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What is the weak spot on this team???

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I am wondering why UofL struggles sometimes. The Point Guards are doing well at controlling the game and not having too many turnovers. It sucks that Hicks got hurt, just when he was just starting to heat up. Besides Mitchell, we dont have a consistent reliable back up SHOOTING guard. The small forwards are doing a good job, since UofL really only has two, Deng and King. The power forwards are doing a great job, since we are able to rotate them in and out so often. The Center position really kills UofL most of time, since there is not a consistent, pure CENTER in scoring and rebounding.

I was looking at Anas Mahmoud stats with the past 6 games that UofL has lost:
an average of 20 minutes a game 3.8 pts 3.3 reb
UofL will not get far in the tournament with the starting center having stats like that
 
Anas isn't really a center IMO. He's not a true 5 because he doesn't have the strength to mix it up inside. He can't finish strong either, yet. He's getting stronger but he has a ways to go. Huge upside for the kid. I think he'll end up having a nice professional career either in the NBA or back overseas.

Right now the biggest weakness for the team is the inconsistency on both sides of the ball. Sometimes this team clicks on offense and looks unstoppable. Then its as if they've been robbed of their abilities to play in the flow of the game. Same goes for the defense. Sometimes they look amazingly strong on defense then at other times, they can't stop anyone for long stretches at a time. Inconsistent play. Period.
 
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I definitely think our weakness is in the post. Our bigs just haven't developed like Gorgui and Montrez did. I would have though that Anas and Mango would be on the NBA's doorstep by now but that just isn't the case. The scary thing is, they have the best teacher in college basketball and still aren't developing.
 
Inconsistency, lack of production from certain positions on any give night, not being on the same page team wise sometimes. Poor decision making at times and lack of good ball movement for easier/better shots. This team is also quite bad at holding leads or reverting back to one on one with leads instead of sticking with what got them the lead in the first place. Strange lack of good defense as of late.

Maybe uncertainty with rotations and who is or isn't getting minutes. Usually Pitino will shorten his rotation in the post season so we'll see who plays. This team could still go on a great run though. It will be interesting to see. Matchups will play a huge part in the post season.
 
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I cant wait for 1-2 years where Jaylen Johnson is an absolute monster.

And his sideman Spalding as well.

Mahmoud will be much better next year I think. I look for him to bulk up this summer.
 
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On ball defense...it's terrible. I heard someone say this is the fewest steals and deflections a Pitino team has had in some time. That's because they are always trying to rotate and recover for someone who got beat off the dribble. None of them have been very good guarding the ball, but Adel and Snider get abused off the dribble. If they want to make a run, they better pick up the defense. Giving up 80 is a recipe for disaster, especially for a Pitino coached team.
 
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I cant wait for 1-2 years where Jaylen Johnson is an absolute monster.

And his sideman Spalding as well.

Mahmoud will be much better next year I think. I look for him to bulk up this summer.
Jaylen is a junior. He has just 1 year left. Spalding is a sophomore and will have 2 years left. He has a good chance to grow as a player if he puts in the work. It's his choice.
 
This team as a whole lacks athletic ability they are laterally challenged except for maybe Mitchell and Ray King. And they are Definetly not basketball court efficient don't have that killer instinct. Which leads into non consistent play.
 
Jaylen is a junior. He has just 1 year left. Spalding is a sophomore and will have 2 years left. He has a good chance to grow as a player if he puts in the work. It's his choice.
Ray doesn't put in the work outside of priactice to become what his body looks like an eleite BB player. He does just enough in his mind until he gets that hunger to be an excellent BB player he will just be average. Jaylen is not starter type player he would be best suitied as a role player. I just don't like his game
 
At this point in the season they are who they are a inconsistent group and they ain't gonna change. NCAA tourney will end just because they are going to go into a game and have those scoring droughts and will not recover. Sad thing we will be pissed cause it's going to be to a team that we are better than period.
 
On ball defense...it's terrible. I heard someone say this is the fewest steals and deflections a Pitino team has had in some time. That's because they are always trying to rotate and recover for someone who got beat off the dribble. None of them have been very good guarding the ball, but Adel and Snider get abused off the dribble. If they want to make a run, they better pick up the defense. Giving up 80 is a recipe for disaster, especially for a Pitino coached team.

Agree. The on ball defense especially from Q (really not trying to knock Q, but it's the truth and hard to argue against) and the defensive rotation. The lateral quickness is just not there. The defensive numbers say one thing, but your eyes tell you something else.

We are used to seeing guys like Siva, Russ, Knowles, that other guy to go unamed lock people down.

Pitino has been saying it all year and teams have figured it out. Drive the ball on the Cards.

These guys are too quiet (less Mango and DM) and do not communicate well.

Does not mean they are not capable of making a run, but is one of their glaring weaknesses.

When this team is locked in on defense and following the scouting report, they are dangerous.

FYI - fully expect to see them locked in on defense today against ND. If not, they will drop another one.
 
Inconsistent.

Between the ACCT and NCAAT, they should watch films, videos of the past UofL teams;

75, 77, 80, 82,83,86,89, 93,94,97,05,08,09,12,13,14 16 teams.

Take it to the next level. There is no dominant team out there. Cards have a great opportunity to win the Title.

They all have to step their games up :mad:
 
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FREE THROW SHOOTING

Interesting. Three straight post about how much you know about our team specifically and basketball in general. You, sir, with all due respect, are full of $^*t. :rolleyes:

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!
 
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Interesting. Three straight post about how much you know about our team specifically and basketball in general. You, sir, with all due respect, are full of $^*t. :rolleyes:

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

Cards shot 18-22 against Wake. Can't get much better than that.
 
Coming from your opponents point of view (which I already know you guys could give to sh!ts about) from the game we played and the couple I've watched, is lack of a big bruiser down low to to the "dirty work" i.e. rebounding, posting up etc
 
Interesting. Three straight post about how much you know about our team specifically and basketball in general. You, sir, with all due respect, are full of $^*t. :rolleyes:

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!
Really dude you haven't watched this team shoot free throws all year have you?
 
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Cards shot 18-22 against Wake. Can't get much better than that.
Really dude you haven't watched this team shoot free throws all year have you?
s more of the same in the second half at UNC. Those misses added up to a 4-of-13 performance from the free-throw line by Louisville, a team that could not afford to miss scoring opportunities during a 74-63 loss that all but extinguished Louisville's chances of winning an ACC regular-season title.

For Louisville, it wasn't anything new. This has been a trying season from the free-throw line, and it has been the latest in a long run of poor free-throw shooting teams over the past 16 seasons. The Cards have made 68.4 percent of their free throws, a figure that ranks 231st in major college basketball and stands as the eighth time in 10 campaigns that U of L has shot worse than 70 percent from the foul line.

That percentage is falling by the game: Louisville is 204 of 306 from the charity stripe in ACC play, with the 13th-worst percentage (66.7) in the 15-team league.

How does that happen to a team that is shooting 46.2 percent from the field in league play, the fifth-best percentage among ACC teams?

How can a good shooter struggle shooting free throws?

"In a big-picture way, it's mechanics, not mental," said Gary Boren, the Dallas Mavericks' free-throw shooting coach who has been consulting college and professional coaches on free-throw shooting for two decades. "It's all individual, one on one: 'This guy's doing six or eight things wrong, this guy's only doing five things wrong,' but they're different."

This late in the season, with Louisville (22-6, 10-5 ACC) 28 games into its 31-game regular-season slate, it'll be hard for much to change, Boren said. Practicing and improving at free throws requires time and persistent effort, and that work starts the first day of the offseason.

"Some of these things are really hard to change," Boren said. "They've already done it wrong for thousands and thousands of shots (through a playing career). Muscle memory is locked in. Even if they want to change, it's hard to. It's certainly not an overnight proposition."

That doesn't bode well for U of L, which has hopes of making a run in the ACC tournament and returning to the Final Four for the third time since 2012.
Louisville does a lot of things well – it has a low turnover rate and a high rebounding percentage on offense and plays some of the best defense in the country – but consistent free-throw shooting can be the difference between a close loss and a close win.

"The good thing about free throws is that it's something you can work on," said Donovan Mitchell, who added that he took Ray Spalding to the gym to work on their foul shots as soon as they landed in Louisville after the loss at UNC.

Boren, seeking statistical evidence to prove the importance of free-throw shooting, recently asked the Mavericks' analytics department to comb through every regular-season and postseason NBA game over the past four seasons and find out how many games were within three points with less than a minute to play.

The answer surprised him: In each of the past four NBA seasons, more than 31 percent of regular-season games fit into that statistical category. The postseason numbers were similar.

At the college level, free-throw shooting is even more important because of the one-and-one rule. In 15 ACC games, Louisville has missed 18 front-end free throws in one-and-one situations.

"It's huge," Boren said. "All you have to do is look at the box score the next morning and these teams that have all these attempts – (U of L) had 30 attempts (at Syracuse) and only made 16? That's a whole bunch of points left on the table."

Is there a short-term solution for Louisville? More practice will help, Boren said, but only if it involves tweaking mechanics, something Pitino says he and his staff work on with their players.

Arc is the key starting point for a good foul shot, Boren said. Many players who struggle with foul shooting have flat-line shots.

Whatever the issue with Louisville's players, they don't have much time to figure it out. But it's important that they at least chip away at it. Those valuable points could be the difference between meeting high postseason expectations and, as Pitino put it, going on an early vacation.


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Cards shot 18-22 against Wake. Can't get much
The Cards have made 68.4 percent of their free throws, a figure that ranks 231st in major college basketball and stands as the eighth time in 10 campaigns that U of L has shot worse than 70 percent from the foul line.

That percentage is falling by the game: Louisville is 204 of 306 from the charity stripe in ACC play, with the 13th-worst percentage (66.7) in the 15-team league.
better than that.
 
I'd prefer contain instead of the risk taking,especially if you have guys on the back line that throw up phantom shot block attempts.
The problem is that "contain" means giving room to shooters, while closing the gap means that our defenders (sans Mitchell) are susceptible to getting beat off the bounce. The extra emphasis this on zero contact with the ball handler has changed the way that UofL is able to play defense and, it's going to be another year before these players are able to adjust enough to be really effective.
 
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The 2013 championship team hit 70.9% from the free throw line. Gorgui Dieng and SVT averaged 11.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2.8 blocks, and 2.2 TOs per game. Gorgui hit 53.4% and SVT 65.0% from the field.

This year's team is hitting 68.9% from the charity stripe. Mahmoud and Mathiang are averaging 13.1 points, 10.1 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, and 2.2 TOs per game. They're hitting a combined 55.1% from the field.

I'm not sure you could match up those stats from one year to another any better...
 
The 2013 championship team hit 70.9% from the free throw line. Gorgui Dieng and SVT averaged 11.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2.8 blocks, and 2.2 TOs per game. Gorgui hit 53.4% and SVT 65.0% from the field.

This year's team is hitting 68.9% from the charity stripe. Mahmoud and Mathiang are averaging 13.1 points, 10.1 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, and 2.2 TOs per game. They're hitting a combined 55.1% from the field.

I'm not sure you could match up those stats from one year to another any better...
The big difference may be Gorgui's ability to hit the elbow jumper - pulling out the opposing 5 and, opening up the middle for drivers - not to mention - negating the effectiveness of a 2-3 zone. Neither Anas nor Mangok (save that 1 shot vs UVA) have shown that ability.
 
I have asked myself this all season. It's like there is a piece missing or something. We need a consistent big man that's for sure, along with reliable free throw shooters.
 
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The problem is that "contain" means giving room to shooters, while closing the gap means that our defenders (sans Mitchell) are susceptible to getting beat off the bounce. The extra emphasis this on zero contact with the ball handler has changed the way that UofL is able to play defense and, it's going to be another year before these players are able to adjust enough to be really effective.
Right,catch 22.Maybe just play matchup then.
 
To make a tourney run, we need a fourth player from among Johnson, Spalding and Mahmoud to have the light bulb switched on. Mathiang is who he is.
 
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I am wondering why UofL struggles sometimes. The Point Guards are doing well at controlling the game and not having too many turnovers. It sucks that Hicks got hurt, just when he was just starting to heat up. Besides Mitchell, we dont have a consistent reliable back up SHOOTING guard. The small forwards are doing a good job, since UofL really only has two, Deng and King. The power forwards are doing a great job, since we are able to rotate them in and out so often. The Center position really kills UofL most of time, since there is not a consistent, pure CENTER in scoring and rebounding.

I was looking at Anas Mahmoud stats with the past 6 games that UofL has lost:
an average of 20 minutes a game 3.8 pts 3.3 reb
UofL will not get far in the tournament with the starting center having stats like that

Our big men have the worst hands. They cannot handle passes and lose more rebounds because of weak hands. They rarely get loose balls on the floor.
 
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Our big men have the worst hands. They cannot handle passes and lose more rebounds because of weak hands. They rarely get loose balls on the floor.
Does RP handle most of the coaching in practice for the bigs, or is it an assistant that works with the bigs during practices? As far as instructional advice/techniques/etc. on a positional level?
 
Does RP handle most of the coaching in practice for the bigs, or is it an assistant that works with the bigs during practices? As far as instructional advice/techniques/etc. on a positional level?

I believe assistant coach and former Card David Padgett handles most of it.
 
I believe assistant coach and former Card David Padgett handles most of it.
Hmmmm.... Thats seems to me like one of the best men for the job on any team. I'm assuming it just boils down to the talent of the individuals he's working with? Or maybe he just has a hard time relaying the knowledge he has to others, but I don't see that. Thanks for the info btw.
 
We're not talking Pitino Lite here... The Big Guy does all of the coaching when the entire team is involved. The assistants like Padgett handle individual instruction.

Pitino never looks at his assistants with his hands pointed upward...

john-calipari.jpg


"Elite program," my a$$...
 
Weakness is the coach. Pitino should have at least 2 more titles. It is what is is. He was a monster favorite in 1997 (Tubby won in 1998 with a substantially inferior team) and he
was the #1 overall seed in 2009 but he let Williams take over the team. You guys should be doing backflips for the Siva team.
 
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Weakness is the coach. Pitino should have at least 2 more titles. It is what is is. He was a monster favorite in 1997 (Tubby won in 1998 with a substantially inferior team) and he
was the #1 overall seed in 2009 but he let Williams take over the team. You guys should be doing backflips for the Siva team.
There's an illusion that Pitino recruited a huge number of blue chippers at LPT. He had four 5-star kids in his entire LPT tenure, fewer than Pitino Lite signs in one class.

The 97 team was missing possibly its best player (Anderson) in the postseason. You had two 5-star kids in Mercer and Turner, and they were both sophomores. Your eligible upperclassmen were seniors Epps and Prickett, and juniors Edwards and Mills. That's not uber-talented in an era prior to OAD kids.

Pitino's 09 team had one blue-chip upperclassman in Earl Clark. The other two 5-star kids we had were both freshmen, and freshmen seldom excel under Pitino. The Cards started the year ranked #3 in the AP poll, but were barely ranked in the Top 25 by the start of 2009. That team had plenty of promise heading into the tourney but was flawed by leadership at the top. And again, it wasn't loaded with a roster of experienced individual talent.

At his best, Pitino barely has talent on par with Duke or LPT in 2017. He wins by simply having better-than-average talent and coaching to make up the difference.

"Elite program," my a$$...
 
Weakness is the coach. Pitino should have at least 2 more titles. It is what is is. He was a monster favorite in 1997 (Tubby won in 1998 with a substantially inferior team) and he
was the #1 overall seed in 2009 but he let Williams take over the team. You guys should be doing backflips for the Siva team.
Methinks someone has reached his saturation point with all of the "cal sucks" comments - lol.
 
We're not talking Pitino Lite here... The Big Guy does all of the coaching when the entire team is involved. The assistants like Padgett handle individual instruction.

Pitino never looks at his assistants with his hands pointed upward...

john-calipari.jpg


"Elite program," my a$$...
That's not necessarily true. It is common knowledge that Rick still likes to do the individual one on one workouts.
 
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