Cards getting 6 points to ND

[TheRealVille]

Well there ya go. That daunting ND offense a TD favorite over the Cards. It's ridiculous.

Regardless of what happens in this game, no way should ND be -6 against Louisville. Almost every metric points to a 1 to 3 point spread with the home field advantage being ND's best metric.

But the illusion of ND football apparently has been inflicted on Vegas.

Tell me, who is the Irish's likely NFL offensive players? Leonard? Please. What about at WR and RB? What is it exactly that keeps people believing this a top 16 team, because results on the field apparently don't matter?

I know they have many 4 and 5 star dudes, but I ask again, what exactly about them makes its opponents fearful? Northern Illinois, the mighty MAC team who got ranked for beating ND wasn't scared. I mean ND isn't Buffalo, who took down Northern Illinois Saturday.

Yes, Louisville has played only one real team so far, but they covered the 10.5 spread in that win over GT. ND does not have the offense or QB as good as GT.

Defenders of ND will talk about the defense, but isn't the Cards defense just as strong and maybe even better? Which defense in this game will have its hands more full with the offense?

I was thinking the line should be -1.5 either way. ND has the home field advantage as well as the striped shirts advantage. They don't have the better talent advantage in my opinion.

But we'll see. The line should move down by gameday.

 

[CardX]

6 points seems a little high. I think people see UofL isn't great against a mobile QB. The Irish have one of those. Plus, we are now down a WR, as Thompson has been ruled out for the year. The Irish have been on easy street since their home loss to NIU. Brohm knows how to beat them. I have no doubt it will be a competitive game.

 

[TheRealVille]

A mobile QB who's a passing threat. Riley Leonard has yet to show that. I think facing Haynes King the game before really helps the Louisville defense for Leonard, who will run the ball.

Thompson being out doesn't hurt with Lacy coming back. Cards are deep at WR. Looking at this game, a low scoring affair is the way for ND. If Louisville scores a couple TD's early, ND will be in catch-up mode and that's not where they want to be.

Brohm has been pretty conservative so far with the offense in terms of creativity. I'm thinking he's going to go for some big plays early in the game to force ND to risk more on offense to keep up. That's what this Louisville defense wants.

I'm confident the Cards are the better team but that doesn't always mean much. If the game comes down to the last possession, I won't be as confident.

 

[PushupMan]

Well there ya go. That daunting ND offense a TD favorite over the Cards. It's ridiculous.

Regardless of what happens in this game, no way should ND be -6 against Louisville. Almost every metric points to a 1 to 3 point spread with the home field advantage being ND's best metric.

But the illusion of ND football apparently has been inflicted on Vegas.

Tell me, who is the Irish's likely NFL offensive players? Leonard? Please. What about at WR and RB? What is it exactly that keeps people believing this a top 16 team, because results on the field apparently don't matter?

I know they have many 4 and 5 star dudes, but I ask again, what exactly about them makes its opponents fearful? Northern Illinois, the mighty MAC team who got ranked for beating ND wasn't scared. I mean ND isn't Buffalo, who took down Northern Illinois Saturday.

Yes, Louisville has played only one real team so far, but they covered the 10.5 spread in that win over GT. ND does not have the offense or QB as good as GT.

Defenders of ND will talk about the defense, but isn't the Cards defense just as strong and maybe even better? Which defense in this game will have its hands more full with the offense?

I was thinking the line should be -1.5 either way. ND has the home field advantage as well as the striped shirts advantage. They don't have the better talent advantage in my opinion.

But we'll see. The line should move down by gameday.

What gives me pause about our chances is that, in our first real test against a quality defense, we were very one dimensional. Tech stoned our running game. We will need to be more efficient at running the ball this week against ND to get the W. Cannot expect to get 2 defense/special teams TDs every week.

 

[Mayoman]

The legendary Irish home field advantage will be more than 3-4 points. Include the striped guys and it will be more like 8-10 JMHO.

Cards can afford few to zero TO's and must get the first score of the game and build on the lead by at least 3 each quarter if not 6. If it is close in the last 3-5 minutes the Rockne curse will raise its ugly head and all goes out the door.

My heart wants the Cards to go in there and take away the win...my head tells me ND can't afford to lose and they will fight, fight, fight like crazy to steal the W from the Cards. It will go down to who scores last. Got to have a lot of balls bouncing Cards way to win this one. Not too confident of that right now.

 

[ajgcardman]

Well there ya go. That daunting ND offense a TD favorite over the Cards. It's ridiculous.

Regardless of what happens in this game, no way should ND be -6 against Louisville. Almost every metric points to a 1 to 3 point spread with the home field advantage being ND's best metric.

But the illusion of ND football apparently has been inflicted on Vegas.

Tell me, who is the Irish's likely NFL offensive players? Leonard? Please. What about at WR and RB? What is it exactly that keeps people believing this a top 16 team, because results on the field apparently don't matter?

I know they have many 4 and 5 star dudes, but I ask again, what exactly about them makes its opponents fearful? Northern Illinois, the mighty MAC team who got ranked for beating ND wasn't scared. I mean ND isn't Buffalo, who took down Northern Illinois Saturday.

Yes, Louisville has played only one real team so far, but they covered the 10.5 spread in that win over GT. ND does not have the offense or QB as good as GT.

Defenders of ND will talk about the defense, but isn't the Cards defense just as strong and maybe even better? Which defense in this game will have its hands more full with the offense?

I was thinking the line should be -1.5 either way. ND has the home field advantage as well as the striped shirts advantage. They don't have the better talent advantage in my opinion.

But we'll see. The line should move down by gameday.

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

About what I expected. Also, this is what the public thinks, not "Vegas." The sports book just maintains the spread to get 50% on each side of the bet...

 

[ajgcardman]

Actually, Vegas didn’t set the line at 6, it opened at ND-3.5. This is basically an “even” line with home field advantage and a 1/2 point “hook” to draw some “underdog” action because they felt ND would receive the most action at -3.

They were right, as most of the early money has went on the Irish. To entice more Card action, the line has moved rather significantly to -6, suggesting very little $$ has been bet on the Cards.

Remember, the opening line is not what Vegas thinks that team will win/lose by, but how they think the general public perceives the matchup. Their goal is to achieve 50-50 distribution of wagering on both sides to insure a profit off the juice.

 

[ajgcardman]

About what I expected. Also, this is what the public thinks, not "Vegas." The sports book just maintains the spread to get 50% on each side of the bet...

You beat me to it Zipp.

 

[TheRealVille]

I stand corrected even though I was using "Vegas" for something I wasn't sure was called.

 

[wreckcard#22]

My feeling is the GT line will end up being the best we face all season against the run. They don't get pressure and the d backs are a liability, so we had to adjust. ND will have much better backs and get some pressure, so short to medium passing with a solid run commitment will get us the W. Our D will be disruptive, as it was against King (who's legs were the bigger threat). Cap that with some very solid special teams and cleaning up some penalties, I think its more UofL -6 in my eyes.

I don't bet on my Cards though...I did pick up some cash on the silly Miami +4 yesterday though. No Tua? Fins are just bad.

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

I do think the GT defense is pretty legit. Not worried about the offense yet...

 

[beantowncard]

I’ll take those points.

 

[SpotHogCard]

I do think the GT defense is pretty legit. Not worried about the offense yet...

GT is 19th at stopping the run and we are 18th.

I tried but could not find ND in the top 50 for rushing defense.

I say we take one on the road and ND drops 1 spot LOL

 

[TheRealVille]

What gets me more than anything is the home loss to Northern Illinois as 28 point favorites. It's like that game didn't happen or mattered. It wasn't some fluke upset due to wild plays with crazy turnovers or special teams touchdowns.

UNI beat them in a smashmouth low scoring game. Where was the huge talent advantage ND has? UNI got ranked for beating the Irish and then lost their next game at home to Buffalo.

Now with this knowledge shouldn't the ND loss to UNI prove that ND is average at best? Yet, ND is a TD favorite over the 15th ranked team. It makes no sense. Had Louisville lost at home to UNI they would have fell all the way out of the top 20.

Does anyone believe if it was ND that gave up 70 points to James Madison, they would still be ranked anyway?

Anything can happen with these games and I do believe it will probably be a close game, but it doesn't mean ND should be a 6 point favorite. That is total disrespect for Louisville football or it's a bias for Notre Dame. Probably both.

 

[Rollem Cards]

The way games have been so screwy this year, I’m more worried about “just win” than the spread. 🤷‍♂️

Beat em first, win some money if you’re a true believer, then bitch. 🤣

 

[TheRealVille]

Not concerned about winning money on the Cards. I mostly never bet on the Cards. It's the perception that a betting line gives I'm referring to, and that perception that ND is a touchdown better than UofL makes no sense...to me.

I'm sure most ND fans do not agree.

 

[Knucklehank1]

I almost never bet Cards games but I bet the Cards straight up in this game. We are better than them offensively and we have a coaching advantage.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

It’s also our first road game. ND will be fired up to play us. That’s not going to be easy. I think the spread is high, but let’s also factor in we have a good bit of injuries too. We’re not going in there 100%

 

[CardsFirst]

A mobile QB who's a passing threat. Riley Leonard has yet to show that. I think facing Haynes King the game before really helps the Louisville defense for Leonard, who will run the ball.

Thompson being out doesn't hurt with Lacy coming back. Cards are deep at WR. Looking at this game, a low scoring affair is the way for ND. If Louisville scores a couple TD's early, ND will be in catch-up mode and that's not where they want to be.

Brohm has been pretty conservative so far with the offense in terms of creativity. I'm thinking he's going to go for some big plays early in the game to force ND to risk more on offense to keep up. That's what this Louisville defense wants.

I'm confident the Cards are the better team but that doesn't always mean much. If the game comes down to the last possession, I won't be as confident.

We’ve actually played two teams with running QBs so that issue should be shored up. And we’ve lost Thompson, but we get Lacy back; well I hope!

 

[TheRealVille]

It’s also our first road game. ND will be fired up to play us. That’s not going to be easy. I think the spread is high, but let’s also factor in we have a good bit of injuries too. We’re not going in there 100%

ND has injuries as well. All football teams have injuries so all teams are not 100 percent? I disagree with the notion Cards are not 100 percent. Thompson is not the best WR, Turner is not the best RB.

We pretty much know the only position that would mean not 100 percent is at QB. Brohm has not established a backup QB that can be trusted to perform well enough to win. Cards have good depth everywhere else.

As for ND being fired up, so what? Louisville will be fired up as well. This game comes down to who has the better team and I believe that is Louisville. That doesn't guarantee victory of course, but I will be highly disappointed if the Cards lose. If we can't win road games against overhyped teams like ND, a ACC championship or playoff appearance will not happen.

 

[AnotherCFD]

If Louisville can’t go in and better what Northern Illinois did then we need a refund.

Cards 24
Irish 17

 

[earsky]

Don't forget about Riley. He's a game day decision. We're not 100 percent, maybe 99.74😅

 

[Rollem Cards]

I don’t understand the concern about the spread.
If you’re not betting, it makes no difference.

It’s ND.

If we win, they spin.

Keep winning, on a REGULAR basis, and they can’t “disrespect” us forever if that matters.

We lose? It just puts us deeper in their minds.

Regardless the spread.

An aside….some of our best teams ever were “disrespected”.

Disrespect has traditionally been very good to us.

 

[TheRealVille]

It's not about the actual spread number, it's how that number came to be that I question. And I'm more than ready to throw away the we play better when disrespected mantra. That's why I disagree this notion ND is a touchdown better team than UoL.

This program shouldn't be disrespected anymore. Don't know about you, but my forever is a lot shorter so I'm done with the disrespected label in order to win. It's time this program is expected to beat average teams on the road, even if the name of one of those teams is Notre Dame.

 

[earsky]

Somebody said the spread opened at +3.5 but all I could find was +10. I'm curious which one it actually is...anybody?

 

[UKCoachesGraveyard]

Where can I get +10?

 

[LeFors4Ever]

ND has injuries as well. All football teams have injuries so all teams are not 100 percent? I disagree with the notion Cards are not 100 percent. Thompson is not the best WR, Turner is not the best RB.

We pretty much know the only position that would mean not 100 percent is at QB. Brohm has not established a backup QB that can be trusted to perform well enough to win. Cards have good depth everywhere else.

As for ND being fired up, so what? Louisville will be fired up as well. This game comes down to who has the better team and I believe that is Louisville. That doesn't guarantee victory of course, but I will be highly disappointed if the Cards lose. If we can't win road games against overhyped teams like ND, a ACC championship or playoff appearance will not happen.

With red colored glasses yes, with Vegas they’re thinking green.

Were hurt at RB.

Yes, Thompson isn’t our best wideout, but pair that with not having Lacy

Then factor in Quincy Riley, if you think that’s not a huge impact then that means he isn’t great.

We’re not a team that can afford losses.

And FYI, I’m leaning on picking us to win. But rationally there are good reasons for this spread. Vegas isn’t always right, but I trust them to not be biased when millions of dollars are on the line.

 

[TheRealVille]

With red colored glasses yes, with Vegas they’re thinking green.

Were hurt at RB.

Yes, Thompson isn’t our best wideout, but pair that with not having Lacy

Then factor in Quincy Riley, if you think that’s not a huge impact then that means he isn’t great.

We’re not a team that can afford losses.

And FYI, I’m leaning on picking us to win. But rationally there are good reasons for this spread. Vegas isn’t always right, but I trust them to not be biased when millions of dollars are on the line.

I didn't know Riley was questionable, but I still disagree with you that this team can't afford injury losses. Louisville is very deep and they have 90 percent of their top players available. And Lacey could be back.

There's not enough injury issues to influence the odds makers that much. ND has 2 starting OL out. If they were playing would the line be -9 for ND?

And I'm not saying the line is biased for ND. I'm saying it's a disrespect for Louisville football however that manifests itself. ND gets the benefit of the doubt, UofL doesn't.

Had ND beat UNI and was undefeated, they would currently be in the top 5 and probably favored by 10 over Louisville. Looking at their team and their stats, it would have to be one of the most ridiculous ranking in college football history.

There is nothing rational about ND being a TD favorite over Louisville.

 

[earsky]

Where can I get +10?

You can't anymore. If what I saw was right,early betters hammered the Cards down to whatever it is now. Jmo,but if it did open at 10,I don't really like that.

I'm not willing to take a whole lot of stock from that NI loss. It's irrelevant now,as the Irish are playing like a wounded animal,we're dinged up and it's a road game. It's gonna take a masterful gameplan by JB and a monumental effort from some guys we wouldn't expect to see it from.
Next man up!

 

[TheRealVille]

You can't anymore. If what I saw was right,early betters hammered the Cards down to whatever it is now. Jmo,but if it did open at 10,I don't really like that.

I'm not willing to take a whole lot of stock from that NI loss. It's irrelevant now,as the Irish are playing like a wounded animal,we're dinged up and it's a road game. It's gonna take a masterful gameplan by JB and a monumental effort from some guys we wouldn't expect to see it from.
Next man up!

Really? Playing like a wounded animal?

ND just beat Miami of Ohio 28 to 3. They had 2 turnovers, 60 yards in penalties and barely over 400 yards of offense. Leonard finally threw his first TD pass.

It's so typical to throw out the UNI loss because that's what has been done because it's ND. The Irish are an average football team who in my opinion shouldn't be ranked at all. They beat another average team in Texas A&M and that's it. They're not playing well yet they're favored by a TD over a ranked team who is playing well?

Monumental effort? No, that will be when the Cards play Miami, a team that is playing very well. ND had a better team last season and the Cards handled them with a lesser QB.

Of course I can be wrong and ND could play their best game yet. Anything can happen, but I expect to see a Cards victory.

 

[Rollem Cards]

I’ll wear the “disrespect” cloak as long as it works.

Like the old saying “Call me whatever you want as long as you call me to dinner”.

Last thing I want is to get beat as favorites.

THAT will not earn us any respect.

I think the line is what it is because it’s ND.

The elites ALWAYS get built up, then excused when they fall.

But, it’s a good discussion. Everybody has different ideas!

 

[AnotherCFD]

Y

I’ll wear the “disrespect” cloak as long as it works.

Like the old saying “Call me whatever you want as long as you call me to dinner”.

Last thing I want is to get beat as favorites.

THAT will not earn us any respect.

I think the line is what it is because it’s ND.

The elites ALWAYS get built up, then excused when they fall.

But, it’s a good discussion. Everybody has different ideas!

Beating ND won’t do much for us because they will say ND is the next FSU. We are Louisville, we have to run the table, and then they will say our schedule was weak.

 

[earsky]

Really? Playing like a wounded animal?

ND just beat Miami of Ohio 28 to 3. They had 2 turnovers, 60 yards in penalties and barely over 400 yards of offense. Leonard finally threw his first TD pass.

It's so typical to throw out the UNI loss because that's what has been done because it's ND. The Irish are an average football team who in my opinion shouldn't be ranked at all. They beat another average team in Texas A&M and that's it. They're not playing well yet they're favored by a TD over a ranked team who is playing well?

Monumental effort? No, that will be when the Cards play Miami, a team that is playing very well. ND had a better team last season and the Cards handled them with a lesser QB.

Of course I can be wrong and ND could play their best game yet. Anything can happen, but I expect to see a Cards victory.

Sorry I triggered you mate 😅
Not here to argue with UofL fans,so bet the mortgage by all means. Seems a little fishy,huh?

 

[earsky]

Last thing I want is to get beat as favorites.

THAT will not earn us any respect.

Couldn't agree more. These games as underdogs are the ones that get the respect.

 

[TheRealVille]

Sorry I triggered you mate 😅
Not here to argue with UofL fans,so bet the mortgage by all means. Seems a little fishy,huh?

You didn't trigger me. No one has. I knew before the line came out ND was going to be respected over Louisville. I was prepared to make this point when the line came out at - 6. It's just ridiculous.

And I'm not going to bet the game. I don't like betting on the Cardinals for obvious reasons. Who wants to be twice as mad when your team loses?

So far, most media pundits like Louisville in this game and it's for the reasons I've stated. They're not actually saying it, but they're asking how is ND favored by a TD?

 

[J_Lewis0117]

ND has injuries as well. All football teams have injuries so all teams are not 100 percent? I disagree with the notion Cards are not 100 percent. Thompson is not the best WR, Turner is not the best RB.

We pretty much know the only position that would mean not 100 percent is at QB. Brohm has not established a backup QB that can be trusted to perform well enough to win. Cards have good depth everywhere else.

As for ND being fired up, so what? Louisville will be fired up as well. This game comes down to who has the better team and I believe that is Louisville. That doesn't guarantee victory of course, but I will be highly disappointed if the Cards lose. If we can't win road games against overhyped teams like ND, a ACC championship or playoff appearance will not happen.

I’ve been wondering about Pierce. Does anyone know how he’s been progressing? Is he on track to potentially step in at quarterback next year? If Brohm goes and gets another transfer QB, I don’t think that’s a good sign

 

[TheRealVille]

I’ll wear the “disrespect” cloak as long as it works.

Like the old saying “Call me whatever you want as long as you call me to dinner”.

Last thing I want is to get beat as favorites.

THAT will not earn us any respect.

I think the line is what it is because it’s ND.

The elites ALWAYS get built up, then excused when they fall.

But, it’s a good discussion. Everybody has different ideas!

Last thing I want is to get beat...period.

What I'm saying is I want Louisville to do what Clemson did. Go from a good consistent winner to a perennial national championship contender.

The underdog, disrespected years I want to be gone now that we may have a career head coach with Brohm. If Jeff stays and doesn't look elsewhere, this program has that chance to be elite.

I think we're on the precipice of this so when I see an average ND team a touchdown favorite, it pisses me off a bit. But it's all good. I know there's Cards fans that are ND fans as well. I hope it's a clean game with no serious injuries.

Go Cards!

 

[LeFors4Ever]

Last thing I want is to get beat...period.

What I'm saying is I want Louisville to do what Clemson did. Go from a good consistent winner to a perennial national championship contender.

The underdog, disrespected years I want to be gone now that we may have a career head coach with Brohm. If Jeff stays and doesn't look elsewhere, this program has that chance to be elite.

I think we're on the precipice of this so when I see an average ND team a touchdown favorite, it pisses me off a bit. But it's all good. I know there's Cards fans that are ND fans as well. I hope it's a clean game with no serious injuries.

Go Cards!

Clemson was a bit ahead of us though in terms of history, support, and recruiting area. They were more of an underachieving sleeping giant. They've had expectations where their fans thought they should consistently be competing with the top dogs in the country, they just weren't doing well. A head coach can't simply do it, Dabo wasn't an X's and O's genius, he just had the resources and was at the right place at the right time.

They had a program with some history and had some high expectations. They didn't think they'd be able to get where they were, but they were consistently ranked and winning 8-9 games consistently before Dabo arrived. Not to mention a legit national title in 1981. Now maybe we've been consistent, but Clemson had a lot more money and fan support behind them for a while, they were just underachieving. They've played in an 80,000-seat stadium for a while.

They're also in prime recruiting area too. Their rise also was around the time Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, & South Carolina began to slip. Not to mention Virginia Tech, FSU, and Miami all had big slides in the ACC during their run of dominance. They had a perfect storm of things.

For us to make that kind of jump, it's more than just 1 head coach being great. It takes a lot of factors. Clemson before this run with Dabo was averaging close to 80k in attendance. Clemson was still usually a top 15-20 recruiting ranking team, a lot of NFL talent. Where we're a fanbase that's getting 50k per game and we aren't really in the best territory for recruiting. Dabo was able to use their larger budget to hire the top coordinators and assistants to run his team too, we have NIL money and good donations but we've never had the budget like a Clemson for a top notch staff like that. Clemson's OC Garrett Riley makes $1.7 million per years, whereas Brian Brohm and Ron English make $1.4 million combined(700k a piece), Clemson's top position assistant coach makes $900k.

Those are just harder hills Jeff Brohm has to climb compared to what Dabo faced. Clemson is more like a job where the right guy at the right time could win titles, where Louisville it takes a special guy like Jeff and some breaks to go our way to even get close to contention for a year or 2 maybe.

 

[TheRealVille]

Clemson was a bit ahead of us though in terms of history, support, and recruiting area. They were more of an underachieving sleeping giant. They've had expectations where their fans thought they should consistently be competing with the top dogs in the country, they just weren't doing well. A head coach can't simply do it, Dabo wasn't an X's and O's genius, he just had the resources and was at the right place at the right time.

They had a program with some history and had some high expectations. They didn't think they'd be able to get where they were, but they were consistently ranked and winning 8-9 games consistently before Dabo arrived. Not to mention a legit national title in 1981. Now maybe we've been consistent, but Clemson had a lot more money and fan support behind them for a while, they were just underachieving. They've played in an 80,000-seat stadium for a while.

They're also in prime recruiting area too. Their rise also was around the time Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, & South Carolina began to slip. Not to mention Virginia Tech, FSU, and Miami all had big slides in the ACC during their run of dominance. They had a perfect storm of things.

For us to make that kind of jump, it's more than just 1 head coach being great. It takes a lot of factors. Clemson before this run with Dabo was averaging close to 80k in attendance. Clemson was still usually a top 15-20 recruiting ranking team, a lot of NFL talent. Where we're a fanbase that's getting 50k per game and we aren't really in the best territory for recruiting. Dabo was able to use their larger budget to hire the top coordinators and assistants to run his team too, we have NIL money and good donations but we've never had the budget like a Clemson for a top notch staff like that. Clemson's OC Garrett Riley makes $1.7 million per years, whereas Brian Brohm and Ron English make $1.4 million combined(700k a piece), Clemson's top position assistant coach makes $900k.

Those are just harder hills Jeff Brohm has to climb compared to what Dabo faced. Clemson is more like a job where the right guy at the right time could win titles, where Louisville it takes a special guy like Jeff and some breaks to go our way to even get close to contention for a year or 2 maybe.

Well, regardless of the example I used, Louisville can achieve elite status in my opinion if Jeff Brohm stays on for 10+ years. It won't be exactly like Clemson or any other program, but good enough to stop being a hunter program and be a hunted program.

I don't enjoy being the disrespected team that needs to be overlooked to win against great programs. I want to stroll into Notre Dame and remind them that there's a new elite program in the ACC.