For those attacking Ramsey and Jurich

[83UofLCards83]

Are you saying there are special tax laws rhat apply to Louisville that don’t apply to Northern Kentucky, Lexington, etc. ?

Of course not, but Lexington and Northern Kentucky are not only getting back half of their tax revenue. Are you really going to sit here and tell me it's fair the the city of Louisville only gets half of their tax revenue back?

 

[billoliver40]

And you think the state of Kentucky could stand without the city of Louisville? Are you that naive and arrogant?

Oh and BTW, international cities like Hong Kong, Tokyo, London and Dubai say hello. Cities who stand by themselves!

Neither naive and never been accused of arrogance (just to point out I wasn't the one speaking of a stand alone city)
Please look at those cities you listed and describe in what way does Louisville equate to them in population, international economic stance or technology.
Louisville is a vital part of the state. No less.

 

[CardsFirst]

I wish we could have retained Jurich to guide us through this mess. As for Ramsey, he is an old slick from the old corrupt Democrat Party machine in Frankfort with Paul Patton. I had big concerns with that when he was hired. Yeah you can point to good things that happened on his watch but there were just as many bad if not more. At the end of the day he reverted back to his political days and stuffed as much money as he could in his briefcase before leaving and helped take Jurich down with him.

True but without his connections and the way he conducted business in this very pro SuCk state we don’t move an inch. It took the combination of Ramsey and Jurich with their strong personalities to move this University forward in this Commonwealth. Don’t be fooled because you’re about to see the opposite. Can’t have a wimp at the helm in either position. And Tyra’s lack of wanting to carry this forward is concerning. With Postel I had no illusions that he would put up a fight. If he had a tail it would always be between his legs.

 

[83UofLCards83]

Neither naive and never been accused of arrogance (just to point out I wasn't the one speaking of a stand alone city)
Please look at those cities you listed and describe in what way does Louisville equate to them in population, international economic stance or technology.
Louisville is a vital part of the state. No less.

Then if you realize Louisville is the economic engine of the state and vital to the health of the state, wouldn't it make sense to give Louisville more of its fair share of tax money instead of essentially stealing half of it?

Maybe admit that the rest of the state needs to step up their game instead of just being content to steal tax money from Louisville? Do you really think those new roads in Eastern Kentucky were paid by Eastern Kentucky taxes?

 

[sobester]

Of course not, but Lexington and Northern Kentucky are not only getting back half of their tax revenue. Are you really going to sit here and tell me it's fair the the city of Louisville only gets half of their tax revenue back?

I guess I don’t understand where you get those numbers.

 

[billoliver40]

You have won me over.
By all means...secede.

 

[sobester]

Jefferson county is the 10th wealthiest county in the state. Does that nean there are nine other counties being “stolen” from more than Jefferson? I really am trying to understand what some of you are saying.Am I getting “stolen” from by living in Fulton County Geotgia? I really have never felt that way or been given a reason to think so.

 

[83UofLCards83]

Jefferson county is the 10th wealthiest county in the state. Does that nean there are nine other counties being “stolen” from more than Jefferson? I really am trying to understand what some of you are saying.Am I getting “stolen” from by living in Fulton County Geotgia? I really have never felt that way or been given a reason to think so.

Okay, let me try to do my best to explain this, wealth always doesn't mean economic impact. Let me give you a scenario, lets say Jefferson County is the 10th wealthiest county in the state at around $45,000/yr. income. Now lets say the wealthiest county somewhere else is the state has an income at around $55,000/yr. income. Jefferson County has over 700,000 residents, the wealthiest county has say around 100,000, which one creates more economic impact? I would hope you would realize it's Jefferson County even though the average income is a little bit less.

I will say I would like to see your source saying Jefferson County is the 10th wealthiest county in the state, I am having a hard time believing Jefferson County is that low. I know it isn't 1st as that is probably Oldham County, which of course owes most of its wealth to Jefferson County. The traffic on I-71 going into Jefferson County on weekdays is enough to prove that.

As for Georgia, I have never lived in Georgia so I can't pretend to know the overall situation there. With that said, they probably have a more progressive tax code and understand how their largest city can help the rest of the state. With that said, I have traveled through Georgia many times and while there are some jokes about Atlanta, I never sense a resentment about Atlanta. Most Georgians I think understand that Atlanta is the only thing that puts Georgia above Alabama, Mississippi or South Carolina.

That's the big thing that frustrates most of us Louisvillians and is so dumb yet so unique to Kentucky, the hatred of its biggest city. It's been going on forever and the way you hear people out in the state talk about us, you would assume Baghdad is safer than Louisville. I just traveled through the state in October and there is a true palpable hatred of the city of Louisville, and for no good reason. You just don't see that in other states, most Tennesseans embrace Nashville, most North Carolinians embrace Charlotte, most Oregonians embrace Portland. Most Georgians at least tolerate Atlanta. Heck here in Florida most Floridians embrace Tampa and Jacksonville and in the least tolerate Miami and Orlando. Yes most people in Illinois outside of Chicago probably despise Chicago, but that's because of corruption and mismanagement of money. Kentucky is the only state I've been to where the citizens hate its biggest city and purely for subjective reasons. Kentuckians hate Louisvillians because we are different, because some of us are Catholic, some of us aren't religious. Kentuckians hate Louisvillians because we embrace city life, because some of us are Hispanic or African-American. We aren't all just pasty white middle aged potentially overweight Baptists like the rest of the state and it seems we are hated for that. So can you not see why we have some resentment for the rest of the state?

 

[83UofLCards83]

To continue, understand that to most of us in Louisville, the state of Kentucky has held us back. We've seen cities like Atlanta, Nashville, Indianapolis and Charlotte pass us by. Remember that back in the day we were a pretty big city comparatively. We were much bigger than Nashville, Indianapolis and Charlotte. If you go back 35 years to the early 80s we were the same size as Atlanta, go back into the 60s or 70s and we were actually bigger than Atlanta.

So what happened? How did Atlanta become so much bigger and more successful than Louisville? It's not due to location, Louisville is one of the most centrally located cities in the U.S. It's not other geographic features, Louisville was built on one of the most strategic waterways in the country in the Ohio River. Atlanta has no river (at least not a major one) anywhere near it. The only other variable is the state government. While Georgia embraced making Atlanta the best city it could be and making it the capital of the South, Kentucky has fought Louisville at every turn and has done as much as possible to hurt Louisville. Look at the casino gambling issue, Louisville tried for years only to have no success because backwards people in Eastern Kentucky don't like gambling. Never mind the fact that they would have never even been within 150 miles of any type of casino, they didn't want it because they want everyone to think just like them. Also, so many bills fail in the legislature just as a means to "punish" Louisville.

We've had to see state after state embrace their biggest city and have seen those cities surpass that because they can look at the big picture and not be petty and vindictive.

 

[83UofLCards83]

As for the tax situation, you may or may not know this but Kentucky has a very outdated tax system. All tax revenues are distributed equally by land area, not by population or need. In theory this means any county in the state that has around the same land area as Jefferson County would get the same amount of money. So it doesn't matter if that county has 50,000 people compared to the 700,000 people who live in Jefferson County, they get pretty much the same amount of tax dollars. Do you realize how inefficient and unfair that is?

That's why the money flows out of Louisville to the rest of the state. That's why new roads are built in the middle of nowhere in Eastern Kentucky while some of Louisville's roads fall apart. Estimates that I've heard directly from a politician is that Louisville only gets back about 54 cents to every $1 it contributes. The vast majority of counties in Kentucky get over $1 back for every $1 it contributes. Hence the fact that the city of Louisville subsidizes the rest of the state. It is not like this in a lot of states who value the biggest cities and realize that if their biggest city does well, their state probably does well.

I even talked to this politician about changing the system and he just laughed. He even said "you think the rest of the state will let the money train end? it will never change." He all but admitted that the state fleeces Louisville in terms of tax dollars and it is completely okay with that. Can you not see why those of us who live in Louisville would be a little bit frustrated with that?

 

[sobester]

Just google wealrhiest counties in Kentucky.

Yes, more people produce more more money.....and more expenses. Now if the state was taking all this ncome and distributing it to each county equally, then sure. But that’s not happening.

I think you’re paranoid. i grew upn western Kentucky and do nt recall all of this Louisville hate you say is rampant. It was simply abigger town up the river. Yes, UK fans rooted against UL and vice versa. Granted, UK fans were the majority.

 

[83UofLCards83]

Just google wealrhiest counties in Kentucky.

Yes, more people produce more more money.....and more expenses. Now if the state was taking all this ncome and distributing it to each county equally, then sure. But that’s not happening.

I think you’re paranoid. i grew upn western Kentucky and do nt recall all of this Louisville hate you say is rampant. It was simply abigger town up the river. Yes, UK fans rooted against UL and vice versa. Granted, UK fans were the majority.

You're wrong, it is happening. That is the state's tax system, to distribute the money by land area. I have had a politician several years back who was in the budget committee confirm that.

You might think I'm paranoid, I think you're naive. I agree that in Western Kentucky it isn't as bad, they are more level headed about it. I have only been out to Western Kentucky once but I didn't have any issues. Eastern Kentucky is the worst in terms of the hatred. I still remember the one time back in 2003 when my parents and I were traveling down to Tennessee and we were traveling back roads through the Cumberland Gap. I was wearing a UofL shirt and we stopped by a gas station. We were actually denied service because of me wearing UofL gear and being from Jefferson County.

I can't tell you how many times I've had people out in the state go from really nice to downright nasty when I would tell them I was from Louisville. I'm sorry but you're wrong, there is palpable hatred for Louisville out in the state.

 

[Rockfly78]

Here is the e-mail I just sent to Greg Postel. In it I basically washed my hands of UofL. Sad that I don't have a university anymore. I wanted him to know how I felt though and what kind of person I think he is.


Greg Postel,

My name is ****, I am an Alumnus of the University of Louisville. I graduated from the College of Business and Public Administration in **** and considered myself an avid UofL fan.

I am e-mailing you to express my concern regarding your performance since you became interim president. I want to express my disapproval as to how you have handled the men's basketball scandal. I also want to express my disapproval of you removing Tom Jurich from office.

Looking at your past history, you have very little experience in terms of leading and governing. During this difficult time the University of Louisville needed a leader who was strong, vocal and showed that he/she would fight for the university. You have done the opposite, you are allowing BOT members with UK ties, specifically J. David Grissom, to truly control the university. You have simply become a puppet for J. David Grissom and the rest of the UK dominated BOT. As a UofL Alumnus, how am I supposed to feel about a UofL BOT dominated by UK grads and people with UK ties? How am I supposed to believe that they have UofL's best interest in mind?

You have not shown strong and vocal leadership during this time. Just the opposite in fact, you have shown cowardice and an alarming lack of transparency on all issues. Every major decision is being done behind closed doors with no rational explanation for any of the decisions made. You, your administration and the BOT's lack of transparency and cowardice in declining to take questions regarding the firing of Tom Jurich told me all I needed to know about your character.

As far as I am concerned you did not fire Tom Jurich for any good reason. Tom Jurich is a big part of the reason this university has transformed in the last 20 years. Before Tom Jurich arrived UofL was a commuter school with no student life as well as poor academics. UofL was always the little brother to UK in everything. Tom Jurich changed the mentality here, he made us believe that not only could we compete with UK, but that we could actually surpass UK. Amazingly enough, under his leadership, we did surpass UK. Due to Tom Jurich we went from one of the worst athletic departments in the country to one of the best. He was instrumental in getting us into the ACC, which as I might remind you, has given us academic opportunities that would have never been possible otherwise. Tom Jurich also helped, for the first time in UofL history, to really create a campus setting. Tom Jurich helped transform UofL from a commuter school to a true university that students wanted to be a part of besides going to class. That increase in student life and elevation of athletics is the reason UofL has been able to attract a higher quality of student. Sadly by firing Tom Jurich simply due to personal dislike you have destroyed all that. Everything that has come out, including performance reviews, shows that the firing of Tom Jurich was nothing more than a power play by you and your administration.

As for the basketball scandal, again I expect the UofL President to fight for the university. You have simply cowered down to the NCAA and just let our basketball program be destroyed. Once again in a moment where you could have displayed leadership you displayed cowardice.

Due to the actions of you, your administration and the BOT, I can no longer support the University of Louisville. I will be stopping all financial donations, both academically and athletically, immediately until you have resigned or are removed from office. I have talked to other Alumni here in **** who are also either stopping all financial donations and/or have cut UofL out of their will. You have lost any ability to unite the university and I would say that as a university president that is the worst thing you could ever do, to divide the university. The university will never be united again until you are removed from the office of the president.

I want you to know how much pain you have personally caused me. Until you became the interim president I always felt connected to the university. I no longer feel any connection to the university. UofL now feels like a foreign place to me, taken over by foreign invaders. I feel as though I have lost my university and that you are the one who took my university away from me.

You can do with this letter what you want. You can ignore it, you can strip me of my degree (it means nothing to me now, I've taken UofL off my resume), you can remove me from the Alumni rolls and the Alumni Association, you can ban me from campus. Heck why you are at it why don't you just vacate my degree as well. You are more than willing to go along and vacate everything else. I am finished with the University of Louisville and you, your administration and the BOT are the ones responsible for that. I had to make my feelings known and I know I speak for many other Alumni and fans of the University of Louisville.

Feel free to respond if you would like. I would still be interested to hear your opinion on the matter and on my statements above.


Thought on my nice little e-mail to Greg Postel?

You took your college degree off your resume? Dude.

 

[83UofLCards83]

Just google wealrhiest counties in Kentucky.

Yes, more people produce more more money.....and more expenses. Now if the state was taking all this ncome and distributing it to each county equally, then sure. But that’s not happening.

I think you’re paranoid. i grew upn western Kentucky and do nt recall all of this Louisville hate you say is rampant. It was simply abigger town up the river. Yes, UK fans rooted against UL and vice versa. Granted, UK fans were the majority.

You are right, I'll give you that, but if you look at the numbers it's crazy small. Oldham County (the wealthiest county) comes in at $32,000/yr per capita income, while Jefferson County comes in at $26,000/yr. per capita income. Now where do most Oldham County residents work again? Oh that's right, Louisville. Looking at Oldham County again they have just over 60,000 residents, Jefferson County has just over 740,000 residents. I think I rest my case on which county creates more economic impact.

 

[83UofLCards83]

You took your college degree off your resume? Dude.

Well I might have exaggerated there. I haven't taken it off yet but I might consider it. My degree is now 10 years old, I think my work experience is a much better qualification of my skills nowadays.

Plus I might replace it with my SHRM-CP Certification that I recently obtained back in December.

 

[sobester]

You are right, I'll give you that, but if you look at the numbers it's crazy small. Oldham County (the wealthiest county) comes in at $32,000/yr per capita income, while Jefferson County comes in at $26,000/yr. per capita income. Now where do most Oldham County residents work again? Oh that's right, Louisville. Looking at Oldham County again they have just over 60,000 residents, Jefferson County has just over 740,000 residents. I think I rest my case on which county creates more economic impact.

If your only argument is that more people create more income then I say Louisville steals from Atlanta through the federal goverment.

 

[Techdude37]

Where are you getting all these numbers? I’m legitimately interested as I can’t find anything with a quick google search.

 

[zipp]

Hilarious!

Not sure what that means...

Oh, maybe representing rural Kentucky by raising the question of "backwardness". If you weren't serious, it would be ROTFLMAO...

 

[zipp]

I guess I don’t understand where you get those numbers.

Where are you getting all these numbers? I’m legitimately interested as I can’t find anything with a quick google search.

Hell, it ain't that hard to find. And this is probably old news...

"According to Coomes, Jefferson County residents pay $2 billion in taxes to state government, and every year, we get just $1 billion back. And it hurts..."​

LINK

 

[83UofLCards83]

Hell, it ain't that hard to find. And this is probably old news...

"According to Coomes, Jefferson County residents pay $2 billion in taxes to state government, and every year, we get just $1 billion back. And it hurts..."​

LINK

Thank you for linking that zipp, I have been trying to find some of the articles mentioning this all day.

This should end all debate that the city of Louisville gets screwed over each year by the state of Kentucky come tax season.

 

[sobester]

Oh, maybe representing rural Kentucky by raising the question of "backwardness". If you weren't serious, it would be ROTFLMAO...

Im not tepresenting anything. I have zero interest in living in Kentucky or Indiana for the entirety of the he rest of my life.

 

[zipp]

Im not tepresenting anything. I have zero interest in living in Kentucky or Indiana for the entirety of the he rest of my life.

Then why the hell are you in this discussion? What are you bringing to the table?...

 

[Rockfly78]

Well I might have exaggerated there. I haven't taken it off yet but I might consider it. My degree is now 10 years old, I think my work experience is a much better qualification of my skills nowadays.

Plus I might replace it with my SHRM-CP Certification that I recently obtained back in December.

Athletics aside, UL is still a good school. College degrees aren’t given out easily no matter where they come from

 

[zipp]

Settle? A qoute?

Did you open the link, lightweight?...

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Did you open the link, lightweight?...

It would be great if Coomes backed any of that with real data, but it boils down to this; no matter where you live, there will be no consensus on how taxes are spent. Each entity, be it a city, county, state or the country, makes decisions based on needs. That's just part of being in the community.

 

[zipp]

It would be great if Coomes backed any of that with real data, but it boils down to this; no matter where you live, there will be no consensus on how taxes are spent. Each entity, be it a city, county, state or the country, makes decisions based on needs. That's just part of being in the community.

Do you know who Coomes is, lightweight? I know him personally...

 

[brookstreet]

Do you know who Coomes is, lightweight? I know him personally...

LMAO!!
"Lightweight"

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Do you know who Coomes is, lightweight? I know him personally...

Congrats then maybe you can get the background data from him. The rest of my post was the important part

 

[zipp]

Congrats then maybe you can get the background data from him. The rest of my post was the important part

Paul Coomes is a PhD economist in the U of L School of Business and Executive Director for the CHFS Health Policy Office in Bevin's administration. Have you ever met an economist who was short on data? Do you know what an economist is?

The "rest of your post" simply reinforced what an idiot you are.

"Halftime"

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Paul Coomes is a PhD economist in the U of L School of Business and Executive Director for the CHFS Health Policy Office in Bevin's administration. Have you ever met an economist who was short on data? Do you know what an economist is?

The "rest of your post" simply reinforced what an idiot you are.

"Halftime"

I know who he is. Again, how about that background data. I learned long ago not to take an opinion on such things without facts. Economists are a dime a dozen and bicker endlessly over data. Just for reference sake, I know you're a trained engineer, I have a degree in finance from UK.

 

[zipp]

I know who he is. Again, how about that background data. I learned long ago not to take an opinion on such things without facts. Economists are a dime a dozen and bicker endlessly over data. Just for reference sake, I know you're a trained engineer, I have a degree in finance from UK.

You obviously don't know when to give up a fight or which ones to pick. And this is a debate. So you show me your reference which supports your POV, that state taxes in and out of Jefferson County are not greatly skewed. Good luck with that...

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You obviously don't know when to give up a fight or which ones to pick. And this is a debate. So you show me your reference which supports your POV, that state taxes in and out of Jefferson County are not greatly skewed. Good luck with that...

You need to reread my post. I never claimed you or Coomes was wrong. I simply said I would like to see the data. You're "fighting" where one doesn't exist.

 

[zipp]

You need to reread my post. I never claimed you or Coomes was wrong. I simply said I would like to see the data. You're "fighting" where one doesn't exist.

And you didn't stop there... You then proceeded to question the source. So, provide a better one--the same request of you--or admit you don't have one...

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

And you didn't stop there... You then proceeded to question the source. So, provide a better one--the same request of you--or admit you don't have one...

No I didn't, I said I'd like to see the data. You're assuming that means I'm questioning the source. He may be exactly correct, but as I originally said and have reiterated, that wasn't the important part of my post. You keep ignoring that part. I guess it doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[zipp]

No I didn't, I said I'd like to see the data. You're assuming that means I'm questioning the source. He may be exactly correct, but as I originally said and have reiterated, that wasn't the important part of my post. You keep ignoring that part. I guess it doesn't fit your agenda.

I don't have his data nor do I care. I have a guy with credentials publicly stating his conclusions that you don't like.

Fine, give me the same "guy with credentials" saying the opposite, and I pledge not to deflect by asking for his data. You wouldn't trust my personal analysis anymore than I trust yours. Where is your source?...

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I don't have his data nor do I care. I have a guy with credentials publicly stating his conclusions that you don't like.

Fine, give me the same "guy with credentials" saying the opposite, and I pledge not to deflect by asking for his data. You wouldn't trust my personal analysis anymore than I trust yours. Where is your source?...

Never mind. You're like talking to a parrot today.

 

[wilkie01]

Okay, let me try to do my best to explain this, wealth always doesn't mean economic impact. Let me give you a scenario, lets say Jefferson County is the 10th wealthiest county in the state at around $45,000/yr. income. Now lets say the wealthiest county somewhere else is the state has an income at around $55,000/yr. income. Jefferson County has over 700,000 residents, the wealthiest county has say around 100,000, which one creates more economic impact? I would hope you would realize it's Jefferson County even though the average income is a little bit less.

I will say I would like to see your source saying Jefferson County is the 10th wealthiest county in the state, I am having a hard time believing Jefferson County is that low. I know it isn't 1st as that is probably Oldham County, which of course owes most of its wealth to Jefferson County. The traffic on I-71 going into Jefferson County on weekdays is enough to prove that.

As for Georgia, I have never lived in Georgia so I can't pretend to know the overall situation there. With that said, they probably have a more progressive tax code and understand how their largest city can help the rest of the state. With that said, I have traveled through Georgia many times and while there are some jokes about Atlanta, I never sense a resentment about Atlanta. Most Georgians I think understand that Atlanta is the only thing that puts Georgia above Alabama, Mississippi or South Carolina.

That's the big thing that frustrates most of us Louisvillians and is so dumb yet so unique to Kentucky, the hatred of its biggest city. It's been going on forever and the way you hear people out in the state talk about us, you would assume Baghdad is safer than Louisville. I just traveled through the state in October and there is a true palpable hatred of the city of Louisville, and for no good reason. You just don't see that in other states, most Tennesseans embrace Nashville, most North Carolinians embrace Charlotte, most Oregonians embrace Portland. Most Georgians at least tolerate Atlanta. Heck here in Florida most Floridians embrace Tampa and Jacksonville and in the least tolerate Miami and Orlando. Yes most people in Illinois outside of Chicago probably despise Chicago, but that's because of corruption and mismanagement of money. Kentucky is the only state I've been to where the citizens hate its biggest city and purely for subjective reasons. Kentuckians hate Louisvillians because we are different, because some of us are Catholic, some of us aren't religious. Kentuckians hate Louisvillians because we embrace city life, because some of us are Hispanic or African-American. We aren't all just pasty white middle aged potentially overweight Baptists like the rest of the state and it seems we are hated for that. So can you not see why we have some resentment for the rest of the state?

You won that comparison. Good job.

 

[zipp]

Never mind. You're like talking to a parrot today.

Sure, because you don't have a source. You're just another LPT lightweight whose mouth is twice the size of his brain...