2330859 said:

Thanks Pushup; the issue is that ESPN has seeded UL 6th, not 5th. That is what I find disconcerting

Click to expand...

Bracket Set for 2025 Ally ACC Women's Basketball Tournament

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (theACC.com) – After the conference declared co-champions on the final day of the regular season Sunday, March 2, NC State will be the No. 1 seed in the 47th annual 2025 Ally ACC Women’s Basketball Tournament, which runs Wednesday, March 5, through Sunday, March 9 at First...

theacc.com

PushupMan said:

In the case of a 3-way tie where the head to head round robin is also tied, you go team by team down the standings to break the tie.

In this case, we start with the teams tied at the top of the standings (NC State and Notre Dame). UNC is 1-1 against those teams, having beaten NCSt. FSU is also 1-1, having beaten Notre Dame. UofL loses that tiebreaker and is eliminated because we went 0-3 against those teams.

The tiebreaker rules explicitly state that you do not break the ties before applying this rule, so the fact that NC State is the 1-seed and ND is the 2 doesn’t matter. Because they both finished 16-2, you consider all games UofL, FSU and UNC played against those two teams when applying this tiebreaker.

It is unfortunate for the UofL women that the tiebreaker doesn’t consider that the tie between NC State and Notre Dame is already broken, because if we just consider our games against NC State, UNC wins that tiebreaker and takes 4th, and UofL then gets 5th based on our head to head win over FSU.

Click to expand...

2330859 said:

Someone please explain why UL is 6th, as that is what ESPN’s regular season standings show this morning? UNC, UL and FSU each tied with conference records at 13-5. UL defeated FSU in their head to head matchup, FSU defeated UNC, and UNC defeated UL; so all three are 1-1 in that 3 way face off. be ahead of FSU.

It appears that UL “got the short end of the seeding process”, when examining all of the numerical available data that is published. NCST and ND tied with 16-2 conference records, but NCST gets #1 as a result of having defeated ND, despite all of the other numerical data favors ND. So what was used to determine that UNC and FSU each are above UL?

This leads me to the AP rankings, as I have yet to see any published Strength of Schedule ratings that at one time was used to play a significant influence in both rankings and seeding for tournaments. Just for those interested, no team in the ACC played as many games involving top 25 AP rated teams as UL, with 12 (4-8). UNC played 8, and FSU only played 6. ND comes closest with 11, while NCST only played 9.

Aside from ACC conference games, UL played UCLA, UConn, Oklahoma and UK. If you look at the AP rankings as of this morning, UL played 5 of the top 10 teams.

Click to expand...