Still glad to get those LPT and IU wins instead of...

[zipp]

...Anyone, football/basketball, UL/UK fan, who says that the series should be dropped is just scared...

The football and baseball series should be dropped too. Am I "scared" of losing those games? Truth be told, I probably get over an LPT loss faster than anyone in this space. And now I can shout "this game should not have been played".

BTW, I was saying this BEFORE the last football game was played, and we've won something five in a row in baseball.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[ThroughBlue]

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/john-clay/article97647327.html

And wait until ACC basketball adds another team and the ACC Network revenue starts to get significant. We may yet see a 22-game conference schedule. ACC basketball inventory will be increasingly valuable. And return games between U of L and Duke and U of L and Carolina will be part of that bigger schedule (unlike this year).

'Never' is a long time. There was a point in the 1980s that people said U of L and Memphis (State) was a national rivalry that would always be played. Nebraska-Oklahoma and Texas-Texas A&M also come to mind.

And the opinions of 75% of the people in this State don't matter to U of L scheduling the game or not. Slapd!cks won't be a factor in the decision.

I can't do a poll, and it doesn't matter... We don't decide things by popular vote, or Memphis and Cincy might still be on our schedules. Plus, we can't prevent slapd!cks who need the game desperately from voting.

"Elite program", my a$$...

I can assure you that no one thought Louisville and Memphis state was a "national" rivalry just like no one thinks Kentucky and Louisville is a "national" rivalry. I can also assure you that no Kentucky fan "needs" the Louisville game. It's competition and entertainment between the two biggest schools in the state. I've read the same argument that you make about the game from Kentucky fans and I've given them the same reply that I give you. The game will go on. The easiest thing to do is accept it. Or keep spinning things around to make it seem like nobody wants the game played although they do

 

[nccardfan]

This is my last opinion on this matter. What posters on here fail to realize or accept is this "rivalry" is not just based on games won or lost between the two. Why the hell is there so many posts about "them" on supposedly our message board. Why are so many consumed by what they do and don't do. You say you don't care but it's obvious you do. Yes some of it is hate, some seems to be jealousy or whatever. By not playing them won't stop the hatred and despising them, it only would get worse because you can't settle it on the field or court much like we wanted everyone to recognize that we had a great basketball tradition. How did we do that? By beating the "blue bloods" the UCLA's, the Blue Devils, the Hoosiers and the wildcats.

Here's another point. Does anybody think that if say Howard Schnellenberger had gotten his wish and we became a top football program, would we have advocated joining a conference like the SEC rather than let CRP drive the bus and get us into first the Big East and then the ACC?

If say either Ohio St or Michigan left the big 10, do you think they would stop playing each other. Hell no it's a rivalry, a blood feud. It's not just about players and fans, it's about families and friends. We live it everyday. To deny it is a contradiction, to accept it is L1C4.

 

[BPGhost]

This is my last opinion on this matter. What posters on here fail to realize or accept is this "rivalry" is not just based on games won or lost between the two. Why the hell is there so many posts about "them" on supposedly our message board. Why are so many consumed by what they do and don't do. You say you don't care but it's obvious you do. Yes some of it is hate, some seems to be jealousy or whatever. By not playing them won't stop the hatred and despising them, it only would get worse because you can't settle it on the field or court much like we wanted everyone to recognize that we had a great basketball tradition. How did we do that? By beating the "blue bloods" the UCLA's, the Blue Devils, the Hoosiers and the wildcats.

Here's another point. Does anybody think that if say Howard Schnellenberger had gotten his wish and we became a top football program, would we have advocated joining a conference like the SEC rather than let CRP drive the bus and get us into first the Big East and then the ACC?

If say either Ohio St or Michigan left the big 10, do you think they would stop playing each other. Hell no it's a rivalry, a blood feud. It's not just about players and fans, it's about families and friends. We live it everyday. To deny it is a contradiction, to accept it is L1C4.

I agree, the rivalry is not based upon wins and losses between the two - with the notable exception of the original Dream Game. Until DC took the basketball program to national prominence, kentucky fans didn't consider UofL a rival and in fact - looked down their noses at UofL in general. They (correctly) didn't want to schedule UofL for fear that it would ultimately help Louisville's program. It took a while however UofL is now in an almost inarguably better place in the ACC than kentucky is in the sec - money being the only factor that is in kentucky's favor.

I can't say that I agree with everything that Zipp has to say on the matter however I will say it wouldn't bother me one tiny bit if we never scheduled uk in any sport ever again. There is simply no arguing with the fact that UofL has in the vast majority of measurable criteria, has surpassed uk and no longer "needs" to, or derives any tangible benefit from scheduling them in any sport. Additionally, though I have many friends that are diehard yut fans, I have no interest in interacting with the vast majority of their fans. I think that is a rather common feeling - on both sides. I understand that dropping them from the schedule wouldn't do anything to initially to stem the negative feelings between the fan bases - however at some point, it would lessen and that, would be a good thing.

 

[ThroughBlue]

This is my last opinion on this matter. What posters on here fail to realize or accept is this "rivalry" is not just based on games won or lost between the two. Why the hell is there so many posts about "them" on supposedly our message board. Why are so many consumed by what they do and don't do. You say you don't care but it's obvious you do. Yes some of it is hate, some seems to be jealousy or whatever. By not playing them won't stop the hatred and despising them, it only would get worse because you can't settle it on the field or court much like we wanted everyone to recognize that we had a great basketball tradition. How did we do that? By beating the "blue bloods" the UCLA's, the Blue Devils, the Hoosiers and the wildcats.

Here's another point. Does anybody think that if say Howard Schnellenberger had gotten his wish and we became a top football program, would we have advocated joining a conference like the SEC rather than let CRP drive the bus and get us into first the Big East and then the ACC?

If say either Ohio St or Michigan left the big 10, do you think they would stop playing each other. Hell no it's a rivalry, a blood feud. It's not just about players and fans, it's about families and friends. We live it everyday. To deny it is a contradiction, to accept it is L1C4.

Great post. I applaud you, sir

I can't say that I agree with everything that Zipp has to say on the matter however I will say it wouldn't bother me one tiny bit if we never scheduled uk in any sport ever again. There is simply no arguing with the fact that UofL has in the vast majority of measurable criteria, has surpassed uk and no longer "needs" to, or derives any tangible benefit from scheduling them in any sport. Additionally, though I have many friends that are diehard yut fans, I have no interest in interacting with the vast majority of their fans. I think that is a rather common feeling - on both sides. I understand that dropping them from the schedule wouldn't do anything to initially to stem the negative feelings between the fan bases - however at some point, it would lessen and that, would be a good thing.

I find it very sad that you would associate with someone because of who they root for in college athletics. You probably also don't associate with anyone who holds different political views or someone who comes from a different side of town than you. It's not just you it's a societal thing.

 

[BPGhost]

Great post. I applaud you, sir


I find it very sad that you would associate with someone because of who they root for in college athletics. You probably also don't associate with anyone who holds different political views or someone who comes from a different side of town than you. It's not just you it's a societal thing.

I find it very sad that your reading comprehension is so poor. Did you miss the part where I said I have many friends that are diehard Kentucky fans? You also clearly don't know the meaning of the word "associate" is. Attending sporting event is not "associating" with other fans - whether they are fans of the team you pull for or, that of a rival, anymore then going to Kroger's is associating with other grocery shoppers.

Whether someone is a Kentucky fan has no impact on whether I'm friends with them or not. That said, not wanting to go to rupp to watch a game doesn't make me a hater - it just means that I value my free time more than to spend it with a bunch of people I don't know who will talk shit to me because I've got a red shirt on.

 

[ThroughBlue]

I find it very sad that your reading comprehension is so poor. Did you miss the part where I said I have many friends that are diehard Kentucky fans? You also clearly don't know the meaning of the word "associate" is. Attending sporting event is not "associating" with other fans - whether they are fans of the team you pull for or, that of a rival, anymore then going to Kroger's is associating with other grocery shoppers.

Whether someone is a Kentucky fan has no impact on whether I'm friends with them or not. That said, not wanting to go to rupp to watch a game doesn't make me a hater - it just means that I value my free time more than to spend it with a bunch of people I don't know who will talk shit to me because I've got a red shirt on.

I live two hours south of Louisville and if I could get tickets for a reasonable price or if they were given to me I would love to watch a Louisville game against a marquee opponent at the yum.

 

[BPGhost]

I live two hours south of Louisville and if I could get tickets for a reasonable price or if they were given to me I would love to watch a Louisville game against a marquee opponent at the yum.

Would you show up in your uk gear?

 

[Cue Card]

Would you show up in your uk gear?

Of course he/she would. The main difference is the UofL fans in general would just ignore him/her. Try going to Rupp in UofL gear regardless who UofK is playing. It ain't pretty.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Would you show up in your uk gear?

I certainly don't own any Louisville gear

 

[BPGhost]

I certainly don't own any Louisville gear

Goes without saying but, you're one of those people that would show up in your uk gear for say a UofL - Notre Dame game at the Yum?

 

[zipp]

I can assure you that no one thought Louisville and Memphis state was a "national" rivalry just like no one thinks Kentucky and Louisville is a "national" rivalry. I can also assure you that no Kentucky fan "needs" the Louisville game. It's competition and entertainment between the two biggest schools in the state. I've read the same argument that you make about the game from Kentucky fans and I've given them the same reply that I give you. The game will go on. The easiest thing to do is accept it. Or keep spinning things around to make it seem like nobody wants the game played although they do

And I can assure you that you're too young to know about Louisville-Memphis State firsthand, or you were living under a rock along with other LPT fans. For the better part of two decades, those games were marquee matchups even before Duke-UNC or LPT-Louisville came along.

Again, this isn't a slapd!ck issue... It's one for U of L to resolve. It doesn't matter if every slapd!ck in the State wants to play the game. Once U of L decides it doesn't, the die are cast. Too many people are stuck in the present without learning from the past or anticipating the future. And that indictment applies to all fans.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

I live two hours south of Louisville and if I could get tickets for a reasonable price or if they were given to me I would love to watch a Louisville game against a marquee opponent at the yum.

That's probably because you're not used to seeing a good basketball game in person.

You couldn't have given me a ticket to LPT-Kansas except to sell it for profit. And even if I couldn't sell it, there's something uniquely unsavory about sitting in the proximity of slapd!cks.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

This is my last opinion on this matter. What posters on here fail to realize or accept is this "rivalry" is not just based on games won or lost between the two. Why the hell is there so many posts about "them" on supposedly our message board. Why are so many consumed by what they do and don't do. You say you don't care but it's obvious you do. Yes some of it is hate, some seems to be jealousy or whatever. By not playing them won't stop the hatred and despising them, it only would get worse because you can't settle it on the field or court much like we wanted everyone to recognize that we had a great basketball tradition. How did we do that? By beating the "blue bloods" the UCLA's, the Blue Devils, the Hoosiers and the wildcats....

What happened in the past is simply something you learn from. It doesn't anchor you to the past or force you to carry on with anything. Some of you act like these traditions go back a century... We've only been playing LPT regularly in basketball since 1984, and in football since 1994. Most of you were alive when we didn't play LPT in football.

And the dynamics that cause you to start playing the game--notably Louisville's ascendance--don't freeze in place when you do start. Everything is changing all the time. Some things don't matter, and some like conference affiliation and cost/benefit do. You're shortsighted not to always be updating your analysis and questioning what you do.

...Here's another point. Does anybody think that if say Howard Schnellenberger had gotten his wish and we became a top football program, would we have advocated joining a conference like the SEC rather than let CRP drive the bus and get us into first the Big East and then the ACC?

If say either Ohio St or Michigan left the big 10, do you think they would stop playing each other. Hell no it's a rivalry, a blood feud. It's not just about players and fans, it's about families and friends. We live it everyday. To deny it is a contradiction, to accept it is L1C4.

You think for a minute that Texas-Texas A&M wasn't a blood feud? Or Nebraska-Oklahoma? Or hell, Louisville-Memphis State. Some of you guys need to check your history and to assume nothing.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[ThroughBlue]

That's probably because you're not used to seeing a good basketball game in person.

You couldn't have given me a ticket to LPT-Kansas except to sell it for profit. And even if I couldn't sell it, there's something uniquely unsavory about sitting in the proximity of slapd!cks.

"Elite program", my a$$...

You don't enjoy the game like I do. I couldnt care less about making a profit on tickets

 

[nccardfan]

I agree, the rivalry is not based upon wins and losses between the two - with the notable exception of the original Dream Game. Until DC took the basketball program to national prominence, kentucky fans didn't consider UofL a rival and in fact - looked down their noses at UofL in general. They (correctly) didn't want to schedule UofL for fear that it would ultimately help Louisville's program. It took a while however UofL is now in an almost inarguably better place in the ACC than kentucky is in the sec - money being the only factor that is in kentucky's favor.

I can't say that I agree with everything that Zipp has to say on the matter however I will say it wouldn't bother me one tiny bit if we never scheduled uk in any sport ever again and there is simply no arguing with the fact that UofL has surpassed uk and doesn't need to, or benefit from scheduling them in any sport. My rationale being, though I have many friends that are diehard yut fans, I have no interest in interacting with the vast majority of their fans. I understand that dropping them from the schedule wouldn't do anything to stem the negative feelings between the fan bases - at least at first. However at some point, it would lessen and that, would be a good thing.

Good post. Part of what you are describing occurred when I moved from Kentucky to North Carolina. Oh yes the wins were still great and the losses were just as heartbreaking but I didn't have to deal with UK fans on a daily basis. However, there are a lot of them everywhere. Having moved back to the bluegrass and especially where I'm at now wondering if I am going to be slighted just for being a Cardinal fan is again a reality. But all that is on a personal level and the rivalry is bigger than that. We tend to look at only basketball, football and now baseball but for a lot of the other sports, I see where kids make college choice decisions and a lot of them it is U ofL, UK and WKU. The 15 basketball players are a very small minority, but even then it can come to a head. To this day, I hate Winston Bennett for going to UK.

 

[nccardfan]

What happened in the past is simply something you learn from. It doesn't anchor you to the past or force you to carry on with anything. Some of you act like these traditions go back a century... We've only been playing LPT regularly in basketball since 1984, and in football since 1994. Most of you were alive when we didn't play LPT in football.

And the dynamics that cause you to start playing the game--notably Louisville's ascendance--don't freeze in place when you do start. Everything is changing all the time. Some things don't matter, and some like conference affiliation and cost/benefit do. You're shortsighted not to always be updating your analysis and questioning what you do.

You think for a minute that Texas-Texas A&M wasn't a blood feud? Or Nebraska-Oklahoma? Or hell, Louisville-Memphis State. Some of you guys need to check your history and to assume nothing.

"Elite program", my a$$...

Both Texas and Oklahoma have each other. That is the true Red River rivalry. And yeah I still hate Memphis but they were a conference rival and we are no longer in the same conference. Even if they were, it wouldn't be day in day out hatred. Poor example.