SEC embarrassing itself already...

[Louisvillian]

Originally posted by Brody50:
Yea zipp,
That ACC looking like a real juggernaut out of the gate.
And that's your champ?
"Elite conference MY ass....."

And lowly St. Josephs took UConn to overtime in the first round last year giving them a much tougher game than your NBA ready Mildcats did in the Championship game.

I guess for a UKay football fan they would count what Northeastern did today as a win!

Survive and advance.

 

[Brody50]

....and feeling superior because of post count, what a clown. Lol.
.joke is on you zipp.
I want to thank you on behalf of the silent majority on here that use you for entertainment. Figured wouldn't take long for a response. Lol

This post was edited on 3/19 3:04 PM by Brody50

 

[Imurlouisvilleman]

Sorry, I'm actually confused. I agree with some of your points Zipp but if the NCAA Tournament doesn't make a national champion and someone being 34-0 sucks....then where in between is a Champion made???? By what criteria should we use to crown someone national champion? Serious question. Granted the NC isn't always the best team in a given year but if a NC isn't actually a NC, just a tournament champion....what the hell is going on???? I gotta say it....I'm not a homer like some people...I see a duck as a duck and if my Mother says something stupid....it's a stupid comment, being my mother doesn't change that fact. That was just a silly comment.

 

[Rockfly78]

The NCAA DOES produce a National Champ. This is the format that college Bball follows. All teams play within the system and its AWESOME! You play hard during the season so you can be seeded high in the tourney and get an advantage. Otherwise I guess we could go to a NBA system where we play 5 game series to determine the best team. If this were the case then UK would clean house and stockpile trophies and I cannot imagine you would like that.

It may be flukey, but it is beautiful and it is fun. March Madness prints money and generates huge ratings and interest. 99% of sports fans love it. The other 1% are contrary.

 

[Briggsky]

Leave it to a KKKAT fan to be on here when UK is the number one seed and on a roll. For most fans trolling on another team's site on the day of their own game is about as rare as a UK graduate. The more final four's the more vacated wins for Cal. He needs about 70 to pull back even with Syracuse. Of course it could be a while since the Cuse went back ten years and NC's is around 20 years.

 

[Atwood8665]

Originally posted by Briggsky:
Leave it to a KKKAT fan to be on here when UK is the number one seed and on a roll. For most fans trolling on another team's site on the day of their own game is about as rare as a UK graduate. The more final four's the more vacated wins for Cal. He needs about 70 to pull back even with Syracuse. Of course it could be a while since the Cuse went back ten years and NC's is around 20 years.

UK's grad rate is 89%, Louisville's is 58%. Sorry to kill your theory with facts.

Source: Time Magazine

http://time.com/3745396/march-madness-classroom/?xid=fbshare

 

[Steelers2012]

Originally posted by Atwood8665:



Originally posted by Briggsky:
Leave it to a KKKAT fan to be on here when UK is the number one seed and on a roll. For most fans trolling on another team's site on the day of their own game is about as rare as a UK graduate. The more final four's the more vacated wins for Cal. He needs about 70 to pull back even with Syracuse. Of course it could be a while since the Cuse went back ten years and NC's is around 20 years.



UK's grad rate is 89%, Louisville's is 58%. Sorry to kill your theory with facts.

Source: Time Magazine

http://time.com/3745396/march-madness-classroom/?xid=fbshare

The base measure is a school's most recent men's basketball "Graduation Success Rate," a figure measured by the NCAA that doesn't dock schools for having players who transfer or go pro before graduating-as long as those players leave in good academic standing.

UK's overall male graduation rate is 55%.

This post was edited on 3/19 4:09 PM by Steelers2012

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by Rockfly78:
...Otherwise I guess we could go to a NBA system where we play 5 game series to determine the best team. If this were the case then UK would clean house and stockpile trophies and I cannot imagine you would like that...
That's exactly the format that the NCAA tourney should follow. Multiple elimination of some type. NCAA baseball follows it, and so does softball. There should be far fewer teams invited, no autobids, and more games played between teams who legitimately should be in a national championship tourney.

It would help LPT in a tourney like this year. But on the flipside, LPT wouldn't have made the tourney last year. The pros and cons offset. It would be better for the P5 conferences who should get 80% of the bids.

And when the P5 takes it (basketball championship) over in a few years, I hope changes like this are made. Right now, it's becoming a joke. The last thing I wanted to see was Georgia State (regardless of Kevin Ware) advancing to play Xavier and probably getting blown out on Saturday.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[Rockfly78]

We are much closer to seeing the tourney expanded rather than shrunk. I'm not sure I would look to baseball or softball as a model for success. When's the last time a million people ever watched a college baseball game? The tourney is a beast. The best team does not always win, however there is nothing more entertaining than the NCAA tourney. At the end of the day, that's all sports really is. It's entertainment. Whether my team wins or your team wins it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

If we went to a smaller tourney the money, ratings, and hoopla surrounding March would decline. It is special and should be left alone, regardless of its flaws.

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by Rockfly78:
We are much closer to seeing the tourney expanded rather than shrunk. I'm not sure I would look to baseball or softball as a model for success. When's the last time a million people ever watched a college baseball game? The tourney is a beast. The best team does not always win, however there is nothing more entertaining than the NCAA tourney. At the end of the day, that's all sports really is. It's entertainment. Whether my team wins or your team wins it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

If we went to a smaller tourney the money, ratings, and hoopla surrounding March would decline. It is special and should be left alone, regardless of its flaws.It won't be expanding anytime soon. And people watch basketball more than baseball because that's the sport they like more. Football currently has four teams in its championship and is much more popular than basketball.

Excitement and popularity aren't relevant anyway. Kentucky residents would watch cockfighting on TV...does that make it broadcast worthy? Bottom line is crowning a true champion. Not a team like LPT or UConn last year. So far, looks like we're heading in the same direction this year.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[Atwood8665]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by Atwood8665:



Originally posted by Briggsky:
Leave it to a KKKAT fan to be on here when UK is the number one seed and on a roll. For most fans trolling on another team's site on the day of their own game is about as rare as a UK graduate. The more final four's the more vacated wins for Cal. He needs about 70 to pull back even with Syracuse. Of course it could be a while since the Cuse went back ten years and NC's is around 20 years.



UK's grad rate is 89%, Louisville's is 58%. Sorry to kill your theory with facts.

Source: Time Magazine

http://time.com/3745396/march-madness-classroom/?xid=fbshare

The base measure is a school's most recent men's basketball "Graduation Success Rate," a figure measured by the NCAA that doesn't dock schools for having players who transfer or go pro before graduating-as long as those players leave in good academic standing.

UK's overall male graduation rate is 55%.

This post was edited on 3/19 4:09 PM by Steelers2012

I'm glad you brought that up Steelers. Yes, Kentucky does have an overall male graduation rate of 55%. Louisville's is 50%.

The basketball graduation rates are 89% and 58% respectively. [/URL][/URL]
This post was edited on 3/19 5:20 PM by Atwood8665

 

[Rockfly78]

Zipp

This thread is getting away from you. Still no need to be so hateful.

 

[zipp]

I'll go where the thread participants want to go. Prefer to stay on topic, but I can't impose that on anyone.

"Hateful" is simply the way I want LPT fans to see me. I'm actually a lover, but no value in LPT fans getting a glimpse of THAT.

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[SeaCard]

Originally posted by zipp:
I'll go where the thread participants want to go. Prefer to stay on topic, but I can't impose that on anyone.

"Hateful" is simply the way I want LPT fans to see me. I'm actually a lover, but no value in LPT fans getting a glimpse of THAT.

"Elite program", my a$$...

I'll bring it back on topic. The SEC is getting blown out in it's first game. Yes I know, technically Ole Miss won a play in game Tuesday but they are getting manhandled by a Big East team right now.

 

[Steelers2012]

Originally posted by Atwood8665:
Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by Atwood8665:
UK's grad rate is 89%, Louisville's is 58%. Sorry to kill your theory with facts.
UK's overall male graduation rate is 55%. [/I]The base measure is a school's most recent men's basketball "Graduation Success Rate," a figure measured by the NCAA that doesn't dock schools for having players who transfer or go pro before graduating-as long as those players leave in good academic standing.

[/I]

This post was edited on 3/19 4:09 PM by Steelers2012

I'm glad you brought that up Steelers. Yes, Kentucky does have an overall male graduation rate of 55%. Louisville's is 50%.

The basketball graduation rates are 89% and 58% respectively. [/URL][/URL]
This post was edited on 3/19 5:20 PM by Atwood8665

Actually...that 89% is some thing called "Graduation Success Rate", which does not count players who leave school to transfer or go pro before graduating, meaning it is a grossly misleading stat when a program has so many players who go pro or transfer well before graduating. The question should be how many players who enter a program, leave it with a degree? That's how you define graduating.

 

[Atwood8665]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by Atwood8665:
Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by Atwood8665:
UK's grad rate is 89%, Louisville's is 58%. Sorry to kill your theory with facts.
UK's overall male graduation rate is 55%. [/I]The base measure is a school's most recent men's basketball "Graduation Success Rate," a figure measured by the NCAA that doesn't dock schools for having players who transfer or go pro before graduating-as long as those players leave in good academic standing.

[/I]

This post was edited on 3/19 4:09 PM by Steelers2012

I'm glad you brought that up Steelers. Yes, Kentucky does have an overall male graduation rate of 55%. Louisville's is 50%.

The basketball graduation rates are 89% and 58% respectively. [/URL][/URL]
This post was edited on 3/19 5:20 PM by Atwood8665

Actually...that 89% is some thing called "Graduation Success Rate", which does not count players who leave school to transfer or go pro before graduating, meaning it is a grossly misleading stat when a program has so many players who go pro or transfer well before graduating. The question should be how many players who enter a program, leave it with a degree? That's how you define graduating.

So, you don't like the calculation? That's fine, I get it. But in both of these metrics, Louisville is behind Kentucky.

 

[Briggsky]

I'm talking student athletes. Cal has a 17% grad rate it's that simple. UK has had the worst record for three of the last four years of all teams participating in the NCAA. Time didn't report on basketball grad rates stupid. Bad link and bad numbers. This is a basketball forum. A UL basketball forum. Two years ago Rick had the 3rd highest grad rate over the last five years at over 70%. Of all participating teams reported by CBS from NCAA numbers only Duke and Kansas had higher rates. So the 59% number has to be a lie. The over grad rate for male athletes at KY was shown at 55% in the Time study to which you refer. Anybody who can count knows that UK has not graduated 89% of it's players since 2007. 17 players left after their first year alone to go pro and 17 others have either left or transferred just since 2006 alone. That's 34 different players who didn't graduate from KY and I'm not counting players who left after two years yet.

Again you need to learn to read a chart. Time used the numbers given to them and obviously KY's were bogus. Are you really dense enough to be believe Cal graduated 89% which you reported. we are talking about grad rate not GSR or APR. You can't take those to a job interview.


Here are the players who left since 2006 without graduating for UK. I'm sure you have a list of players who went pro before graduating. Now tell me exactly how UK can have a grad rate of 89% when some 35 kids have either been forced out or left on their own in Čal's time.

Shagari Alleyne
Rakalin Sims
Adam Williams
Mark Coury
Derrick Jasper
Alex Legion
Morakinyo Williams
Adam Delph
Kevin Galloway
Mark Halsell
Matthew Pilgram
Landon Stone
A.J. Stewart
Donald Williams
Darnell Dodson
Stacy Poole
Ryan Harrow
Kyke Wiktjer

 

[Brody50]

Really good stats dumbass. If you're looking to condemn Cal, try again, considering your last 4 are only players that apply to Cal. Dodson liked the weed too much (should of went to Louisville with Chane) and rest couldn't get on floor (apparently also should have went to Louisville). Yea before you talk about UK fans being on your board during a game what can I say? Gets boring sometimes. We don't go into every game hoping we can win. Come on zipp. Give me a a smackdown and add to that oh so impressive post count!

This post was edited on 3/19 11:43 PM by Brody50

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by Brody50:
...We don't go into every game hoping we can win. Come on zipp. Give me a a smackdown and add to that oh so impressive post count!You don't have to hope. You play in the SEC.

LSU?

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[Brody50]

21780. Awesome. I just won $20 on how long it would take you to reply!
Thanks.

 

[Atwood8665]

Originally posted by Briggsky:
I'm talking student athletes. Cal has a 17% grad rate it's that simple. UK has had the worst record for three of the last four years of all teams participating in the NCAA. Time didn't report on basketball grad rates stupid. Bad link and bad numbers. This is a basketball forum. A UL basketball forum. Two years ago Rick had the 3rd highest grad rate over the last five years at over 70%. Of all participating teams reported by CBS from NCAA numbers only Duke and Kansas had higher rates. So the 59% number has to be a lie. The over grad rate for male athletes at KY was shown at 55% in the Time study to which you refer. Anybody who can count knows that UK has not graduated 89% of it's players since 2007. 17 players left after their first year alone to go pro and 17 others have either left or transferred just since 2006 alone. That's 34 different players who didn't graduate from KY and I'm not counting players who left after two years yet.

Again you need to learn to read a chart. Time used the numbers given to them and obviously KY's were bogus. Are you really dense enough to be believe Cal graduated 89% which you reported. we are talking about grad rate not GSR or APR. You can't take those to a job interview.


Here are the players who left since 2006 without graduating for UK. I'm sure you have a list of players who went pro before graduating. Now tell me exactly how UK can have a grad rate of 89% when some 35 kids have either been forced out or left on their own in Čal's time.

Shagari Alleyne
Rakalin Sims
Adam Williams
Mark Coury
Derrick Jasper
Alex Legion
Morakinyo Williams
Adam Delph
Kevin Galloway
Mark Halsell
Matthew Pilgram
Landon Stone
A.J. Stewart
Donald Williams
Darnell Dodson
Stacy Poole
Ryan Harrow
Kyke Wiktjer

Goodness Briggs, I thought we had talked about your reading comprehension. The overall grad rate is the rate of the males in the school, not the male athletes. Like Steelers and I were discussing earlier, Kentucky graduates 55% of males, Louisville graduates 50%. Also, the calculus the article uses is Graduate Success Rate, which is slightly different than grad rate, I'll admit. However, what I was trying to point out is that based on that metric, Kentucky has an 89%, and Louisville has a 58%, that is all.

I appreciate the trip down memory lane, even though you enjoy blaming a lot of transfers on Cal that happened before he came to Kentucky. As anyone knows, when a new coach comes in, there are transfers. As you guys enjoy pointing out, Kentucky had three coaches during that time. Almost half of those transfers were before Cal set foot on campus.

You can call the data that Time Magazine uses a lie all you want. I am neither a reporter nor a researcher, so all I can do is show the numbers and draw conclusions based on them. If you choose to believe otherwise, that is your prerogative.

 

[Brody50]

Atwood. To argue facts with these guys is a waste of time. Their inferiority complex won't allow it. Don't bother. They actually have convinced themselves they're a football school anyway. The only threads with any hits on this site have to do with UK, since we get bored. Enjoy their downward spiral. Next year when their 3 players that can score are gone it will be even more entertaining.

 

[zipp]

As long as we're getting way OT, just curious about the big picture... If we take the graduation rate and subtract the felony rate, would U of L be low enough to qualify for the SEC?

"Elite program", my a$$...

 

[CashCard]

I'll tell what will be more entertaining is when cal gets canned by the ncaa. You kitty cat fans say the same thing year after year about ul and every year they prove you wrong. Lol it never gets old tho

 

[lwbb]

I will tell you what is most entertaining is Cal kicking Pitino a$$ every year

 

[lonedingo93]

Again, I don't get conference smack.

It's literally hiding behind other teams beating other teams in order to talk shit to a team you can't beat.

 

[lonedingo93]

Originally posted by Steelers2012:

Originally posted by Atwood8665:



Originally posted by Briggsky:
Leave it to a KKKAT fan to be on here when UK is the number one seed and on a roll. For most fans trolling on another team's site on the day of their own game is about as rare as a UK graduate. The more final four's the more vacated wins for Cal. He needs about 70 to pull back even with Syracuse. Of course it could be a while since the Cuse went back ten years and NC's is around 20 years.



UK's grad rate is 89%, Louisville's is 58%. Sorry to kill your theory with facts.

Source: Time Magazine

http://time.com/3745396/march-madness-classroom/?xid=fbshare

The base measure is a school's most recent men's basketball "Graduation Success Rate," a figure measured by the NCAA that doesn't dock schools for having players who transfer or go pro before graduating-as long as those players leave in good academic standing.

UK's overall male graduation rate is 55%.

This post was edited on 3/19 4:09 PM by Steelers2012

Isn't their APR (the one stat that actually matters), perfect?

Why focus on stats that don't matter? Seems desperate.

 

[CashCard]

Not every year my friend. Pitino has 1 win against him. So you can throw that shitty post out the window. Cheataparis time is comin tho man just wait and see.

 

[mark62]

"Again, I don't get conference smack.

It's literally hiding behind other teams beating other teams in order to talk shit to a team you can't beat."

That's exactly what I think when I read these threads.
This post was edited on 3/20 7:11 AM by mark62

 

[OneEarWonder]

I'll second the comment on conference affiliation. I don't believe in guild by association, nor do I believe in credit by association.

SEC Basketball is sub-par most years, that does not diminish UK's basketball successes. Just like SEC Football is generally at or near the top, that does not elevate UK football. Same goes for ACC, just because a team plays in the ACC does not make them any better or worse for that fact alone. UL is the perfect example... they have been Metro, C-USA, Big East, and ACC all in the past 20 years (or so)... does any of that change or diminish their success? NO.

Each team must play - and win - in games on their own merit. Playing in a tough conference can help a team get better by playing better competition, but there is no guarantee of doing so.

 

[lonedingo93]

It's just embarrassing for fan(s) to cower behind other teams.

 

[zipp]

Originally posted by mark62:
"Again, I don't get conference smack.

It's literally hiding behind other teams beating other teams in order to talk shit to a team you can't beat."

That's exactly what I think when I read these threads.Kinda like SEC football??

"Elite program", my a$$...