So nc, let's get this straight... Did 159 passing yards today--139 by Bolin--against the nation's 94th rated passing defense (253 ypg) "excite" you?
I was kinda nonplussed...
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I was kinda nonplussed...
Yep! We won. Petrino is 33-3 when we rush for over 200 yards. The running game was non-existent with LJ except for LJ and as good as he is it is hard for him to rush for over 200 yards himself. Radcliff is a different guy with Bolin under center.
Let's face it, Bolin is a limited QB who gives you everything he's got. I personally believe that Lamar Jackson is going to be an outstanding QB next year but Today's win was a team victory.
Virginia played every down like it was a playoff game for their coach and their season. This was not going to be an easy win but we got it.
6-4 Go Cards!
Virginia played every down like it was a playoff game for their coach and their season. This was not going to be an easy win but we got it.
6-4 Go Cards!
Winning by seven points against the 81st rated (RPI) team in the country doesn't necessarily mean everyone played well.
Odd you mention rushing... Do you know what the two longest runs from scrimmage were today? Petrino calls them "chunk plays". Do you know who was playing QB and who wasn't? And do you know where the Cuse and UVA rushing defenses rank nationally?...
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I have never contended Bolin vs Jackson or even Bonnafon. They are totally different QBs with different skill sets. I have been in favor of Bolin this year because the other facets of the offense seem to do better i.e. line blocking, running game, tight ends involved, even LJ and Bonnafon too. You can't say the reverse was going to happen.
And let's not forget UVA has some talent even if it goes largely uncoached...
You mean that same Cuse team that #2 Clemson struggled with? By the way did you see LJ almost fumble the handoff to Radcliff on his touchdown run?
They definitely do and I'll guarantee Coach Petrino knows that too. Big win but it gets tougher next Saturday.
Future is looking brighter every week.
I doubt Clemson fans are crowing about their performance today. Tell me you're not gonna start playing the score comparison game?
And are we now tracking "almost" stats like an "almost fumble"? Were you one of the guys critical of looking at last week's defensive and special teams plays as scores credited to them? "Almost scores"?? Logic can't work both ways...
And are we now tracking "almost" stats like an "almost fumble"? Were you one of the guys critical of looking at last week's defensive and special teams plays as scores credited to them? "Almost scores"?? Logic can't work both ways...
True dat. Two rushing plays for 80 yards in the read option tells me they may have had more problems defending that offense...
I appreciate the effort that all of our kids give each week but as I have stated before I do not understand rooting for one player against another on the same team. Zipp, I applaud your effort in trying to enlighten our fans on things they obviously want to overlook.
Jackson was our best option early because of poor line play and 2 or 3 of our best receivers injured. The kid was the most important player in keeping us afloat until the other pieces started coming together. Personally I don't think we have a winning record if anyone else but Lamar had been our QB most of the season.
I'm not saying he should be starting right now because I trust Bobby to make those decisions but anyone trying to belittle Lamar's value to this team, at the expense of supporting Bolin as the starter, is very short-sighted in my opinion. I support all of our kids as a true fan does and hope everyone else does too.
To be honest, I think we saw the ceiling on Kyle's skillset today and that isn't a bad thing. He makes good decisions and is a great competitor but he has limited arm strength and running ability.
No matter how it plays out let's stop the controversy. If you prefer one kid over another then okay but don't put the other kid down. We all root for the same team.
Again for the umteen time, I am not advocating Bolin over anybody. My discussions have been that the offense has been better with Bolin under center. It is zipp that continues to harp on other reasons, weaker opponents, two big plays being the only reason we won and so on. Look back every time there is something positive posted about Bolin it is zipp to explain that there is another reason besides Bolin getting it done.
PS why don't we ask Radcliff and Hikutini if they like the offense we have been running...
Coach Petrino post game:
(On Kyle Bolin) “He is a great competitor, he is a great leader and I thinks leadership has really helped us. He is tough. He has been in there and thrown the ball and made some good decisions in the first half. Obviously, we can't turn the ball over. Their pass rush does probably better in the second half. That was a concern. We just tried not to turn the ball over..."
Through your set of eyes.
And your premise is wrong IMO. The offense overall has been better largely because the defenses have been weaker. It happens that Bolin has been the QB in those games. But that's not necessarily cause-and-effect.
It's not my fault that you don't understand that...
I'm good with that as long as you ask them if the defensive fronts in the last couple of games are as good as Clemson's and BC's. And assuming of course they provide honest answers...
If Petrino's gonna keep starting him and giving him more snaps, he has to justify it. Yesterday's numbers on their own merits do not...
Produce a Petrino statement after yesterdays game that supports your myopic and incredibly offbase view. I doubt Petrino consults with fans on the internet who never played a sport. I thought you didn't believe in ever questioning CBP? So what are you gonna do if he keeps starting Kyle? Become a UK fan?
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Zipp,
You blamed LJ miscues on the Oline. Why not the same courtesy for Bolin. You just hate to be wrong. Unfortunately you have been that a lot lately.
You blamed LJ miscues on the Oline. Why not the same courtesy for Bolin. You just hate to be wrong. Unfortunately you have been that a lot lately.
Uhh, I think you need to find me a reference where I "blamed" any particular QB's miscues on O-line play. I have certainly said that QB miscues generally can be attributed to the O-line.
Which QB received that benefit of the doubt would have depended on who was in the game when I made the statement. And I very likely speculated as have others that such miscues could be less likely with a more mobile QB who could potentially run himself out of harm's way.
I end up coming down on Bolin IN RESPONSE TO hardcore fans of his who IMO unjustifiably build him up. We won Saturday in less-than-impressive fashion. And while Bolin didn't have a great game, IMO the defense was more accountable for how close the game was.
One of the QBs has to man the position. It was someone besides me who opined that Bolin is more low risk-low reward than Jackson. I would agree with that. And since we don't have anymore Clemsons or FSUs on the schedule, we don't need a high reward QB in the game. Bolin can probably get us wins the next two games, and I guess we wait to see how good a team we will face in the bowl game...
We aren't winning either of the next games without competent QB play, IMO. Especially the PITT game. They have won enough games this season to garner full attention - we are going to be an underdog in that game. So I am not so sure Petrino is looking at the QB position and thinking it's ok to just go for par and not birdies. I think he's hoping for a strong performance whoever he plays at the position.
The defense really let us down for significant portions of the UVA game. Maybe it was a lack of motivation, looking @ an opponent with a losing record. I am willing to give the unit a pass there but if we give up 31 to PITT we're probably losing.
The defense really let us down for significant portions of the UVA game. Maybe it was a lack of motivation, looking @ an opponent with a losing record. I am willing to give the unit a pass there but if we give up 31 to PITT we're probably losing.
If you've handicapped the Pitt game correctly, then we need all hands on deck. The same play we saw yesterday from the QB position on Saturday won't be enough. Either Bolin improves his game, or Jackson needs to get more snaps...
BTW, I'll distinguish between Pitt and LPT here. Either Bolin or Jackson can get most of the work against LPT, and we'll still win. And I'm not even sure it takes a great game by either guy.
We're not a great team, but they're a slow motion trainwreck
The only reason I don't have complete faith in UofL is due to the self destruction that we seem to put on ourselves. We can chalk it up to competition, youth, or whatever else makes us feel better about it - and those explanations have merit. But the bottom line is we are mistake prone, in all units. If we play a sloppy game, we can lose to anyone. I know this can be said for most any team, certainly any near break even team, but it really feels applicable to this team this year. Effort is there, but execution hasn't always been.
If you examine PITT's schedule you will find 3 losses.
27-24 @ undefeated Iowa
26-19 vs one loss UNC
42-30 vs one loss ND
This is a quality opponent.
Very similar to us. No great wins, no bad losses. Most wins have been close games.
Nothing inexplicable about it at all - except to you and your narrative. Guess Petrino determined that running his regular offense was better.
So you can't and you change the subject. Typical. Well, I've never trashed any of our players. You come on here and trash our players just to make yourself feel better over what a fool you make out of yourself on a regular basis. If I were you, I would give up talking about a sport you never played, couldn't have hoped to have played, and have no clue about. Find a nerd board board where you win by posting the most laughable stats.the axiom stats are for losers comes to mind.
What do you expect from somebody who never played a sport in his life?
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Which is why it was a great call,going to that set with LJ.More problems defending it,but maybe because they prepared for it very little.
Who's to say he won't improve or that Jackson won't get more snaps.It's about winning the game.If one doesn't work,the other option(no pun) is there.
So we need football playing experience to post on football? At the risk of being called a "nerd" again, can I respectfully ask what your math credentials are before I hear your arguments about stats? Or is it you can't be held to the same standards you try to hold other posters?
The descriptor "piece of work" comes to mind...
I don't understand piling on Zipp..not defending him here, he's plenty capable.
He countered those who wanted Bolin with an argument that the QB wasn't the problem, as it seems all three that have played are very comparably (statistically) to each other...no surprise here as CPB said this during the preseason.
I understand some prefer (CBP has even stated his affinity for) the pro set, which Bolin is better suited for.
So the argument here is, which offensive scheme gives us a better chance at winning. I don't know...I know I like the look and feel of the pro set offense (KB) vs. the read option (LJ) vs. some hybrid (RB)...but which one is going to give us the best chance at winning? Even CBP is scratching his head on this question.
Until LJ and RB got hurt, it was evident what he thought...now that KB is in command and winning, why change back?
Well, the answer is...you change back when you need to...all options are on the table.
This whole QB bashing is not even a thing, nobody is bashing anybody...and Zipp is only defending the pre injury CBP position that the read option was the best chance at winning. So now, can we debate the real question here as opposed to bashing? Prob not, as this isn't nearly as entertaining...additionally it's hard to debate when we lack information (such as injury status, game film breakdown, scouting reports, etc.)
sigh...let the bashing continue...
He countered those who wanted Bolin with an argument that the QB wasn't the problem, as it seems all three that have played are very comparably (statistically) to each other...no surprise here as CPB said this during the preseason.
I understand some prefer (CBP has even stated his affinity for) the pro set, which Bolin is better suited for.
So the argument here is, which offensive scheme gives us a better chance at winning. I don't know...I know I like the look and feel of the pro set offense (KB) vs. the read option (LJ) vs. some hybrid (RB)...but which one is going to give us the best chance at winning? Even CBP is scratching his head on this question.
Until LJ and RB got hurt, it was evident what he thought...now that KB is in command and winning, why change back?
Well, the answer is...you change back when you need to...all options are on the table.
This whole QB bashing is not even a thing, nobody is bashing anybody...and Zipp is only defending the pre injury CBP position that the read option was the best chance at winning. So now, can we debate the real question here as opposed to bashing? Prob not, as this isn't nearly as entertaining...additionally it's hard to debate when we lack information (such as injury status, game film breakdown, scouting reports, etc.)
sigh...let the bashing continue...
I am not advocating bashing, I am encouraging support. I for one would like to see or read some positive analysis from Zipp on Bolin? There has to be some right. It can't all be the stars lining up at the right time or some such statistic, please share?
I don't see a whole lot of QB bashing from anyone other than Zipp telling us why Bolin shouldn't get any reps. I for one, am not as concerned with who plays QB as much as the system in which they play. Without going into chapter and verse, I believe that BP's power spread is the better system overall and if LJ was the guy (or RB or WG) was the best to run that, then let them run it. It just so happens that at this point in time, Bolin is the best that we have for those sets.
It is clear from the play calling when LJ is in there, that BP doesn't feel the power spread is the best offense for him for a variety of reasons. It is also abundantly clear that BP feels that on the whole, the read option / pistol set is not the most effective for him as a play caller or, for the team in general.
The piling on of Zipp comes from his incessant need to be right and the lengths that he will go to in order to prop up his opinion. He has spent the better part of numerous threads trying to let those of us with a different opinion know how uninformed we are, even the last two weeks in the face of Petrino himself essentially confirming our premise. Combine that with tepid support of the past two wins and potshots at Bolin's family, and I'd say the piling on of Zipp has been self-inflicted.
The minute that he's done with that kind of crap and, trying to be the smartest guy in the room, my guess is the piling on will cease.
Well ... in this thread, zipp pointed out that Bolin's QB rating has maintained itself in a solid 143-147 range.
Bottom line is this ... Bolin is a gutty kid, who has done some very nice things, as well as some not so nice things. His physical limitations aren't gigantic, but when compared to the physical gifts of Lamar Jackson, it becomes more stark. Bolin has been in Bobby's system a year and a half longer than Lamar. So he should be making calls at the line better. And he does. And in my opinion, this is why the battle is even close. Both Bolin and Lamar have fumbled the ball on snaps/handoffs. Both Bolin and Lamar have thrown bad INT's. Both Bolin and Lamar have led nice long, sustained drives. Both Bolin and Lamar have won games, and lost games.
You take the arm strength Lamar has, combined with his running ability, and it's hard to not get excited about the future. All Lamar needs is experience, and he'll become one of the best QB's in the college game.
For the record, 'zipp' is not "QB bashing". But compared to a few of the hardcore Bolin fans, any effort to analyze objectively is for sure seen as "Bolin bashing".
Bolin is a good serviceable QB. As I've said before, I have nothing against the kid. I have a lot against some of his supporters.
Bolin is a good serviceable QB. As I've said before, I have nothing against the kid. I have a lot against some of his supporters.
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