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Welcome .....the new SEC west

I wasn't making the argument that the SEC is the best football conference in college football. I was just saying that Texas nor any other football program is going to walk into that conference and dominate. And you say that it's just Alabama & Georgia that's been winning the championships. During this 18 year run, Auburn, Florida & LSU have also won national championships with Florida & LSU winning 2 each.
My point as a UK or Louisville fan who cares if the SEC/ACC has had more championships. I don’t care how strong the ACC is or isn’t my only concern is can Louisville win the ACC. The SEC has historically sucked in basketball does that diminish what UK have done in basketball? No, they had great teams when they won it all.

The conference talk is only used to prop up or tear down a team. The only reason you care is because you need to try explain why UK is good or bad. The truth is you don’t need it to prove either. They suck in football and are a blue blood in basketball.

Texas depends how you define dominate but I agree there are too many elite programs with NIL capital for any team to dominate like Alabama and Georgia have done the last 10 years. However they will be at the top of the league from now on.

Welcome .....the new SEC west

I was in school when Ok-Neb and Ok-Tx was must see FB. (1970’s)

OU claimed the 73 title and won it in 74 and 75. This was when the had players like Billy Sims and the Selman brothers.

Nebraska was ALWAYS in the hunt from 1970-2001 winning the NC in 70, 71, 94, 95 and 97

Texas had their name in the hat most years making the above list games “must see”.

I remember watching USC and John McKay “integrate” the sec in 1970, helping it become what it is today.

A lot of change and ups and downs for a lot of teams over the years. The sec hasn’t always been top dog. Up until the early 2000’s, when bowl games really meant something to players, the sec only had a 54% winning percentage. Hardly dominating. (In fairness the acc was 48%)

But through it all, over all these years, the one constant, the one never changing fact of football, the one thing you could count on, regardless what conference was “tops”
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uk has sucked 98% of the time. 👍🤷🏻‍♂️🏈

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. I am not sure why they will not drop prices for the upper levels seats.
The price issue is SQUARELY on the University. Most of the upper not even online for sale, yet "face value" on TM is still $70+ for crowds of only 12,000. They'd rather not pay additional help to cover additional fans that attend at lower ticket prices. It's all $$$ today, not hardly a thought of longterm program growth.
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The issue is not whether the team is good enough to generate fans wanting to get back to going to basketball games. It is greediness of the fans who have season tickets that want to take advantage of the uptick in the program. Even before Covid, I could usually find a lower level court seat in the neighborhood of S25 - 45. Now even against teams outside of the Duke's, UNC's, people are asking $75 and up for a seat. Sorry, I'll just watch on TV instead of $150 for 2 tickets against BC or VT.
Agreed. The university really needs to reduce prices for the upper levels. Been saying this for several years. Get butts in seats at a cheaper costs. Build the fanbase back up. More fans, more excitement and more concessions. It is a win-win. I am not sure why they will not drop prices for the upper levels seats.

Welcome .....the new SEC west

I despised Ohio St and Michigan as much as some as the SEC teams.
You can kind of tell a person's age by when they grew up watching football.

If you started getting heavy into College Football around the Petrino era and after, especially the Charlie era, then you remember SEC SEC SEC winning all the time. But if you started before that, you remember the Big Ten bias. People don't remember 2004 Auburn being undefeated out of the SEC and not making the BCS title game. People forget the time when OHio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame had all the bias. Nebraska was a powerhouse. Florida State and Miami was the biggest game of the year and the modern ACC was build on that game. The SEC star was Steve Spurrier. Then the USC, OU, and Texas years of the early 2000s.

The SEC never really had that one program that was a major draw. Like you know what I mean, a program that when they're rocking everyone is paying attention. Programs like Ohio State, USC, Texas, Michigan, & Notre Dame. The SEC programs like Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee are all really good. The draw is that there are a bunch of really good programs and talent that makes it interesting. The league itself was the sell. Nick Saban making Bama that team every single year helped them keep that brand dominance during the years were they weren't as strong.

Remember the 2006-2007 coaching cycles? Rich Rod turned down Alabama but took Michigan. Les Miles had a national title team at LSU, but was heavily considering leaving for Michigan. Crazy to think that in this day and age, but that mindset changed ever so quickly

Right before Florida won the 2006 title, Ohio State and Michigan both played at #1 and #2. It was the defacto national title game and the clear best two teams. Florida beat OSU down in the title game. I mean the I remember the Iron Bowl just being another rivalry game and not a must watch game before Saban.
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The issue is not whether the team is good enough to generate fans wanting to get back to going to basketball games. It is greediness of the fans who have season tickets that want to take advantage of the uptick in the program. Even before Covid, I could usually find a lower level court seat in the neighborhood of S25 - 45. Now even against teams outside of the Duke's, UNC's, people are asking $75 and up for a seat. Sorry, I'll just watch on TV instead of $150 for 2 tickets against BC or VT.

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.... Very soon 16-18K in the Yum will be the floor for attendance.
Dont get over YOUR ski's either with that hyperbole/wish/hope. It's been over 10 years since that has been the case....before 2013!

Year: Avg per Game/ Total
2023-24: 6,342/88,790
2022-23: 6,849/116,431
2021-22: 7,567/121,065
2020-21: COVID 1,850/18,497
2019-20: 12,842/231,158
2018-19: 13,120/236,163
2017-18: 11,965/227,326
2016-17: 14,779/251,242
2015-16: 13,997/265,940
2014-15: 15,726/298,787
2013-14: 15,513/279,227
2012-13: 17,006/255,091

Louisville vs Wake Forest

"Istan and Juffer" are a big downgrade for Louisville basketball as front court players. I don't think they will be here after the season.

Walz has to use the portal for what he can't get with HS recruits and that's talented and athletic front court players. If he doesn't, he will not see the final 4 again.

The portal has changed the women's game too. Coach Walz can't afford a drought like McDonnell has with the baseball program. If Louisville hoops is going to stay elite, Walz has to find ways to sign top front court talent.
Many times post players need more time. Everyone coming in can’t make an instant All-Acc impact. Maybe we need to let them get to their Jr seasons before giving up on them. When did Engstler really blossom? How about C Walton? Shook took a while to really contribute as well. You just can’t go into the portal and pluck top-teir post players. They really cost - how much are contributing to the WBB NIL tund? Not really wanting an answer - point is, even the WBM market is expensive. Guarantee uk’s height cost a pretty penny. UofL doesn’t have the $$ to spend on a top-3 post player.

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Anyone thinking this squad won’t suffer some losses is nuts. And that is the problem. The extreme ‘fans’ who lose their minds over a loss and immediately find 10 things to bitch about - players not good enough, system is bad, coach can’t handle the acc, Yum is too big, Heird is not good enough, etc. Anyone denying the program is in such a great place in comparison to the last 4 years is crazy. The energy is back, pride is back, effort is back. Very soon 16-18K in the Yum will be the floor for attendance.
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