UofL receives NCAA's verbal Notice of Inquiry

[Steelers2012]

Per Jeff Greer

The NCAA gave the University of Louisville a "verbal notice of inquiry,” signaling the start of an infractions investigation into the school in NCAA’s response to the FBI's wide-ranging college basketball corruption case.

Louisville’s situation is complicated, perhaps the most complex of those in the FBI case. Fired 2 coaches allegedly involved, along w/Rick Pitino+AD Tom Jurich. Brian Bowen never played. But alleged wrongdoing occurred after Louisville was on probation for prior infractions case.

 

[Cue Card]

Wish they would just leave the University alone. Everything that could be done to change the culture has been done. It's time to just let this go.

 

[Thecycle27]

I guess the NCAA has to do this, but what else is a University supposed to do other than fire the people the were responsible.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Fans may have felt miserable for a few years but I don't think the NCAA is satisfied. Cards are the poster child for all of this in their eyes.

I suspect a hammer heading this way. There's really know other way to look at it.

If they avoid massive punishment that would be a major win.

 

[shadow force]

Fans may have felt miserable for a few years but I don't think the NCAA is satisfied. Cards are the poster child for all of this in their eyes.

I suspect a hammer heading this way. There's really know other way to look at it.

If they avoid massive punishment that would be a major win.

Agreed. I, unfortunately, expect the worst in this situation. What exactly that means, I guess we'll see but when has the NCAA ever given UofL reason to hope for the best?

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Agreed. I, unfortunately, expect the worst in this situation. What exactly that means, I guess we'll see but when has the NCAA ever given UofL reason to hope for the best?

UofL is just not part of the good ol' boy network. To be clear the Bowen situation on the heels of the other problem was just mind numbing, and the Cards certainly deserve penalty...but UofL cleaned house completely... meanwhile it's business as usual for fake class U and bidding wars won by Duke for OADs. I think if the NCAA was treating all programs equally our fans would be more willing to accept whatever happens.

It's hard to be a fan in this climate.

 

[KerryRhodes]

I expect them to announce a post season ban on UofL March 2020.

ESPECIALLY, if the Cards are in line for a 1,2 or 3 seed.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

I expect them to announce a post season ban on UofL March 2020.

ESPECIALLY, if the Cards are in line for a 1,2 or 3 seed.

Honestly Kerry, it's just going to be difficult to expect a roster to stay in tact in this climate. If players stick around, or keep to their LOI, or whatever agreement the incoming players have - that would say a lot about those guys. It's just a real mess for the program.

 

[Thecycle27]

The only good news is this shouldn't be drawn out. All the data is out there so we will have to see what violations are being alleged.

 

[gocards1987]

The fact that we are 1st probably means we are the poster child for this. It irked me that we were really the only ones getting trashed will other teams had assistants get arrested while I'm not sure anyone from UofL was even actually involved in any of the trials. We will pay for everybody's sins.

 

[PushupMan]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to take 2 scholarships (one each next 2 years) plus extend probation for 5 seasons. And yes, there could be one more postseason ban coming, to provide a financial penalty (no NCAA tournament units earned that year) ... BUT UofL might also be able to demonstrate that they’ve already suffered financial hardship (extra expenses) caused by firing coaches and AD.

The whole continuing to provide extra benefits to recruits after being punished and on probation for extra benefits could result in extremely harsh penalties. That’s exactly what SMU football was guilty of when they were given the death penalty for two years.

So when this is done, if the program isn’t shut down for a year, I will consider that a result of the University’s decision to immediately clean house all the way up to the AD. And I will breathe a sigh of relief at that point.

 

[HRTheCard]

Honestly Kerry, it's just going to be difficult to expect a roster to stay in tact in this climate. If players stick around, or keep to their LOI, or whatever agreement the incoming players have - that would say a lot about those guys. It's just a real mess for the program.

You act as if KU and Arizona haven’t received the same thing. And probably a few more schools before it’s over with. Oregon and Duke come to mind. And yet UA has the #1 or 2 class. Go ahead and continue to be so negative. Glad you don’t have a say in how we handle this situation. I’ll be shocked if this has any effect or any player committing for at least 2 years. If they really cared, we wouldn’t have a 6 man class. People said 1 year ago exactly what you are saying now. They said we wouldn’t get any good players and sign them because they will be afraid of what’s coming. Yet here we are with a top 10 class locked and loaded mostly ready to go for next season. Everyone knew this was coming, so I’m not understanding the whole so negative “if players stick around” blah blah blah. This has been known for a year now.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Honestly Kerry, it's just going to be difficult to expect a roster to stay in tact in this climate. If players stick around, or keep to their LOI, or whatever agreement the incoming players have - that would say a lot about those guys. It's just a real mess for the program.

Thats the key.

The Cards are picked as high as 5th.
The powers that be ( SuCkS people at NCAA Headquarters) fear the revival of UofL basketball.

 

[yum center]

Whatever is done, I hope like hades that we don't work with the crooks at the NCAA like we did last time and then watched UNC walk scott free. I say draw this thing out and fight it like the plague.

 

[teamcanada]

Think they will hire Chuck Smrt again?

 

[Thecycle27]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to take 2 scholarships (one each next 2 years) plus extend probation for 5 seasons. And yes, there could be one more postseason ban coming, to provide a financial penalty (no NCAA tournament units earned that year) ... BUT UofL might also be able to demonstrate that they’ve already suffered financial hardship (extra expenses) caused by firing coaches and AD.

The whole continuing to provide extra benefits to recruits after being punished and on probation for extra benefits could result in extremely harsh penalties. That’s exactly what SMU football was guilty of when they were given the death penalty for two years.

So when this is done, if the program isn’t shut down for a year, I will consider that a result of the University’s decision to immediately clean house all the way up to the AD. And I will breathe a sigh of relief at that point.

I think we have to see what the alleged violations are before predicting penalties. The FBI trial didn't really hurt other than the alleged $1,300. You have to figure that is in the notice not sure what Fair did is a violation even if it is he was fired before a major violation was committed. I doubt Fair is talking.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

You act as if KU and Arizona haven’t received the same thing. And probably a few more schools before it’s over with. Oregon and Duke come to mind. And yet UA has the #1 or 2 class. Go ahead and continue to be so negative. Glad you don’t have a say in how we handle this situation.

I'm glad KU and AZ are in the same boat because A) I don't give a shit about either of those programs and B) they aren't in the same boat because they don't have a Hookergate already around their necks.

All I have tried to say is it is possible the NCAA brings a serious hammer to this program. This is not some out of bounds POV.

I'm not playing with sharp objects setttle down.

I'm really not sure what response you would expect UofL fans to have in regards to this topic.

Bring it On? Yeah. Bring it on NCAA!

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Thats the key.

The Cards are picked as high as 5th.
The powers that be ( SuCkS people at NCAA Headquarters) fear the revival of UofL basketball.

I'm not so sure it's that the fear it, I am just wondering if they think the program suffered enough. They kind of seem to play favorites, no?

 

[KerryRhodes]

Think they will hire Chuck Smrt again?

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[KerryRhodes]

I'm not so sure it's that the fear it, I am just wondering if they think the program suffered enough. They kind of seem to play favorites, no?

Of course they play favorites
By pushing UofL 12 feet deep, they can say theyre not an arbitrary organization, while ignoring the Big 4 cheaters.

Ever since UofL won the preliminary Lasage case, the NCAA has had it in for UofL.

And i know the SuCkS powers that be are behind this.

 

[zipp]

If I'm U of L, I file suit against the NCAA to stay any investigation potentially involving criminal activity until the Feds are done with their work. Right now, no one knows what's going to legally be determined a crime. Could end up in the US Supreme Court.

In 2030 or so, let's see where things stand...

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

If I'm U of L, I file suit against the NCAA to stay any investigation potentially involving criminal activity until the Feds are done with their work. Right now, no one knows what's going to legally be determined a crime. Could end up in the US Supreme Court.

In 2030 or so, let's see where things stand...

Criminal activity by whom? All the parties involved are gone. The suit would go no where. Not to mention the FBI has given the NCAA the clearance to pursue their investigation.

 

[zipp]

Criminal activity by whom? All the parties involved are gone. The suit would go no where. Not to mention the FBI has given the NCAA the clearance to pursue their investigation.

What if school administrators are culpable? What if people in positions of responsibility turned a blind eye to what is determined to be criminal activity?

Did the US Government tell U of L and the NCAA that all involved parties and entities are hereby cleared of all wrongdoing going forward and immune from prosecution? Let me know if that was decided and documented somewhere because I missed the news.

The Feds simply told the NCAA that it was OK for it to do whatever investigation it wanted to. They never said to my knowledge that they weren't returning to U of L under any circumstances and regardless of any evidence that later surfaces. You're OVERreading between the lines...

 

[Thecycle27]

I don't know about dragging it out. It tells me the NCAA is done with their Louisville investigation.
The strategy will based on alleged violations. I think the violations will give everyone a good idea how the NCAA is going to handle the information uncovered by the FBI.

 

[CardX]

We knew this was coming. It’s just another step towards putting this all behind us. My guess is it’ll be close to a year before there are any rulings. Just got to deal with it and carry on.

 

[CardVille]

Buh Bye #2 class, it was fun to think about it

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

What if school administrators are culpable? What if people in positions of responsibility turned a blind eye to what is determined to be criminal activity?

Did the US Government tell U of L and the NCAA that all involved parties and entities are hereby cleared of all wrongdoing going forward and immune from prosecution? Let me know if that was decided and documented somewhere because I missed the news.

The Feds simply told the NCAA that it was OK for it to do whatever investigation it wanted to. They never said to my knowledge that they weren't returning to U of L under any circumstances and regardless of any evidence that later surfaces. You're OVERreading between the lines...

As usual, you think your odd views will be supported in court. "What if" wouldn't be good enough for the suit you're describing. It's a pure fishing expedition. The suit would be dismissed summarily.

 

[CommodoreCard]

As usual, you think your odd views will be supported in court. "What if" wouldn't be good enough for the suit you're describing. It's a pure fishing expedition. The suit would be dismissed summarily.

Oh great, you’re back. It was so peaceful around here the last few weeks.

“War Damn Eagle, Baby!”

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Oh great, you’re back. It was so peaceful around here the last few weeks.

“War Damn Eagle, Baby!”

I've been posting.

 

[CommodoreCard]

I've been posting.

Posting crap!

 

[Morgantown Card]

Fans may have felt miserable for a few years but I don't think the NCAA is satisfied. Cards are the poster child for all of this in their eyes.

I suspect a hammer heading this way. There's really know other way to look at it.

If they avoid massive punishment that would be a major win.

This is exactly why Mack was locked up with a big contract, big dollars, long-term.

 

[Morgantown Card]

I expect them to announce a post season ban on UofL March 2020.

ESPECIALLY, if the Cards are in line for a 1,2 or 3 seed.

That's about a year from now, so actually that sounds about right. This is going to be a dark cloud all season long and it will likely affect the team, unfortunately. It is up to Coach Mack to get the team to believing (and we hope rightfully so) that their regular season is meaningful and they will go to the tournament.

 

[CardX]

In all honesty, with all the previous parties involved gone, I don't know how UofL could assist or cooperate with the inquiry. There's ongoing litigation with Pitino, too, so they can't reveal certain aspects until that plays out.

 

[zipp]

As usual, you think your odd views will be supported in court. "What if" wouldn't be good enough for the suit you're describing. It's a pure fishing expedition. The suit would be dismissed summarily.

The Courts give (potential) criminal defendants as much rope as possible to defend themselves, including the delay of proceedings. Those aren't my "views"...

 

[zipp]

This is exactly why Mack was locked up with a big contract, big dollars, long-term.

Yeah, that was the reason given. We're getting a little OT, but that didn't make it a good strategy...

 

[HRTheCard]

Buh Bye #2 class, it was fun to think about it

And yet we add a grad transfer today.....almost as if.....wait for it....they don’t care. They knew when they committed this would happen.

 

[PHCARD]

We had a great time last night at the Central Cardinal Club. We were also given a tour of the new ACCN/ESPN studio. Wow!

Then to get slammed afterwards with more bad news for my Cardinal pride.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The Courts give (potential) criminal defendants as much rope as possible to defend themselves, including the delay of proceedings. Those aren't my "views"...

I think the SCOTUS findings in United States v. Kordel pretty much shoot you down. The biggest problem is that there are no criminal proceedings against anyone at UL.

 

[buc puppet]

If I'm U of L, I file suit against the NCAA to stay any investigation potentially involving criminal activity until the Feds are done with their work. Right now, no one knows what's going to legally be determined a crime. Could end up in the US Supreme Court.

In 2030 or so, let's see where things stand...

It almost seems like you want to run into a courtroom and try to convince the judge that you’ve broken the law. At this juncture U of L has not broken any laws.

 

[zipp]

I think the SCOTUS findings in United States v. Kordel pretty much shoot you down. The biggest problem is that there are no criminal proceedings against anyone at UL.

U of L has been front and center in this investigation from the day it was announced. That's easy to demonstrate.

The "biggest problem" is that there's a major and public criminal investigation underway in which no one, to my knowledge, has been granted immunity from prosecution except for key witnesses favorable to the federal government's position. And that doesn't include anyone at U of L.

There's also every indication that INDIVIDUALS will be prosecuted in these cases, and not the entities they represent. The same individuals are the ones making decisions today...