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And who was the idiot that allowed the big buyout?
In the end, Jurich had one choice as a venue--Bailout Arena. The only leverage was what he TRIED to create with the silo site. That was eventually his undoing. With clowns at the ready, he had no leverage.
And he had no leverage with Pitino. Both U of L and the NCAA had cleared Pitino of all wrongdoing.
Those were your examples...
Show me that analysis in 2016 when Petrino's last contract was signed.
It didn't exist...
Actually the NCAA charged Pitino with failure to monitor. That’s why he was going to be suspended the first five ACC games.
And that gave Jurich cover to fire Pitino with cause while U of L was defending him? Interested to hear how that would have worked...
“Clowns were at the ready”? What on earth does that mean? Those guys weren’t in place at the time. The arena folks needed UofL a lot more than UofL needed them.
Lol - given that they’re your words, I couldn’t agree more. This thread of yours is a perfect microcosm of your efforts on this board.
The “data” shows you’ve got triple the amount of posts as anyone else and yet you’re still getting worked like a speed bag.
There was plenty that Jurich could’ve done. All along I suggested that at a minimum TJ should’ve reworked Pitino’s contract to provide further language to protect the university.
I am concerned that you didn’t think Pitino was sanctioned by the NCAA.
You think the ouster of Jurich was more of an event than a process? Think again...
Three times the likes as well, but that doesn't suit your narrative.Lol - given that they’re your words, I couldn’t agree more. This thread of yours is a perfect microcosm of your efforts on this board.
The “data” shows you’ve got triple the amount of posts as anyone else and yet you’re still getting worked like a speed bag.
You're "working me over"?
You're a joke who goes up and introduces himself to strangers...
Pitino's contract extension did have amended fire-with-cause language. How would additional U of L action toward Pitino have squared with U of L defending him in the appeal?
I'm concerned you don't understand that inconsistency and what was in his contract...
You guy's may want to cut Zipp some slack if he seems extra surly this week. He had a rough end of last week and lost in court again. Seems a resident of the harbours where Zipp lives replied to an email Zipp started and included 20 other residents on and disagreed with him. So he gets the guy charged with.... (and here is the funny part) "Using an electronic device to harass him." The guy was represented by Jeffersonville's own and U of L chatroom favorite, Larry Wilder. Jury read all the emails, heard the testimony and cross examination of Zipp. Then deliberated 10 minutes before returning a not guilty verdict.
Not to mention The Cards are on an 8 game winning streak and are now in the top 25 rankings. Making it look like our new A.D. made a great hire.
Not to mention The Cards are on an 8 game winning streak and are now in the top 25 rankings. Making it look like our new A.D. made a great hire.
I don’t think UofL protecting its interests with the NCAA in the short-term while also layering on protection in its coach’s contract in the longer term would’ve been viewed as inconsistent. This is especially true when you consider that then litmus test had changed as far as a coach being culpable for actions of their staff. Furthermore, that fact that Pitino WAS sanctioned by the NCAA would’ve been a great time to trigger additional protections.
Gee "zipp" I thought you were a "data point" guy??Three times the likes as well, but that doesn't suit your narrative.
You're "working me over"?
1. My reply said that you had three times as many posts on this thread as anyone however with 100+ posts on this thread alone - you have 10+ times as many posts as anyone else. And ZERO likes. You're lucky that there is no longer the "dislike" button - you'd have far more than 41K of those.
2. And since you raised the subject of "likes" - your total of 8955 is unimpressive when stacked against the 41K+ total. For "data" guys, that's 21.8% - hardly anything to brag about. And as "bagging likes" isn't anything to brag about - you rarely hear anyone else do so but for comparison's sake - let's compare our two accounts. I have 3604 likes on 3575 posts - which is 80% more than your 21%. I'll let you extrapolate that "data point" to the total "likes" if I were to ever reach 41K posts.
3. I didn't say that I was "working you over" - I said the ENTIRE board was. One only has to read the thread in its entirety for proof of that statement.
Once again you bring up meeting me - it's so cute that I've had such a profound effect on you. It's telling that meeting someone new - an event considered mundane by the majority of children and adults alike - would be so indelibly imprinted on your brain. It must be difficult to be someone who craves attention so badly that he is willing to publicly dress like a buffoon but, is so obviously uncomfortable when that attention arrives. The combination of lack of self worth and inadequacy that you feel must be crushing.
The key is the timeline. There is much we don’t know about the process, and who knows when they planned this? But they were not in position to act when decisions were being made regarding the arena. It all came together nicely for them when it happened, but that was several years later. We were at FH, Jurich had Pitino talking about “that’s where the All-Americans played”, there was talk of an on-campus arena, talk of the water company site, etc. the arena people needed UofL a lot more than UofL needed them. The original deal reflected that reality.
The ouster of Jurich was indeed a process and not an event but, not something that was inevitable. The only inevitability was that grissom was going to get rid of pitino by whatever means necessary. It just so happens that pitino's assistants (and perhaps pitino himself) provided him all of the the public reasons that were needed for his ouster. TJ could have remained as the AD had he taken a step back, evaluated what was happening and reacted accordingly.
The combination of his unwillingness to terminate pitino early on and his belief that the power he had gained through all of his efforts and accomplishments would insulate him from getting caught up in the whole sordid mess were what did TJ in. In the end, he judged the situation poorly.
It doesn't matter what you think. What matters is what U of L's lawyers think. No lawyer I've ever met tells you that something like that is irrelevant, at least at the same point in time. Wait to change Pitino's contract.
Of course, there's the possibility that the clowns didn't care if they won the appeal...
I'm still holding out hope that you'll someday learn how to debate without hypotheticals.
No doubt you're accounting for the fact that the 'like' feature wasn't added to the forum until my post count was 20-30K. More info that doesn't fit your agenda...
So, you're once again watching others walk by you.
Speaking of which, I have to remind myself we have a few psychos posting here...
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LOL - "hypotheticals"? 99% of your posts since TJ was fired have been riddled with them as you hypothesize how TJ would have handled situations if he were still the AD.
Your lack of self-awareness is comical.
All of our trajectories were upward while Jurich was at the helm.
Show me the hypotheticals in that. You don't understand the word...
hypothetical
adjective
hy·po·thet·i·cal | \ ˌhī-pə-ˈthe-ti-kəl \
Definition of hypothetical : involving or being based on a suggested idea or theory : being or involving a hypothesis : CONJECTURAL
By definition, any comment (the likes of which you have made dozens) on what Jurich would have done or, how he would have handled situations that arose after his termination, are COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL.
Even as intellectually dishonest as you are, there is simply no rational (uh-oh, there's your opening - lol) way to spin your way out of this simple truth.
You are better off continuing to complain about unflattering threads (such as the one questioning whether you are a troll) until they are deleted, than continuing to showcase your ignorance of the English language.
Damn Zipp, ONLY BECAUSE TJ gave him that contract when he didn't need to and VT had no choice but to get rid of the guy. That is indisputable to anyone with eyes or ears. It was a disaster and only going to get worse! There was only one way out, actually pay him the contract that TJ gave him. That is not VTs fault that the payout was 15% of budget, that was on TJ. And don't even try to regurgitate that stupid argument that TJ would have avoided that if he was there. Result would have been the same unless he decided to keep Petrino. If he did that the payout wasn't going down for two more years so to avoid it he'd have to keep him two more years which would have been a disaster for the program!
It - and the approximate dozen responses - was deleted yesterday at some point.
Smithereen, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Because...he is...an idiot...
You still don't understand simply because you can cite a definition. My approach is best defined as extrapolation...
to infer (an unknown) from something that is known...
The "inference" does not make it a hypothetical. Why would you expect Jurich to NOT fall into a $14 million hole? Because he never did it before.
And when your comprehension falls short, you call it "spin". Typical...
You're simply covering for the inadequacies of the new regime.
They can't get themselves out of problems except to incur significant costs. THEY are in charge--not you, me, or the old regime.
People now in control are the ones accountable. Blurring that responsibility or claiming they have no options is dodging that fundamental issue...
So Jurich gave the $14 million buyout with no intention of ever paying it if things went south? Brilliant.
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Having “never did it before” is not a known. Neither is Vince NQ for that matter. The hole is at least partially of Jurich’s own making. It’s his name on the contract, as well as Bobby’s. Fortunately, to his credit, Jurich also gave us the financial strength to withstand these expenses.
I believe that TJ would have canned Bobby for the same reasons Vince NQ did. Why? Because he HAD done it before:
Exhibit A: Denny
Exhibit B: Cooper
Exhibit C: Kragthorpe
I believe TJ would have honored the contract he and Bobby signed. Why? Because he HAD done it before. Every time, with every coach.
I conclude that Vince NQ just did what TJ would have done. QED
You "forgot" to include the bit about extrapolation being nothing more than a hypothesis or an educated guess. As every taco college data professor should know, extrapolations (and interpolation as well) are made by taking facts and observations about a present or known situation and using them to make a prediction about what might eventually happen and or, using those facts to estimate hypothetical values for those variables based on other observations.
Extrapolation (particularly your attempts) makes the assumption (without basis) that the observed trend would continue - which is often not be the case. I.e. - that TJ might or would have handled a situation in a certain way based on ways that he had handled previous situations. Given that external factors are always changing there is no way to know for certain - leaving only hypothesis.
Honestly, I'm not sure why you would take more comfort in believing that your agenda is extrapolation rather than hypothetical - particularly as it equates to the same level of bullshit however you attempt to define it.
Lol - "inference".
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