.
Schertz has a chance to be the basketball version of football coach Kalen DeBoer—a huge winner at a lower level who then succeeded in a mid-major spot and was ready for his shot at a big-time job. DeBoer won three NAIA national championships, won quickly with the Fresno State Bulldogs, then jumped to Washington and took the Huskies to the College Football Playoff championship game in his second season. Now, he’s the Alabama Crimson Tide coach.


Schertz has won at each of his collegiate coaching stops, most recently with Indiana State.
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Schertz averaged 26 wins a year at Division II Lincoln Memorial, advancing to the Final Four three times. His 32–1 team in 2020 might have been national championship material when the tourney was canceled by the COVID-19 pandemic.
That landed him the job at Indiana State, considered a dead-end job at the time. After a difficult debut season, he’s gone 51–19. This season’s team is 28–6, won the Missouri Valley Conference regular season title for the first time since 2000 and is awaiting its NCAA tournament fate after losing a great game in the Arch Madness final to Drake. If you haven’t watched the Sycamores yet, they’re a treat—fast and skilled in a modern, positionless offense.
The Sycamores should be in the NCAA field if there is any justice in the world, which would give Louisville fans an opportunity to check out Schertz’s product. A fan base that had nearly 50 successive years of Crum and Pitino might lust for a bigger name, but winning the news conference counts much less than winning games—and Louisville has won almost none over the past couple of seasons.
And most coaches were not big-name hires at the time they started new jobs. The nature of the profession is to work your way up. Consider who nearly became the Louisville coach in 2001, when the Cardinals landed Pitino.
At the last minute, Pitino was waffling and considered going to the Michigan Wolverines instead. Former Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich, one of the all-time greats when it came to hiring coaches, was faced with firing a Hall of Famer and whiffing on another Hall of Famer—and his backup plan was the coach with the Hofstra Pride.
That guy’s name? Jay Wright, who went to Villanova instead. He turned out O.K.

BASKETBALL Notes from the weekend...

I've said it in several different threads, and I'll say it again to start this post. I'm not going to nail the coaching hire this early. I'm not going to act like I know things that I don't.

But here is a summary of things I've been told over the last few days, and over the weekend, covering a variety of topics...

All of the items below are from sources I trust:

There was plenty of buzz that an announcement could come this weekend, and I was hearing that as early as Tuesday of this past week, but as we sit here on Sunday night, all signs point towards Kenny coaching in DC at the ACCT. With that being said, he will be out within the week.

This was a dis-functional coaching staff across the board. I was told the staff simply doesn't communicate, they don't talk, and most of the time they weren't included in practice scheduling plans. Just really bad all the way around. Nolan has been a polarizing figure since he arrived here. Do I think he has made some mistakes? Of course. Do I think Kenny did him any favors? No. The two haven't really been on the same page since the summer. Kenny hasn't let Nolan do any press conferences, and I think Nolan is going to try to disconnect from these two years as quickly as possible. Danny has really been the only assistant that talks to Kenny during games. Josh Jamieson, no comment.

I believe stories will start to come out as this comes to an end and people start to share their side of things, but what started as a sensitive situation turned into one that even the most blinded KP supporters couldn't defend behind the scenes. Heird was not happy with KP for a number of reasons, and those two didn't have a collaborative and healthy working relationship at all. After trying everything to support this staff and give suggestions, the administration got to a point where they stopped trying to protect Kenny.

As far as the last second recruiting attempt by Kenny: The Joson Sanon kid, as we saw, used Louisville as a side piece on his way to Lexington. The staff, other than Kenny, was very much in the dark on this visit, and people around the program didn't think the visit would be happening given the circumstances. Nonetheless, the kid shows up, and it became another embarrassing moment to go with a laundry list of others. With Karter Knox, after talking to someone very close to the recruitment, this was pretty cut and dry. The Knox family wanted the interest in Louisville to seem real in an effort to save KP's job.

Onto the upcoming coaching search, where again, I think information is spotty at best as of March 10. There are several people that I trust who think as of today, if Scott Drew was forced to make a decision, he'd come to Louisville. There are others in the industry who don't think it's happening. I'm not ready to weigh in personally, but wanted to share some additional context. As far as other candidates, the Billy Donovan rumblings weren't shot down by anyone in that camp. I haven't heard Mick Cronin's name come up from anybody in the know. And there are plenty of people around here who would know if it was happening. That's not to say he's not an option, but if he is, it's been kept very quiet by people close to the Cronin's. The other name I don't think people should rule out is FAU's Dusty May. Someone very connected on the grassroots level mentioned him to me earlier today. I do think a mid-major up-and-comer is a potential scenario. If one of these guys gets hot in March, and Louisville feels like they can save money on contracts, and load up on NIL funds, they may go that route. He lost today, and may not even get into the NCAAT, but Josh Schertz has been the name I've heard the most that would fit that desctiption.

Buckle up, folks.

What we need

I posted this in another thread but don’t want to derail it.

There’s an expectation from fans that it’s easy to win here. It’s thrown around with coaching hire discussions. This actually might be the biggest misconception in all of basketball coaching.

It’s actually not easier to win here; in fact, it’s a hell of a lot harder than say a place like Baylor as an example.

Here’s why. At Baylor, Drew is left alone and not bothered with mindless distractions on a weekly basis. He’s allowed to coach, and the expectations are manageable. He can go to dinner with his family and not be bothered. He doesn’t have to worry about his kids being teased and bullied at school if he loses a game. He doesn’t have hundreds of appearance requests and interviews he has to turn down regularly which creates a bad blood amongst those he says no to.

He’s coaching against weaker coaches and can actually be a coach. Which is easier and what he is. At a job like UL you have to be a a President/CEO of the program. Rick thrived in that environment because it’s who he is. Drew hasn’t experienced that.

Mick saw it first hand being an asst here. He knows what he’s getting into. Drew won’t. Certainly there’s better coaches than Mick, but when you look at realistic options, and managing the risk, he’s the safest pick that would be successful here. He’s led 3 different schools to success.

You take the outside factors out of the equation and you can just coach games; he’s good at that. Drew is a risk IMO.

Mike James

Mike James, "It's difficult, but I'm proud of all my teammates for showing up every day and making it through every day. . . . I think we did a good job of blocking out the noise. If you go on social media it's impossible not to see stuff."

On the future: "I'm not sure. Louisville is going to be my home. I love the fan base and community. They have taken me in like one of their own. . . . But I'm not sure. I'll leave it at that."

Curtis Williams

CURTIS WILLIAMS: "I feel like there were areas that I grew, but there are things I need to clean up this summer. Ball-handling, working on my body, cutting it up some more, being more consistent."

On future decision: "I haven't really thought about my future. Just trying to live day by day. We just took a tough loss. I'll just getOn Payne: "He's been in my head a lot. Me and him had our ups and downs. Some days it wasn't the best to talk to him. But he kept me level-headed."

BC Post Game Comments

PAYNE: “I've taken some heat for this. Last year — you know, and this is just me, so I know I it may not make sense to you. What I inherited was broken. More than I could ever tell. It was broken. It wasn't just basketball. It was broken beyond broken. OK, so when you walk into a situation like that you're not coaching basketball. You're coaching, ‘JJ Traynor, lift your head up, lift your head up, you're good basketball player.’ . . . Are we one or two players away? Probably. But I can’t worry about that. I have to do my job. I have to let the chips fall where they may. I’ve got to push these kids every day. And that’s the reality of it.”
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