Simple. Due process. Entitled to appeal or not. If you appeal, you need to bring a new perspective or something fresh or you are just wasting money. Obviously U of L feels they can do this.
Its kinda like having to cut your own switch thats about to be used to paint your backporch red.
So you were raised correctly as well? We are better men for it.
Yeah, right.
Maybe you can be a bit more specific. That link was primarily about the technical aspects of creating, running and dissolving a non-profit.
That's all case law. Too many non-lawyers like Rob act like it's statutorily defined that the NCAA can "do what it wants". I help manage an Indiana nonprofit, and I can tell you there's never been a good defense that starts with that sentence.
The NCAA is based in Indianapolis which is why I linked Indiana statutes. My guess is a lot of that code is common from state to state anyway...
Correct. That link was from my post. No "do what you want" language in there.
You just said this above, "The closest it comes is that you have to follow your own (by)laws. That is, no legislation on the fly as the NCAA is trying to do...".
So what was the value of the benefit, and what was the penalty. We'll see if there's a relationship or not...
This isn't criminal. In civil court--where it's headed--value matters.
The NCAA's definition of impermissible benefits DOES NOT require monetary value. Why are you hung up on something that doesn't exist. A judge will have no standing to change that definition. Are you going to acknowledge that no member institution has ever sued the NCAA over sanctions? No, the state of Pennsylvania sued, not Penn St. Penn St. was a defendant, not a plaintiff. In other words, Penn St. was on the same side as the NCAA. https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-joe-paterno-lawsuit-consent-decree/21723591/
You're either nuts or just a garden variety slappy...
Zero, the wins themselves have no value. There is value in money awards from the NCAA but that has nothing to do with impermissible benefits value.
No, it isn't by definition something of value. No value has been placed on the Notre Dame impermissible benefits. No value has been placed on the UNC impermissible benefits. This is the crux of your misunderstanding. Impermissible benefits require no value, it is simply something offered to student athletes that is not offered to the average student. Help with grades is an easy example. There is no direct monetary correlation. Both Syracuse and Notre Dame learned this the hard way.
I agree, and as far as I'm concerned, it won't have any impact on MY past as a Cardinals fan either. I have my stuff which I will CONTINUE to display showing the past championships and accomplishments. I just don't care what the NCAA has to say about it. It's mine. They can't and won't take it away from me.The thing for all UofL fans to keep in mind is that the proposed sanctions (other than Coach Pitino's proposed 5 ACC game suspension) involve vacating/removing official records of the past and have no effect or impact on the present or future. For sure, it will be a talking point for ages by rivals ( as evidenced by it currently being the only topic visitors, proclaiming they're here because they are "basketball fans", weigh in on here). But for the program, and the fans, it has no bearing on the present or future. Don't buy into the false narrative that this cloud is "bringing down the program". The program is being punished for past actions (justifiable IMHO) which will likely effect the record books, but have no impact on the present or future. Coach Pitino and the staff are currently enjoying some of the best recruiting the program has ever seen...and the future looks extremely bright. Looking forward to reaping the benefits of the recent recruiting successes.
So, if the NCAA did not declare a monetary value in the benefits case you cited, and the penalty of vacated wins has no value, that makes perfect sense. $0 on each side of the equation.
No it's not that simple... If I offer a handshake to a student-athlete for attending U of L, and I don't shake the hand of every other student on campus, is that an impermissible benefit? And even if it is, would the NCAA declare that athlete "ineligible" until he appeals for reinstatement? Of course not, because a handshake has little or no value.
Slapd!cks don't wanna accept that the difficulty or in some cases impossibility of quantifying value doesn't mean that something doesn't have value. Value is central to almost all civil cases. If I sue you for defamation, I also have to quantify what that damage to me has been. I may get a judgment for $1 if I can't. But no one in the courtroom reasons, as the slappies in this thread are trying to, that value doesn't matter. That's just the slapd!ck in you talking.
No, if I understood correctly, you said that neither the transgressions nor the penalty had value. Which makes perfect sense in a penalty-for-benefit value construct. And it hardly proves that "value is irrelevant."
