Still glad to get those LPT and IU wins instead of...

[zipp]

It matters to everybody but zipp, apparently. The only thing that appears to matter to zipp is that, once he goes on record with a viewpoint, that his viewpoint be proven correct.

He's 100% right about the stupid financials and outright lies used to build the Yum Center. But he's wrong about this, and he's wrong in stating that UofL should not have imposed a postseason ban last year.

Oh, there are plenty of people who agree with me on this. It's just that there are an equal number wanting 'zipp' to fight his own fights, which I can understand. But I'm certainly willing to let anyone and everyone debate, just as I'm sure you don't mind when I respond.

Fortunately, no one person gets to decide who's "right" and "wrong", even if that can be determined. All we can do is debate and discuss on point, keep our heads, and maybe convince someone eventually to see a little logic to the other side. I understand and respect that sentimentalists wanna keep games with LPT, and some hate slappies to the point where they personally have to be administering the loss. That's not me, and I don't measure myself against slappies, at least not anymore.

The postseason ban BTW can only be seen as right or wrong based on your objective... If your considerations were (1) expediency and (2) disregard over who took the brunt of the penalty and the likelihood of being able to fight it successfully, then falling on your sword was the right thing to do. If it was based on fairness and justice and the weight of the evidence, a strategy of NOT taking the ban can hardly be proven incorrect. From what I eventually--and not unexpectedly--saw of the so-called "evidence", we did indeed fall on our swords, pick ourselves up, and fell on it again. But that's a different subject.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

That was not Ears logic as I read it. But maybe he can come back to clarify.

I took his logic was he simply wanted to see UofL beat UK since they are ON the schedule (much to your dismay!) and there is a decent chance UofL may have to play them in the post season, and Ears would like to see the players gain confidence should they meet in the post season with a win in the regular season against them.

Ears is not debating if UofL should or should not schedule UK. Ears is saying since they are on the schedule, it would be a positive to beat them if the teams play in March for a rematch - which has happened 40% of the time in the last 5 post seasons.

You are now changing the topic. Instead of asking for fans to weigh the importance of which wins matter most, you are now asking which games should be played.

There's no logic or analysis involved in saying "since they're on the schedule, let's beat them." Or "we wanna win all of the games." I hope everyone agrees that there's no point to debate in those positions.

There IS in saying "let's beat that team even if we have to lose to this team." Or the simpler question of "why are they on the schedule?" Those are debatable subjects. Some of you guys wanna change the narrative to one that's not debatable in order to shut me up. ...Good luck with that.

If you have the money to pay for something, you should be making a purchase decision consistent with your answer to the question "if I already owned it, should I keep it or sell it?" (Ask Dave Ramsey for his perspective on that...) Having LPT on the schedule already as I see it is inconsequential to the equivalent situation of "should I schedule them if we're not already playing them?" If you reason differently in those situations, Dave and I would say that's illogical.

If it's important that LPT is on the schedule as "preparation" for the NCAA, it's equally important that we pursue UCLA for the same reason. And I haven't heard that we are.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[earsky]

Crackin' me up, ears...

Actually had me waiting for what was coming...

You're not "little brother", but your reasoning has everything to do with not being able to consistently beat LPT? Is that a joke? WHY does that matter so much to you??

"Elite program", my a$$...

Like I said,so we can exorcise demons.If we stop playing them,there's no chance to get the mental edge back.We will get waxed when we meet in March.It's a present day situation that could change,but not til we prove it to ourselves.

 

[Mayoman]

Crackin' me up, ears...

Actually had me waiting for what was coming...

You're not "little brother", but your reasoning has everything to do with not being able to consistently beat LPT? Is that a joke? WHY does that matter so much to you??

"Elite program", my a$$...

Suffering from 'that age old Adolph Rupp' syndrome again?

WHY does it matter sooooooooooo much to you not to play them?

Methinks you doth protest too much, again, and again, and again. What is that definition of insanity again?

Your take on this keeps me smiling. Good job.

 

[PushupMan]

Oh, there are plenty of people who agree with me on this. It's just that there are an equal number wanting 'zipp' to fight his own fights, which I can understand. But I'm certainly willing to let anyone and everyone debate, just as I'm sure you don't mind when I respond.

Fortunately, no one person gets to decide who's "right" and "wrong", even if that can be determined. All we can do is debate and discuss on point, keep our heads, and maybe convince someone eventually to see a little logic to the other side. I understand and respect that sentimentalists wanna keep games with LPT, and some hate slappies to the point where they personally have to be administering the loss. That's not me, and I don't measure myself against slappies, at least not anymore.

The postseason ban BTW can only be seen as right or wrong based on your objective... If your considerations were (1) expediency and (2) disregard over who took the brunt of the penalty and the likelihood of being able to fight it successfully, then falling on your sword was the right thing to do. If it was based on fairness and justice and the weight of the evidence, a strategy of NOT taking the ban can hardly be proven incorrect. From what I eventually--and not unexpectedly--saw of the so-called "evidence", we did indeed fall on our swords, pick ourselves up, and fell on it again. But that's a different subject.

"Elite program", my a$$...

It's more than sentimentalists ... I've given you the data on attendance from football previously which shows rather conclusively that the bi-annual UK home game is one of the key draws to our football season ticket package. Now go look at the home basketball attendance for 2016, which is very easy to find at gocards.com, and tell me which home basketball game so far this year has drawn the most fans.

 

[zipp]

Like I said,so we can exorcise demons.If we stop playing them,there's no chance to get the mental edge back.We will get waxed when we meet in March.It's a present day situation that could change,but not til we prove it to ourselves.

Whose "demons"? Who are you "proving" yourself to?

I'm sorry, man, but that is little brother-itis almost defined. You're expressing an an undeserved, irrational focus on one team.

I certainly appreciate your being honest about how you feel, and sadly, I don't think you're alone among U of L fans. But if I was a shrink, I'd tell you to seek help. You certainly don't have a healthy self esteem.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[earsky]

Whose "demons"? Who are you "proving" yourself to?

I'm sorry, man, but that is little brother-itis almost defined. You're expressing an an undeserved, irrational focus on one team.

I certainly appreciate your being honest about how you feel, and sadly, I don't think you're alone among U of L fans. But if I was a shrink, I'd tell you to seek help. You certainly don't have a healthy self esteem.

"Elite program", my a$$...

Undeserved?This isn't about me.My eligibility ran out decades ago.IOnce you figure out that you can beat certain teams,it's easier in March.It's not that hard.
And quit telling me about proving one's self,tell the team.Shrink,lol.

It's the program that has "little brother-itis" .Until December's game,the program had doubts.Tough to overcome when it's all on the line.

 

[zipp]

Suffering from 'that age old Adolph Rupp' syndrome again?

WHY does it matter sooooooooooo much to you not to play them?

Methinks you doth protest too much, again, and again, and again. What is that definition of insanity again?

Your take on this keeps me smiling. Good job.

Mayo, I've said this before...I don't know that Uncle Adolph was wrong in his day. He feared that an in-state school like U of L would someday close the gap completely with LPT. And playing us would/could accelerate that. Looking at it selfishly, was he wrong? His only oversight was that he was simply slowing the inevitable, not stopping it. Understand that when you compare me to that line of thinking, it's not necessarily taken as criticism. We're moving AWAY from LPT now; continuing to play them in part just slows that separation, a separation we all should want.

I could and will argue that the issue matters sooooooooo much to me because it matters sooooooooo much to the guys in this thread on the other side of the debate. Kinda hard to conduct a debate by yourself, and you guys keep comin'.

If you bother to understand, I keep cycling back to this issue as the season unfolds... What was once a win over a Top Five school is now a win over a three-seed (and falling). In the meantime, you're in the thick of a race to win the ACC, and two more wins sure would have helped. It's OK for someone to say "I was wrong" if their thinking has changed. No "I told you so" from me.

And I continue to be fascinated by "your take" on another slappy game like tonite's... Are you now an LPT fanboy knowing that win in late-December has diminished and will continue to diminish with each additional loss to SEC lightweights? Glad I'm not in your shoes!

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

Undeserved?This isn't about me...

Well, tell me again why the slappies deserve your focus? And try to in a way that doesn't sound like you're still their little brother, unless that's who you wanna be.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[earsky]

The program is their little brother.

Rather,the program has little brother-itis.

 

[zipp]

It's more than sentimentalists ... I've given you the data on attendance from football previously which shows rather conclusively that the bi-annual UK home game is one of the key draws to our football season ticket package. Now go look at the home basketball attendance for 2016, which is very easy to find at gocards.com, and tell me which home basketball game so far this year has drawn the most fans.

"Attendance" is not the ultimate arbiter of anything esp. considering that the numbers are fudged. Football season tickets are sold out for this year, and there's no LPT on the schedule. Can't sell anymore until the expansion is complete, and I'll bet they sell out then too and WITHOUT LPT on the schedule.

Secondary market prices show that there's more demand for the LPT basketball game, but that's largely derived from LPT FANS. (As a casual glance around the arena at tipoff will confirm...) Are you telling me that we're scheduling LPT in basketball so that more of their fans can attend? The primary ticket prices are the same, so U of L's not making anymore money on that game. You're also trading two-for-one in basketball... You get one LPT home game in exchange for two home games with a mid-major; no chance that's a good financial trade-off when ticket prices are the same.

Without cranking the numbers, I'm also guessing that any true difference in attendance for every-other-year basketball and football games is pocket change for a $100 million athletic department. But if you wanna take a deep dive into that calculation, be my guest. I'll be glad to continue the discussion.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

The program is their little brother.

Rather,the program has little brother-itis.

You may have an identity crisis as a U of L fan, unprofessionally speaking...

 

[earsky]

You may have an identity crisis as a U of L fan, unprofessionally speaking...

lol,yeah I mis-typed the first sentence.No identity crisis here Zipp.

I'm saying that maybe the program feels the need to prove it can beat uk.Maybe then,they might be able to in March.

 

[earsky]

It's been real and fun...

 

[Knucklehank1]

It's more than sentimentalists ... I've given you the data on attendance from football previously which shows rather conclusively that the bi-annual UK home game is one of the key draws to our football season ticket package. Now go look at the home basketball attendance for 2016, which is very easy to find at gocards.com, and tell me which home basketball game so far this year has drawn the most fans.

Zipp has no real rebuttal to attendance or tv viewership numbers. Those are rooted in fact so they are dismissed.

ESPN s college basketball executive producer was salivating over the U.K.-UL game in an interview after the game in December. And yet no one cares about the game. Lol.

 

[zipp]

Zipp has no real rebuttal to attendance or tv viewership numbers. Those are rooted in fact so they are dismissed.

ESPN s college basketball executive producer was salivating over the U.K.-UL game in an interview after the game in December. And yet no one cares about the game. Lol.

One thing 'zipp' won't debate are numbers grounded in dollars and cents. When attendance and TV ratings can be converted on that basis, feel free to publish them.

The LPT game attracted fewer eyeballs than two teams from Bumfukegypt in a bowl game that week. That's another fact.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

...I'm saying that maybe the program feels the need to prove it can beat uk...

Yeah, let me know when one of our coaches admit that.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[American Male]

They were a disappointment that year at the time of our game too... Already out of the AP Top 25 by the time of the game. In fact, their best wins were AFTER Noel's injury.

You can't have it both ways... You can't want 'em on your schedule as a marquee OOC opponent, and then pull for them to lose every week. That's insanity. If they're important enough to schedule every year OOC, they're important--period--or they're not. Which is it?

That's simple slapd!ck logic... The problem is it doesn't work in football where I wanna drop them too. More to lose each year than win, which is becoming true in most sports with them.

Unlike too many of our fans, I don't measure myself against LPT so my school doesn't need to play them. I long ago cast off the "little brother" baggage.

"Elite program", my a$$...

They were a disappointment to their fans...NOT Louisville Fans...Beating The Cats ANYTIME is NEVER a Disappointment to TRUE Cardinal Fans!!!

Yes the FU@# I can...It's called "Having Your Cake And Eating It Too"!!!

Funny you mention "slapd!ck logic", yet you APPLY it to your own logic...Or LACK thereof!!!

It doesn't work in football because it's One of Twelve Regular Season Games...Thus, it's a LARGER % of the schedule...In basketball it's One of Thirty One/Two Games...A pretty BIG difference!!!

No you haven't...You act as a "JEALOUS LITTLE BROTHER" because you CAN'T beat Big Brother, thus you RUN AWAY so you DON'T have to face him!!!

Your opinion is your opinion...My opinion is my opinion...So we'll agree to disagree!!!

 

[zipp]

They were a disappointment to their fans...NOT Louisville Fans...Beating The Cats ANYTIME is NEVER a Disappointment to TRUE Cardinal Fans!!!...

They weren't a good team at the point when we beat them in 2012. Usually, they're not good when we beat them. Whether you recognize it or not, that's a lose-lose proposition for U of L. And I'm a "true Cardinal fan" who couldn't care less if we play them.

...Yes the FU@# I can...It's called "Having Your Cake And Eating It Too"!!!...

But in the real world you can't, again, whether you recognize it or not. You schedule LPT, you need them to win their other games. And that puts you in the uncomfortable position of needing to root for them.

...Funny you mention "slapd!ck logic", yet you APPLY it to your own logic...Or LACK thereof!!!..

You act as a "JEALOUS LITTLE BROTHER" because you CAN'T beat Big Brother, thus you RUN AWAY so you DON'T have to face him!!!...

Slappy logic is that we drop them because we can't beat them. Except that doesn't work for you in football. We need to drop them because we don't respect them and don't want to help them, at least I don't.

...Your opinion is your opinion...My opinion is my opinion...So we'll agree to disagree!!!

I'll let you know when I agree to something.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[American Male]

They weren't a good team at the point when we beat them in 2012. Usually, they're not good when we beat them. Whether you recognize it or not, that's a lose-lose proposition for U of L. And I'm a "true Cardinal fan" who couldn't care less if we play them.

But in the real world you can't, again, whether you recognize it or not. You schedule LPT, you need them to win their other games. And that puts you in the uncomfortable position of needing to root for them.

Slappy logic is that we drop them because we can't beat them. Except that doesn't work for you in football. We need to drop them because we don't respect them and don't want to help them, at least I don't.

I'll let you know when I agree to something.

"Elite program", my a$$...

They were 10-3 in 2012-2013 when we beat them, having lost a Neutral Site Game to Duke...The SAME Duke team we lost to in an EARLY Season Game...At Notre Dame, and to Baylor...So I wouldn't say they were a BAD Team at that point...TRUE Cardinal Fans Don't back down...From ANYONE...Regardless of how good/bad we are, or how good/bad they are!!!

Not in basketball as it's only 1/32's of the overall regular season schedule...Thus it impacts our SOS in basketball LESS...That seems to escape your LIMITED Knowledge and Understanding of the FACTS!!!

We drop them because we're PU$$IES, and don't like getting beat...Not because we don't respect them...I DON'T respect them as it is...I don't NEED to stop playing them to DISRESPECT them!!!

Again...We can agree to Disagree!!!

 

[zipp]

They were 10-3 in 2012-2013 when we beat them, having lost a Neutral Site Game to Duke...The SAME Duke team we lost to in an EARLY Season Game...At Notre Dame, and to Baylor...So I wouldn't say they were a BAD Team at that point...

This BTW is what I love about this debate...I get to argue AGAINST U of L fans defending LPT.

Priceless!

The slappies didn't lose to teams of the quality of this year's teams. Baylor and ND were both unranked when they beat LPT in 2012. LPT was an NIT team that you beat...congrats.

...TRUE Cardinal Fans Don't back down...From ANYONE...Regardless of how good/bad we are, or how good/bad they are!!!...

We drop them because we're PU$$IES, and don't like getting beat...Not because we don't respect them...I DON'T respect them as it is...I don't NEED to stop playing them to DISRESPECT them!!!...

LOL, thanks for helping define the world of Cardinal fandom. I could just as easily argue arbitrarily that no U of L fan would ever say anything good about LPT. Whoops, there you go!

You can disrespect your opponents at your own risk. Consequently, I don't advocate playing teams I don't respect. Guess who's at the top of that list?

...Not in basketball as it's only 1/32's of the overall regular season schedule...Thus it impacts our SOS in basketball LESS...That seems to escape your LIMITED Knowledge and Understanding of the FACTS!!!...

My "limited knowledge" tells me that, as far as SOS, I have nothing to worry about playing in the ACC in basketball. The rest of our schedule are meaningless exhibitions.

...Again...We can agree to Disagree!!!

Again, I'll tell you when I agree to something. Haven't seen much so far!

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

Zipp has no real rebuttal to attendance or tv viewership numbers...

And speaking again of attendance (an example I discussed with P-Up a few months ago)...

2016 PJCS ATTENDANCE NOS.
Charlotte - 53,127
LPT - 54,075

Even if I believed that difference reflected the relative interest for these two teams, those 948 fans at $50 per ticket represent $47,400 in revenue difference. Again, pocket change for a $100 million athletic department. BUT that's an incomplete analysis...

Playing LPT is a two-year commitment, home and away. Charlotte OTOH is a pure revenue game. So, the LPT "rivalry" substitutes for TWICE AS MANY home games. Now, that's serious coin...

Charlotte TIMES TWO - 106,254
LPT - 54,075
Difference = 52,179 @ $50/ticket = $2.6 million

Then add another $0.3 million for one game's parking and concessions, and now you're at $2.9 million. The LPT series is therefore costing you close to $1.5 million per year in lost football revenue.

Knuckles, thanks for bringing up attendance again. You want me to crunch the huge numbers for basketball too?

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[BPGhost]

Not sure if this point has been made - I confess to not reading every single post in this thread.

If we're going to play uk in the regular season - and we are - it's important to beat them on a frequent basis, and here's why.

As noted, the NCAA pairs us up in the same region or side of the reason in the tournament seemingly every year. We already have one program that's "kryptonite" to us - fortunately uva isn't in our path until late in the tournament (and by then they're usually out) because they're in the ACC. We don't want to consistently be matched up against a team / program in the tournament that we feel we can't beat.

Winning some of those regular season games goes a long way to dispelling that notion. That's why the regular season Dub is huge.

 

[Knucklehank1]

And speaking again of attendance (an example I discussed with P-Up a few months ago)...

2016 PJCS ATTENDANCE NOS.
Charlotte - 53,127
LPT - 54,075

Even if I believed that difference reflected the relative interest for these two teams, those 948 fans at $50 per ticket represent $47,400 in revenue difference. Again, pocket change for a $100 million athletic department. BUT that's an incomplete analysis...

Playing LPT is a two-year commitment, home and away. Charlotte OTOH is a pure revenue game. So, the LPT "rivalry" substitutes for TWICE AS MANY home games. Now, that's serious coin...

Charlotte TIMES TWO - 106,254
LPT - 54,075
Difference = 52,179 @ $50/ticket = $2.6 million

Then add another $0.3 million for one game's parking and concessions, and now you're at $2.9 million. The LPT series is therefore costing you close to $1.5 million per year in lost football revenue.

Knuckles, thanks for bringing up attendance again. You want me to crunch the huge numbers for basketball too?

"Elite program", my a$$...[/QUOTE

Probably best to compare the attendance of last home games of the season to draw better conclusions. Regardless you have no proper rebuttal to the tv numbers and the fact that ESPN executives raved about the bball matchup.

 

[Section 12 Jerk]

LPT was an NIT team that you beat...congrats.

Don't you mean that WE beat? Who's side are you on here?

 

[zipp]

Don't you mean that WE beat? Who's side are you on here?

My allegiance has never been a point of debate. You might say I want what I THINK is best for my school and athletic programs.

Since I'm not a proponent of the LPT games, I'm willing to give people who are credit for the wins. Similarly, you'll see me say things like "how's your basketball rivalry working for ya?" That's 2nd person as well. And it points out that "rivalry" proponents get credit for both the wins AND losses.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

So Zipp what happens if the Cards get to keep the wins over UK and IU - and go ahead and win the ACC too,without those wins over ND and UVA?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[zipp]

So Zipp what happens if the Cards get to keep the wins over UK and IU - and go ahead and win the ACC too,without those wins over ND and UVA?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

You "rivalry" guys always wanna change the proposition. What if we finish one game behind the winner of the ACC?

You better worry about LPT losing a game like they should have last night. Get out your blue pom-poms and help those slappies! (Must suck to be you guys!!)

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

You "rivalry" guys always wanna change the proposition. What if we finish one game behind the winner of the ACC?

You better worry about LPT losing a game like they should have last night. Get out your blue pom-poms and help those slappies! (Must suck to be you guys!!)

"Elite program", my a$$...

Nowhere in this thread have I shared an opinion as to which wins are more important than others, or my feelings about the "rivalry" either. I just decided to join in the mythical conversation and put a few contrarian talking points out there because it's fun getting away from reality now and then.

I honestly don't care if we ever play UK again in any sport. I'm "indifferent" Zipp!

 

[zipp]

...I honestly don't care if we ever play UK again in any sport. I'm "indifferent" Zipp!

Good for you! It's progress.

I honestly can't understand why any U of L fan wants anything to do with LPT. Why do you (rhetorically) want your players on the same floor as theirs? Why do you want your coach sharing a spotlight with their coach? Why do you wanna sit next to their fans in a stadium or arena, park next to their cars, stand in line with them to get a beer?

People here generally express more dislike of LPT coaches and fans than I do, and that's the way I feel. Why do U of L fans wanna be close to them--to the point of wanting to see them win other games? That's crazy, makes no sense.

Keep up the good work, hop!

"Elite program:, my a$$...

 

[Rollem Cards]

What conference realignment has been done for the Basketball?

None.

There's the TV "importance". Especially for a Nov-Jan game. IIRC, any bowl game has outdrawn the biggest BB game on any given day.

It seems we only beat uk when they are "down". CRP is always playing mind games and juggling lineups in Dec, preparing for March.

All I know is, if we're going to play, we need to be ready to play. If not, let it go.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Good for you! It's progress.

I honestly can't understand why any U of L fan wants anything to do with LPT. Why do you (rhetorically) want your players on the same floor as theirs? Why do you want your coach sharing a spotlight with their coach? Why do you wanna sit next to their fans in a stadium or arena, park next to their cars, stand in line with them to get a beer?

People here generally express more dislike of LPT coaches and fans than I do, and that's the way I feel. Why do U of L fans wanna be close to them--to the point of wanting to see them win other games? That's crazy, makes no sense.

Keep up the good work, hop!

"Elite program:, my a$$...

It's sport. Competition. People in this state want the top two universities to compete. Hell, I want to have scheduled games against eastern, western, Murray, Morehead, and even NKU. If we are going to have games against mid majors and pay them to come into rupp and give us a win why not pay in state schools and help their sports programs?

 

[zipp]

It's sport. Competition. People in this state want the top two universities to compete. Hell, I want to have scheduled games against eastern, western, Murray, Morehead, and even NKU. If we are going to have games against mid majors and pay them to come into rupp and give us a win why not pay in state schools and help their sports programs?

Your schedule NEEDS the competition. We all understand that. Your 30-game schedule's hot garbage except for a few teams like U of L each year. Carolina's gonna drop you too when the ACC goes to a 20-game conference schedule.

No one is saying we're gonna stop scheduling in-state schools. I'd rather play those teams than a directional school five states away. But all those teams come to Bailout Arena to play, in large part because our arena needs the money. Even LPT fans recognize that. So if your school doesn't mind playing most/all of the "rivalry" games in Louisville, I'm cool with that.

There are only two reasons why an OOC team should be on U of L's schedule: (1) the conference requires it--like the ACC-Big Ten challenge, the basis for which I'm starting to "challenge"--or (2) it makes U of L money. Some U of L fans don't understand, but the only games solidly in category (2) are no-return games with directional schools. When you have to go to the other team's place to play, like the slapd!cks, you lose a $2 million home game.

If you're good playing in Bailout Arena each year, I'll change my POV about this game.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[zipp]

Rollem, your latest points are 100% spot on...

 

[Knucklehank1]

It is nice that the Cards have a top 10 RPI win on the resume. Should help with our seeding. Now lets get the 2nd one tomorrow night.

 

[zipp]

You mean the "top 10 RPI" team that's up one point to hapless Mizzou at halftime? Better get out those blue pom poms!

Congrats again on that "rivalry" win. As usual, we only get them against the $hit versions of LPT basketball.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[ThroughBlue]

Your schedule NEEDS the competition. We all understand that. Your 30-game schedule's hot garbage except for a few teams like U of L each year. Carolina's gonna drop you too when the ACC goes to a 20-game conference schedule.

No one is saying we're gonna stop scheduling in-state schools. I'd rather play those teams than a directional school five states away. But all those teams come to Bailout Arena to play, in large part because our arena needs the money. Even LPT fans recognize that. So if your school doesn't mind playing most/all of the "rivalry" games in Louisville, I'm cool with that.

There are only two reasons why an OOC team should be on U of L's schedule: (1) the conference requires it--like the ACC-Big Ten challenge, the basis for which I'm starting to "challenge"--or (2) it makes U of L money. Some U of L fans don't understand, but the only games solidly in category (2) are no-return games with directional schools. When you have to go to the other team's place to play, like the slapd!cks, you lose a $2 million home game.

If you're good playing in Bailout Arena each year, I'll change my POV about this game.

"Elite program", my a$$...

1.) Carolina isn't going to drop us because we aren't scheduled to play them. They are in the cbs sports classic and it just got renewed again. Same with the champions classic. Those are games that the average college basketball fan wants to see.

2.) regardless of how many pointless numbers you can spin up in your head Louisville isn't going to drop us either. It's a game that 99.99% of the state wants to see with you and a couple of people who fell into your trap being the only exceptions. Hell, yal beat us this year and I'm still glad that it's an annual game. Why? Because I'm a college basketball fan and just like the first point that is a game that the average college basketball fan wants to see.

And before you say "what an average slappy, lpt, yut, response" you should have a poll and see how many of the fine posters on this site would actually not want to schedule the other top school in the state.

 

[tluck28]

1.) Carolina isn't going to drop us because we aren't scheduled to play them. They are in the cbs sports classic and it just got renewed again. Same with the champions classic. Those are games that the average college basketball fan wants to see.

2.) regardless of how many pointless numbers you can spin up in your head Louisville isn't going to drop us either. It's a game that 99.99% of the state wants to see with you and a couple of people who fell into your trap being the only exceptions. Hell, yal beat us this year and I'm still glad that it's an annual game. Why? Because I'm a college basketball fan and just like the first point that is a game that the average college basketball fan wants to see.

And before you say "what an average slappy, lpt, yut, response" you should have a poll and see how many of the fine posters on this site would actually not want to schedule the other top school in the state.

I agree with everything you say.
Anyone, football/basketball, UL/UK fan, who says that the series should be dropped is just scared.

SPORTS ARE ENTERTAINMENT and that is it. I want to see the best match ups even if we lose some of them.

 

[Cue Card]

I agree with everything you say.
Anyone, football/basketball, UL/UK fan, who says that the series should be dropped is just scared.

SPORTS ARE ENTERTAINMENT and that is it. I want to see the best match ups even if we lose some of them.

Scared of what? That doesn't make any sense. Zipp doesn't play for UofL. I fully understand what he's saying and agree with him for the most part. We've grown as a university/athletic program. The Cardinals play in the ACC where the basketball competition is superior. The football competition is at least equal to the SEC seeing how the ACC has been in 3 straight national championship games, and the baseball, womens basketball, etc, etc, all seem to be at least as good if not moreso than whatever sports the Cats play in.

If the Cards and Cats stopped playing in all sports across the board, it wouldn't hurt the athletic department in any way. We don't need to play UofK. The people in charge of scheduling (so far) want to. Big difference from 30 to 40 years ago when the Cardinals were still growing as a athletic program. Now we're completely self sufficient. Period.

 

[zipp]

1.) Carolina isn't going to drop us because we aren't scheduled to play them. They are in the cbs sports classic and it just got renewed again. Same with the champions classic. Those are games that the average college basketball fan wants to see...

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/john-clay/article97647327.html

And wait until ACC basketball adds another team and the ACC Network revenue starts to get significant. We may yet see a 22-game conference schedule. ACC basketball inventory will be increasingly valuable. And return games between U of L and Duke and U of L and Carolina will be part of that bigger schedule (unlike this year).

...2.) regardless of how many pointless numbers you can spin up in your head Louisville isn't going to drop us either. It's a game that 99.99% of the state wants to see with you and a couple of people who fell into your trap being the only exceptions...

'Never' is a long time. There was a point in the 1980s that people said U of L and Memphis (State) was a national rivalry that would always be played. Nebraska-Oklahoma and Texas-Texas A&M also come to mind.

And the opinions of 75% of the people in this State don't matter to U of L scheduling the game or not. Slapd!cks won't be a factor in the decision.

...And before you say "what an average slappy, lpt, yut, response" you should have a poll and see how many of the fine posters on this site would actually not want to schedule the other top school in the state.

I can't do a poll, and it doesn't matter... We don't decide things by popular vote, or Memphis and Cincy might still be on our schedules. Plus, we can't prevent slapd!cks who need the game desperately from voting.

"Elite program", my a$$...