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Does the ACC profit from Notre Dame football

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Pervis_Griffith said:
" ... that some fans think we get extra credit or recognition that ND plays us and ACC opponents ... " - Newsflash, WE DO.

" ... but they are also smiling and giving us the middle finger by not "joining" as an actual member." -- so what? You think UNC, or UVA, or Duke really want U of L in their conference?? Hell no they don't. So why should we care if ND does that?

Does ND deserve their special treatment by all of college football? That's a debate that has raged for the past 20-30 years. And it will continue to be debated.

But BECAUSE they have this special place in college football, we DO get extra credit for beating them. That's just a fact.



I'm rooting for ND over Ohio State because Ohio State fans are numerous, and insufferable.



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Well said Pervis! There will always be some anti-ND folks who refuse to give credit where credit is due, but in truth there is no other college football program in America that could stand independent, and still compete for a NC like ND.
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I see us going 9 and 5 the rest of the way. I just hope we don't have any bad losses if we are a bubble team.

Agree with "TheRealVille" on the development / improved play of Scott, Traore, and Rooths. All 3 should only dunk the ball. No other shots. Also, hoping Waterman's thumb continues to heal. Would like to see him rest it if we don't need him for a win.

I wonder how many teams have a players who have scored at least 26 points in a game this year. I believe we have 4.

It's been fun thus far but hoping for excitement in March!
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Does the ACC profit from Notre Dame football

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Here is another way to look at it if Notre Dame joined the conference the ACC wouldn’t collapse and it would put the ACC right behind the SEC and Big Ten. They are the one brand that moves the needle for basically whomever they partner with.

If the other brands ever stop playing Notre Dame, Big Ten and SEC teams, they may consider joining the ACC if they keep all their TV money-no revenue sharing with them. It would be the one thing that may force them to at least play a conference schedule. They have said they want to play a national schedule. Even with USC and Texas A&M their schedule was blah. Take those away their schedule looks like a P5 schedule. It won’t happen but that may be the only way they semi join a conference.

Keep in mind they are taking SEC and Big 10 spots away in the playoff. Cut them off force them into ACC or Big Ten.
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Rather have Ohio State

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beantowncard said:
They’re good academically. I would stop short of “elite”.
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In terms of P4 football I think they are pretty high on the list. Bottom line a player can get paid and take advantage of the ND education/alumni network that is pretty hard to beat. Dawson going to ND makes a ton of sense to me.

There just aren’t many schools in the country that have that kind of package.
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beantowncard said:
If we hit a cold-shooting stretch, we could lose more. Right now we are playing very well. I just wish CPK had a little longer bench. I think we sneak in to the tournament and win one game.
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We're already a cold shooting team and we're winning anyway. If it takes sneeking into the tournament that means the Cards will lose 6 or more games against that schedule.

I just don't see it. ACC teams that are usually good like Virginia, NC State, Virginia Tech, Miami, and Syracuse are all very bad and could all end up with losing records.

If the Cards continue to play at least as good as they have been so far, they're not sneeking into anything. But I think they're only going to improve as Scott, Troure and Rooths improve.
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TheRealVille
Louis III said:
I don't disagree, we simply aren't going to jump 20+ spots.
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Why not? It's not unprecedented in AP poll history. It doesn't or shouldn't matter to voters where the teams were ranked the week before.

Had the Cards beaten Duke and Clemson instead of Pitt and Clemson, would you still think they wouldn't be ranked? What if it were Duke and UK?

Is there no scenario that Louisville would jump 20 spots after winning two games last week? Do you think UK or Duke or Kansas couldn't pull that off? It's not unprecedented for a team to go from not receiving votes to being ranked a week later. I don't remember the actual teams but I remember the stories about it happening.

Voters could think they had underestimated the Cardinals and now believe they're a top 25 team.

What I believe is It's still the stink of the past two seasons that some voters still consider when they shouldn't. How can any knowledgeable college basketball voter not think Louisville is a top 25 team with the results so far?
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Does the ACC profit from Notre Dame football

Pervis_Griffith
nccardfan said:
My only point that I was trying to make is that some fans think we get extra credit or recognition that ND plays us and ACC opponents but they are also smiling and giving us the middle finger by not "joining" as an actual member. They have always acted as better than anybody out there by being an independent. For those who want to say but we only lost by 7 to ND, its almost nearly as bad as UK saying they are a football powerhouse because they're SEC, SEC, SEC. They're hanging on the coattails of the Alabama's, Georgia's, LSU's and soon to be Texas and Oklahoma except those teams are actually SEC members. I hate both Ohio St and ND, but if it had to come down to it, I would pick the Buckeyes over the priviledged green and gold.
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" ... that some fans think we get extra credit or recognition that ND plays us and ACC opponents ... " - Newsflash, WE DO.

" ... but they are also smiling and giving us the middle finger by not "joining" as an actual member." -- so what? You think UNC, or UVA, or Duke really want U of L in their conference?? Hell no they don't. So why should we care if ND does that?

Does ND deserve their special treatment by all of college football? That's a debate that has raged for the past 20-30 years. And it will continue to be debated.

But BECAUSE they have this special place in college football, we DO get extra credit for beating them. That's just a fact.



I'm rooting for ND over Ohio State because Ohio State fans are numerous, and insufferable.



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TheRealVille said:
What was effective for ND was Georgia having to start the "greenest" of QB's and it was pretty effective for the Penn State cornerback falling down and leaving open the receiver he was defending all alone for the tying touchdown.

OSU smoked both IU and Penn State this season and didn't need good luck and favorable flags to do it. ND should lose this game by double digits. But, as we all know, the better team doesn't always win.
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OSU beat PSU by 7 points. Both OSU and Notre Dame dominated IU.
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TheRealVille said:
Okay boys and girls, I'm here to tell you all by March Louisville should not only be a tournament team, but a high seeded team.

So far, through six conferences games, the Cards have already played four of the top teams in the conference, winning three of them. The remaining 14 conference games are not so daunting a task to win.

Tell me how many of these games would the Cards be the underdog and where do you see a likely defeat?

@ Cuse 8-8
Virginia 8-8
@ SMU 12-4
Wake Forest 12-4
@ Georgia Tech 8-9
@ BC 9-7
Miami 4-12
@ NC State 9-7
@ ND 7-9
FSU 11-5
@ Virginia Tech 7-9
Pitt 12-4
California 8-8
Standard 11-5

So there you have it. How many wins will Louisville end up with? Playing like they are and no more serious injuries, I forsee something like 23 and 8.

The three losses to SMU, NC State and Pitt. If there's a 4th loss I would see it being Wake or ND.

So 22 or 23 wins would mean no bubble and probably a #5 or #6 seed.

Then there's the conference tournament which I believe is something Kelsey would thrive in. A run to the title game with Duke could move the Cards up to a #4 seed.

This Louisville team has proven to me even limited with injuries, that they are a very good team and due to a historic bad ACC conference, will take full advantage. Coach Kelsey will be ACC coach of the year and a candidate for national coach of the year.
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20 wins plus a run to ACC title game and a 6 seed in Tourney seems possible to me.
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