I should have been clearer... I'm not playing moderator and telling you what you can or can't say. And I've never been an advocate of bans except in extreme circumstances. When I say you can't tell us how to think, I mean you can't assert your POV and expect U of L fans like me to just accept it. Hell, I don't treat fellow U of L fans with that courtesy. The validity of your POV is just as much subject for debate as the underlying issues, facts, whatever. And being an LPT fan doesn't necessarily make your analysis invalid although that's an easy excuse for LPT fans to use here. Come strong to the debate and you'll find out.
Data don't need "context", the least of which, yours A chart/graph is little more than a visual presentation of data. If you want to pose a counterargument, the best approach IMO is to present data that refute the original premise. Calling it "context" that is in reality just your opinion how the data I show are not representative or why you don't like it is not compelling. It only sounds to me like you don't like the image of your coach and/or program that the data suggest.
I love a good debate. But I esp. enjoy someone who knows how to debate. Not just an LPT whiner that 'zipp' is biased and resorting to his typical schtick. That's shooting the messenger or trying to.
"Elite program", my a$$...
I honestly have no idea who you are, have seen your posts from time to time on here or referenced elsewhere but it is immediately pretty clear where you stand related to U.K. And I can appreciate that as well. We are all fans here. Of course, I Do not have all those colorful monikers or pet nicknames for UL or its coaches/fans/AD's like you. So, there is that. But I digress.
Never whined about anything. I simply added context to debunk your premise. I accepted your "facts" without discussion and explained the context behind them.
You have not discounted one single item that I added to the conversation bc you cannot. You simply revert to the tried and true message board tactics of straw man and name calling. So, you keep telling anyone who explains away your facts that they are "lowering the bar" or "whining" or "dismissing data". What you are really doing is running from the argument/debate and hurling insults as you go. But I suppose it makes you feel better to act like it is beneath you or not valid. I gotcha. Makes sense.
It was never my intention to debate you personally. Matter of fact, I mentioned it was a waste of both our time. Much less your assertion that I am trying to instigate the famous "zipp".
I will say that I very much disagree that facts don't need context. They certainly do. Otherwise, people like yourself will continue to manipulate them to fit your agenda. It is all we see on the news for both sides of the political fence now. Each side chooses their argument based on "facts" that are manipulated. Unemployment data, Middle East data, Econonomic growth data/forecasts all fall prey to this same tactic. Not until you actually do your own research to debunk or validate them do you actually have any idea what those "facts" mean.
Just FTR, in above paragraph I use the word "you" in the royal sense. Not referring to you personally. Just anyone who wants to actually delve into finding the truth. And finding the truth certainly doesn't mean accepting agenda driven data on its face without context.
So, call me slappie, or LPT?, or whatever you like. Doesn't change the fact that you were so desperate for an argument against U.K./Cal that you resorted to distorting data to mislead. All bc you had no argument or leg to stand on related to your chosen team or coach's success related to UK/Cal. That is the most important "fact" of them all. And it is pretty established and clear to anyone who is looking.
