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OK, it’s time to call out this staff

I'm not here to settle the argument but managing pitching staffs has been around for a long time. You have your starters, i.e guys who can give you 6-7 innings, middle relief both long (2-4 innings) and short relief (1-2) and then you have a closer or guy you trust to get the last outs. You typically are not going to pull a starter after 1 or 2 innings (at least not in the college game). Why? Because through fall and spring, you have determined who those guys are who can give you multiple innings. You don't just pull a guy and put the next guy in. You can do that like we did against VT and what happened? We had to pitch our weekday starter just to be able to try and win the game.

In the past, Dan and Roger have had the benefit of guys who could go long into the game, albeit throw 100-120 pitches, then bring in a short relief pitcher for an inning and then close with a Burdi. We haven't had that in a while and definitely don't have it now. Forbes has good stuff but for me he doesn't project as a starter. Sure he can give you 4-5 good innings but after the 3rd time through, hitters know he's only got the FB which starts as 98 but drops to 94-95 by the 5th inning and he really doesn't have good offspeed pitches to throw off the batters. Don't know about Dettmers but who knows maybe the workload as a starter is a reason for the injury?

Look at our #3 starter, Peter Michael. At first I thought Roger had worked a miracle. In 2023, Michael started 2 games and had a record of 0-1 with a 9.82 ERA. In 2024, he made 12 appearances, all in relief and no starts, with a record of 0-1 and ERA of 15.68. I kid you not.
So why did Roger and Dan think he was a starter? Maybe because they just didn't have enough confidence with other guys like Cutts and Hartman.

I think it was just coincidence that you think Dan made a pitching change when he did. Every guy is different. Some guys when they start to lose it have to be taken out right away. On Saturday before California made their comeback, he brought in Jack Brown and when he started to get in trouble, we didn't have anybody warming up fast enough to make a change. Why because they had confidence in Brown but he just didn't have it. If you pull a pitcher every time he walks a batter or gives up a hit, we would ruin the entire pitching staff. Pitching is all confidence, confidence in your stuff and confidence you can get the batter out.

Not Recruiting HS Players

Did it occur to you that Rick & the Johnnie’s “bad shooting night” might be a lot more about Calipari’s dominance over Rick? Sorry, but UL fans saw enough of Pitino vs Calipari to know how that would turn out.

As far as my comment about Clayton Jr leaving for home, I was only questioning how Rick could let arguably the best player in this tournament leave NY?

Lastly, do you know what Pitino said to Jr? I didn’t think so.
“Whenever he went to St. John’s, I was definitely thinking about that, and honestly, that was really the plan. But I ended up having a change and going home to visit my family,” Clayton told Paul Finebaum. “My daughter, she was due, and that was kind of another decision. I felt like I needed to be closer to home to be with my family and be with my girl. It was a great decision.”
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NCAAT Discussion Thread

Final 4 almost set. Unless Michigan State can pull another of its masterful comebacks it looks like for the first time in my memory all #1 seeds make the final 4.
Auburn lead is down to 5....so I'm not sure.

As much as I hate to say it, Duke is playing great basketball in all phases of the game.
Houston is definitely deserving.

This semi and title could be a barn burner.
2008 was the last time.

OK, it’s time to call out this staff

I think you are missing my point; it’s about making the change when witnessing your pitcher losing control. If you happen to be watching today’s game, CDM did exactly what I suggested in my OP; this time he made the change after witnessing 4 consecutive balls; 3 of which were wild pitches.

Admittedly, each situation is different, but to the contrary, it is what most managers and coaches do in that situation. I am curious, what do you think prompts a pitching change if not evidence of losing control?

Not Recruiting HS Players

Yea dang that free will that allowed Clayton to go back to Florida where he’s from instead of staying at Iona. Lmao “transferred under his nose” id bet Pitino told him to transfer out of iona and go get his money.

They had a terrible shooting night, it happens.
Did it occur to you that Rick & the Johnnie’s “bad shooting night” might be a lot more about Calipari’s dominance over Rick? Sorry, but UL fans saw enough of Pitino vs Calipari to know how that would turn out.

As far as my comment about Clayton Jr leaving for home, I was only questioning how Rick could let arguably the best player in this tournament leave NY?

Lastly, do you know what Pitino said to Jr? I didn’t think so.

NCAAT Discussion Thread

Final 4 almost set. Unless Michigan State can pull another of its masterful comebacks it looks like for the first time in my memory all #1 seeds make the final 4.
Auburn lead is down to 5....so I'm not sure.

As much as I hate to say it, Duke is playing great basketball in all phases of the game.
Houston is definitely deserving.

This semi and title could be a barn burner.
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Payton Verhulst

I think Peyton wanted to go somewhere where she would get more playing time and I don’t blame her. Everything snowballed on CJW you had Peyton and Zyanna Walker transfer out and CJW brings Curry in to run point. HVL saw that she wasn’t going to run point so she transfers out. CJW did a good job putting things back together enough to have a respectable year.
Now he needs to put things back together enough to make a run next year. We now have 5 ACC teams that have top 25 recruiting classes coming in next year. Things are going to get tougher so if the assistant coaches are doing their jobs coach might have to make some tough decisions.
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