Indiana

[fredburgcard]

Was listening to College Sports channel on Sirus Radio this morning. They were discussing IU and the consensus was that the Hoosiers are in the playoffs regardless of what happens at Ohio State next week unless they also lose to Purdue. One commentator said that IU can’t be penalized for having a schedule with only one opponent in the top 40 (OSU).
Well they can be in my opinion because they chickened out of a game at Louisville this season. No one even brought that up.

 

[beantowncard]

Was listening to College Sports channel on Sirus Radio this morning. They were discussing IU and the consensus was that the Hoosiers are in the playoffs regardless of what happens at Ohio State next week unless they also lose to Purdue. One commentator said that IU can’t be penalized for having a schedule with only one opponent in the top 40 (OSU).
Well they can be in my opinion because they chickened out of a game at Louisville this season. No one even brought that up.

Schedule only affects teams like UofL. If you are B1G, it doesn’t matter b

 

[TheRealVille]

Was listening to College Sports channel on Sirus Radio this morning. They were discussing IU and the consensus was that the Hoosiers are in the playoffs regardless of what happens at Ohio State next week unless they also lose to Purdue. One commentator said that IU can’t be penalized for having a schedule with only one opponent in the top 40 (OSU).
Well they can be in my opinion because they chickened out of a game at Louisville this season. No one even brought that up.

Why can't they be penalized ? Makes no sense. Why isn't Army in the playoff? They're undefeated. What if they beat Notre Dame this weekend? Would that get them in?

Logic would say no, even with a win over the Irish. So how could a one loss IU make the playoff?

 

[PushupMan]

Why can't they be penalized ? Makes no sense. Why isn't Army in the playoff? They're undefeated. What if they beat Notre Dame this weekend? Would that get them in?

Logic would say no, even with a win over the Irish. So how could a one loss IU make the playoff?

Army would receive a massive boost with a win over Notre Dame. Army and Boise State would be ranked very close to each other for the G5 autobid spot.

IU is being penalized for their weak schedule, but they are also being rewarded for the multiple 2-TD+ wins over Big Ten teams like Nebraska, UCLA, Maryland, Michigan State, Washington and Northwestern.

 

[fredburgcard]

Army would receive a massive boost with a win over Notre Dame. Army and Boise State would be ranked very close to each other for the G5 autobid spot.

IU is being penalized for their weak schedule, but they are also being rewarded for the multiple 2-TD+ wins over Big Ten teams like Nebraska, UCLA, Maryland, Michigan State, Washington and Northwestern.

There’s a really slim possibility both Tulane/Army and Boise could both get in. The 5 auto bids are to the 5 highest ranked conference champs, not the power 4 champs and 1 group of five champ. For example say Louisville won its next two games but got blown out at UK but still qualified for ACC championship game in a 3 way tie with Clemson and Miami for second spot. They then beat SMU to win ACC. Meanwhile an undefeated AAC champ Army or Tulane and an undefeated MWC champ Boise are ranked above Louisville in the final rankings. They go to playoffs and Louisville stays home.

 

[TheRealVille]

Army would receive a massive boost with a win over Notre Dame. Army and Boise State would be ranked very close to each other for the G5 autobid spot.

IU is being penalized for their weak schedule, but they are also being rewarded for the multiple 2-TD+ wins over Big Ten teams like Nebraska, UCLA, Maryland, Michigan State, Washington and Northwestern.

Maybe Washington but not the others, especially Maryland and Northwestern.

IU is being considered because they're in the Big 10. If they were in the ACC and was undefeated but still ranked behind two other ACC conference teams, they wouldn't have a chance.

It's just IU's bad luck that the usual good teams on their Big 10 schedule are not very good. Forget about Penn State and Oregon. They didn't have to play Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, or Iowa. All bowl teams.

And it was bad timing that they got out of the Louisville game. They desperately needed that game win or loss. Imagine them losing to the Cards then beating OSU and playing Oregon for the Big 10 title. They would definitely be in the playoff even if they lost to Oregon.

But now, If they lose to OSU, they have no big win to counter it.

 

[2330859]

I disagree; any ACC team that is undefeated at this point in the schedule would be included in the BCS. Miami was right there prior to their unexpected loss to GT, and SMU would be “right there” had they not lost so early to BYU, as no one at that time recognized that BYU was as good as they are.

I have been no fan of the rankings over the years, as most of the love affair as been directed to the SEC, and to a bit lesser degree to the BIG. If by chance IU can beat OSU, they will obviously be deserving of their position right behind Oregon. If they lose, they could drop, but still be somewhere around the top 10 depending on how close they keep within the Buckeyes.

I believe Miami, SMU and the winner of the Pitt/Louisville contest will each be rewarded with top Bowl Invitations against formidable SEC/BIG a opponents and a chance to finish high in final AP Rankings if they win.

 

[CardHack]

I don't know that this factors in with the CFP committee, but there is no question that the SMU that looked so meh in the first three weeks with Stone at QB is far different than the one manned by Kevin Jennings.

...and I still don't know how to evaluate IU. They have beaten the brakes off of everybody but Michigan, but this is a Brady Hoke/RichRod level of Michigan. The Ohio State game will provide answers and believe it or not I'm hoping they win out despite scratching us from the schedule.

 

[AnotherCFD]

No way Indiana gets in the playoffs after they get blown out at OSU…nor do they deserve to. They will fall in place of a SEC team and rightfully so.

 

[Louis III]

Normally I would agree, but the SEC still has some beating up on each other to do. Tenn vs UGA. UGA loses they gone. And I am not sleeping on Texas at Ark and A&M at Auburn.

 

[glassmanJ]

No way Indiana gets in the playoffs after they get blown out at OSU…nor do they deserve to. They will fall in place of a SEC team and rightfully so.

not going to happen, will go down to the wire and OSU will start to tighten up under the pressure of possibility losing the game.

 

[nccardfan]

With so many 2 loss teams, not sure if even 1 loss would keep IU out of the playoffs.

 

[earsky]

With so many 2 loss teams, not sure if even 1 loss would keep IU out of the playoffs.

I think they'll need to give quite a good account of themselves and perhaps you're right.

 

[TheRealVille]

With so many 2 loss teams, not sure if even 1 loss would keep IU out of the playoffs.

No way IU gets in if they lose to OSU. They would have zero wins over a top 35 rated team. Maybe Michigan which IU only beat by 2.

I suppose if they lose 35 to 34 to OSU, some committee members would consider them?

 

[2330859]

Watch the spread; Vegas will provide some insight as to just how well respected this Hoosier football team is to those paid to know. Just my opinion, but an IU win along with SMU finishing with a clean sweep will help UL and so many other D1 teams obtain respect going forward. For too long, teams like Alabama, Michigan, OSU, Texas and Oregon receive automatic advantage for BCS consideration. The more teams like IU break the barrier, the better chances for UL and others to join in getting more respect in the polls that determine BCS qualification.

Despite our 3 losses; I will not be surprised that if we finish the rest of this regular season undefeated …….our Bowl invitation will be a Major one.

 

[Guardman]

If Cards finish undefeated STRONG, AND Miami, Clemson finish STRONG, Cards will get a great bowl, of the ones left

 

[ColdCard]

If IU losses to tOSU and they still make the playoffs every school should start refusing to play P5 opponets in the regular season. Their schedule is a joke.

 

[TheRealVille]

If IU losses to tOSU and they still make the playoffs every school should start refusing to play P5 opponets in the regular season. Their schedule is a joke.

Yeah, but it's only their non conference schedule that is a joke. That's just 3 games. In a big super conference like the Big 10 is now, a team can have a joke non conference schedule and still have a tough overall schedule.

When the conference schedule came out for IU they had newcomers like UCLA and Washington, along with OSU and Michigan. That cannot be called a joke schedule. IU couldn't help these normal powers would all have an off season.

Now I agree they probably shouldn't make the playoff if they lose to OSU, but it wasn't because their schedule was a joke, it was just an unlucky circumstance this season.

 

[ColdCard]

Yeah, but it's only their non conference schedule that is a joke. That's just 3 games. In a big super conference like the Big 10 is now, a team can have a joke non conference schedule and still have a tough overall schedule.

When the conference schedule came out for IU they had newcomers like UCLA and Washington, along with OSU and Michigan. That cannot be called a joke schedule. IU couldn't help these normal powers would all have an off season.

Now I agree they probably shouldn't make the playoff if they lose to OSU, but it wasn't because their schedule was a joke, it was just an unlucky circumstance this season.

Fair enough about the down years but I do think every P5 team should play another P5 team in non-conference or a respectable Independent.

 

[nccardfan]

Lets revisit this. Look, it's not like IU is taking a spot from us. Might have thought so at one time but not now. IU took advantage of a situation that now looks brilliant. Maybe if our AD had that foresight. Looking back, IU might have done us a favor. Can anyone with certainty say we would have beat IU or would Brohm have laid another turd? Hope not but wouldn't bet my house on it. Instead of 6-4, we could be 5-5 right now needing a win against Pitt and the kitties to get to 7-5. Might still get there but I'm hoping for 8-4.

 

[TheRealVille]

Fair enough about the down years but I do think every P5 team should play another P5 team in non-conference or a respectable Independent.

I think the thinking at IU was they were going to have a very difficult conference schedule with the above mentioned teams, so they wanted a fast start and playing a ranked non conference team so early in the schedule wasn't going to help that, so they canceled.

Of course in retrospect, that wasn't the right thing to do because there's no doubt they would have probably beaten Louisville, and those tough conference teams happened to be not so tough.

Which after Saturday, Louisville can be included as a not so tough opponent and beating the Cards would not have helped them get in if they lose to OSU.

 

[Rollem Cards]

This team, early season or late season, wants no part of IU.

if they hadn’t backed out we would have known what we know now a lot sooner.

 

[nccardfan]

This team, early season or late season, wants no part of IU.

if they hadn’t backed out we would have known what we know now a lot sooner.

We might have known based on how the season ended up last year and may not have realized it. I argued and argued with friends that Jeff coming home to Louisville would be different than his "win some big games, lose some that you shouldn't" tendencies. Looks like I'm the one who's been wrong. Maybe having local ties and history doesn't mean a thing. You either can coach or you can't...

Can you tell I'm frustrated....

 

[TheRealVille]

We might have known based on how the season ended up last year and may not have realized it. I argued and argued with friends that Jeff coming home to Louisville would be different than his "win some big games, lose some that you shouldn't" tendencies. Looks like I'm the one who's been wrong. Maybe having local ties and history doesn't mean a thing. You either can coach or you can't...

Can you tell I'm frustrated....

You and me both. It's incredible to me that Brohm continues to get upset by inferior teams the game after he defeats a superior team. It can't be coincidence.

I believe it's him concentrating more as a OC during the game than he is a HC. He knows his history of losing these games, yet he apparently hasn't learned anything from it, and I believe it's because he's looking at it as a OC and how he will win this time because of successful play calling.

The Stanford game is a perfect example of a HC not being the HC during the game. Most of his energy was calling the plays and arguing about those called plays. It's a tendency that now can't be ignored and will have to be remedied soon if he's going to succeed here.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

I think the thinking at IU was they were going to have a very difficult conference schedule with the above mentioned teams, so they wanted a fast start and playing a ranked non conference team so early in the schedule wasn't going to help that, so they canceled.

Of course in retrospect, that wasn't the right thing to do because there's no doubt they would have probably beaten Louisville, and those tough conference teams happened to be not so tough.

Which after Saturday, Louisville can be included as a not so tough opponent and beating the Cards would not have helped them get in if they lose to OSU.

Like with us last year, when other teams aren't performing and you are, that means you are the good team.
They're in a power league with a lot of talent. They are winning.

It's always "Michigan, Michigan State, and Washington are soooo down!" and when those teams are good and IU is bad, it's never about how Michigan has only played a team like IU and make it about IU being down.

If IU was getting lucky and such, I'd say they weren't great and all. But they're winning big. Like beating Nebraska 56-7, not a world beating Nebraska team but they blew out a Colorado team that's getting playoff chatter at the moment. No one else on Nebraska's schedule beat them that bad other than IU.

I hate IU for cancelling, but a lot of the Anti-IU talking points our own fans are hyping up are the same ones that will be used against us some day when we're in the running for a playoff spot.

 

[TheRealVille]

Like with us last year, when other teams aren't performing and you are, that means you are the good team.
They're in a power league with a lot of talent. They are winning.

It's always "Michigan, Michigan State, and Washington are soooo down!" and when those teams are good and IU is bad, it's never about how Michigan has only played a team like IU and make it about IU being down.

If IU was getting lucky and such, I'd say they weren't great and all. But they're winning big. Like beating Nebraska 56-7, not a world beating Nebraska team but they blew out a Colorado team that's getting playoff chatter at the moment. No one else on Nebraska's schedule beat them that bad other than IU.

I hate IU for cancelling, but a lot of the Anti-IU talking points our own fans are hyping up are the same ones that will be used against us some day when we're in the running for a playoff spot.

IU's 2 point win over Michigan? A Michigan team that lost by 20 to Washington.

We can do this dance all day. Currently, not one single team IU has beaten is bowl eligible. Some undoubtedly will win a 6th game, but IU should not sniff the playoff unless they beat OSU.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

IU's 2 point win over Michigan? A Michigan team that lost by 20 to Washington.

We can do this dance all day. Currently, not one single team IU has beaten is bowl eligible. Some undoubtedly will win a 6th game, but IU should not sniff the playoff unless they beat OSU.

Teams in the #5 through #13 spots in the Big 10 all have 3 and 4 wins. A lot of the Big Ten's issue is their middle teams are beating up on each other and you have 4 teams flat out dominating and separating. A lot of above average and good, but not a lot of great. They have been fortunate to have missed out on Oregon and Penn State, but they'll still play Ohio State.

It's not a great schedule at all, but they're beating quality teams. I don't put too much stock into rankings and such, because it's really based on record and where you were in the preseason. Go look at most years, Ohio State/Michigan will play each other plus Penn State and the rest of their schedule isn't scary in terms of record and rankings. But they're good teams. And their resumes never get picked apart like IU's had.

I don't think IU is some amazing team, but I'd also say look at Miami, SMU, and Clemson at the top of our league. They've gotten a pretty easy ride for most of their schedule.

You can only beat the teams in front of you. IU has handled the teams they should. They survived the close one against Michigan to pick up a quality win. I'm not saying they're great, but they have as good a case as anyone. In this new era, no one can really cry. The system generally should make sure the top 5 teams get in and everyone else is just filler.

 

[Louis III]

Let me start by saying I cant stand IU, but I encourage some of you hating on them to go and compare Oregon or Texas or SMU. Look at their wins. Texas best wins, I think, are Oklahoma and Vandy who are 11-9 combined. With conferences going away from divisions, you are going to start having this. Hell look at Miami! Teams are going to go 11-1 or 10-2 bc of a soft schedule and everyone around them will beat up on each other and you just have to be there to take advantage of it. Its honestly dangerously close to where we would have been if the 12 team playoff started last year! I'll say it again, you want a true top 12, let vegas run the analysis with all teams on a neutral field! UGA is on the edge and how many of us think they wouldnt be favored against 8 or 9 of the current top 12?!?

 

[LeFors4Ever]

Let me start by saying I cant stand IU, but I encourage some of you hating on them to go and compare Oregon or Texas or SMU. Look at their wins. Texas best wins, I think, are Oklahoma and Vandy who are 11-9 combined. With conferences going away from divisions, you are going to start having this. Hell look at Miami! Teams are going to go 11-1 or 10-2 bc of a soft schedule and everyone around them will beat up on each other and you just have to be there to take advantage of it. Its honestly dangerously close to where we would have been if the 12 team playoff started last year! I'll say it again, you want a true top 12, let vegas run the analysis with all teams on a neutral field! UGA is on the edge and how many of us think they wouldnt be favored against 8 or 9 of the current top 12?!?

Evolution!

1. We just want a game! Let us crown an actually champion

2. 2 teams judged by a computer? Not enough. There’s always another team with a case that gets left out.

3. Ok 4 teams is cool, but there’s always a conference champion left out. Sometimes it’s not fair when one team is left out. We need to prove it.


I think if the system gets the 5-6 best teams in there, then it’s a fair system. If it’s 12, then the 13-15 teams will feel cheated. No matter how many we add. There will be people upset.

If IU gets in, it doesn’t bother me. The clear best few teams will be getting in no matter what. The system we have now isn’t ever going to be perfect, but it’s finally at a point where we can have the best teams play and crown a true champion.

 

[TheRealVille]

Teams in the #5 through #13 spots in the Big 10 all have 3 and 4 wins. A lot of the Big Ten's issue is their middle teams are beating up on each other and you have 4 teams flat out dominating and separating. A lot of above average and good, but not a lot of great. They have been fortunate to have missed out on Oregon and Penn State, but they'll still play Ohio State.

It's not a great schedule at all, but they're beating quality teams. I don't put too much stock into rankings and such, because it's really based on record and where you were in the preseason. Go look at most years, Ohio State/Michigan will play each other plus Penn State and the rest of their schedule isn't scary in terms of record and rankings. But they're good teams. And their resumes never get picked apart like IU's had.

I don't think IU is some amazing team, but I'd also say look at Miami, SMU, and Clemson at the top of our league. They've gotten a pretty easy ride for most of their schedule.

You can only beat the teams in front of you. IU has handled the teams they should. They survived the close one against Michigan to pick up a quality win. I'm not saying they're great, but they have as good a case as anyone. In this new era, no one can really cry. The system generally should make sure the top 5 teams get in and everyone else is just filler.

I understand where you're coming from about playing the teams on your schedule. However, it doesn't change the underlying fact that IU has not beaten anybody. You can't call Michigan a quality win. Just because of their pedigree?

They're going to finish 6 and 6 and haven't beaten anyone good. Michigan is not a quality win for a top 5 team.

Some of the middle big 10 teams you referred to are teams IU beating could have been quality wins like Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and USC. However, the Hoosiers played more of the bottom teams like Northwestern, Purdue, Maryland, UCLA and Nebraska.

I think their best win was against Washington. I would consider that a quality win.

IU for me has to beat OSU to deserve a playoff bid but if two loss teams lose a 3rd game, then IU will be picked unless they get rolled by OSU.