The committee has already demonstrated stupidity with the TA&M ranking after the second loss...they clearly value quality wins over losses (as if a bad loss is simply an aberration), and when bunched together with other 1 loss teams we have the fewest quality wins...it's pretty much that simple.
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It still a FCS school....and no I don't watch College Basketball...a solid B1G school has no business losing at home to a FCS School....pathetic take.
For the record...Heather correct...Louisville will be 5th...SoS is a killer...only 1 Top 15 win.
Talk about Stockholm syndrome. This has to be one of the dumbest statements to date on this board. We have the most impressive player to come through college football in years on a team loaded with NFL talent. And you want to pretend other teams out there have more impressive wins?
Talk about Stockholm syndrome. This has to be one of the dumbest statements to date on this board. We have the most impressive player to come through college football in years on a team loaded with NFL talent. And you want to pretend other teams out there have more impressive wins?
It not that...it more in the lines with the committee Ohio State, Michigan and Clemson have more Top 25 wins than Louisville
CU has wins over Aub, FSU, and Louisville - even their win over Troy is looking nice...making it seem unlikely the Cards could jump them in the playoff standings if both teams have one loss.
Wisc is a team to keep an eye on if they win the B12 title game they are a player.
Bottom line, the Cards REALLY need Clemson to trip against WF - and of course the Cards need to win their remaining games also.
Wisc is a team to keep an eye on if they win the B12 title game they are a player.
Bottom line, the Cards REALLY need Clemson to trip against WF - and of course the Cards need to win their remaining games also.
You mean those rock solid never wrong top 25 ratings. Whose only existence is to guide the money to a lot of teams in name only these days.
Talk about Stockholm syndrome. This has to be one of the dumbest statements to date on this board. We have the most impressive player to come through college football in years on a team loaded with NFL talent. And you want to pretend other teams out there have more impressive wins?
Dude! Name one win over a good team other than FSU. Name one. I'll wait.
I agree with your comment about Lamar and the talent level. Captain Obvious statement here but it has to be made - you & I wouldn't be having this conversation if Quick goes another yard at the end of the Clemson game! But we lost, and we're left with the FSU win and impressive wins over bad teams. As TPE said, the teams in front of us have more Top 25 wins. None of this is debatable! How is this "one of the dumbest statements to date on this board"?
The close wins over Duke and VA don't even bother me. It's not realistic to win every game by 5 TDs and there's something to be said for grinding out a tough win against a spirited opponent. This year, lots of great/good teams have lost to bad ones and would love to have an "ugly win."
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You mean those rock solid never wrong top 25 ratings. Whose only existence is to guide the money to a lot of teams in name only these days.
Believe what you want....is Louisville one of the Top 4 teams....yes...but the overall schedule is inferior to the others in the mix.
This shit was supposed to end when Louisville joined the ACC
We would face the same problem in the SEC East or the Big XII...just win out and see what happens....handle our business and good things happen
I agree with you. I think we will be #5 today, based on where things are as of now. But, in these last few weeks, I see at least 2 teams ahead of us losing and we get in.
They are all good wins in the ACC in my opinion. Especially when you are piling up points on people. Wasn't that the whole point of moving into the ACC? Of course it doesn't really matter what league we dominate, it is always something. Isn't it?
And of course there's always those penalties. Year in year out. Doesn't seem to matter whose coaching, we're always on the losing end of that battle.
I suggest you start getting your information from more reliable sources than Heather.
No Washington is toast. The only shot they have is a rematch with USC. That USC is clearly the best team in the PAC 12 as of today. So Washington can't make a claim for a top four slot since they are clearly not the best team in their conference EVEN at 12-1. You can draw a line straight down the middle between Clemson and Louisville. You should see Washington get punished heavily in tonights CFP rankings.
And that's the basis of the great debate (most deserving vs best teams) Louisville's perceived SOS will be held against us to get 2 BIG teams in the playoffs. But when you really break it all down from top to bottom there is only 5 teams that can make a claim for the top 4 slots:
Alabama
OSU
Clemson
LOUISVILLE
Michigan
And it's been that way for weeks. These are the 5 most dominant teams in CF.
Alabama is the only dominant team in CF. That's what makes the selection process for the other three playoff spots debatable.
We will beat that dominant Alabama if given the opportunity.
Any dominate win over a Division I school is a good win.
There's so many interesting twists and what ifs. What if Auburn trips up Bama at home and OSU and U of L win out? That potentially makes the number 1 and 2 teams in both polls one-loss, non- champs. Would the committee leave either of the published polls 1 and 2 ranked teams out of a four team playoff because of a "non Champ" tag when they each tied for their division championship in the top two toughest rated divisions in all of college football?
There's so many ways to spin it. It's really just whatever the committee wants to do. Period.
There's so many ways to spin it. It's really just whatever the committee wants to do. Period.
Absolutely! When I think of dominance I'm thinking of teams that can control the pace of a game and force their opponents to scratch and claw for everything.Alabama is the most consistent at it but there are 4 other teams that have been really good at it too.
Not in the context of relation to other top teams trying to reach the platform of a Top 4.
Close wins over UVA and Duke were not dominant, either.
Blow-out wins over Syracuse and BC are to be expected, and don't stand-out either.
What other teams can bring to the table in context of making the Top 4 is wins considered of higher magnitude against more successful programs. That's a reality for where to place the Cards in this discussion.
I don't take ANY of the wins for granted, it's a matter of context for making the playoffs. Comparing resumes.
Another way to look at it... hooking up with a chick that is a 5 or 6 as opposed to hooking up with a chick that's an 8 or a 9. You're winning either way, but at the end of the day one win is better than the other.
Sure, I'd root for that. As the OP stated a fair warning shot though - "brace ourselves" if not given the opportunity.
I agree with your bottom line. And I "think" traditional powers are in a more advantageous spot when thinking about what the committee "wants to do"... but life is full of surprises for better or worse.
Here's my analysis of the Clemson game.
1st Downs: Lou: 31 Clem: 26
3rd Downs: Lou: 9-19 Clem: 4-9
Total Yards: Lou: 568 Clem: 507
Passing: Lou: 295 Clem: 306
Rushing: Lou: 273 Clem: 201
Turnovers: Lou: 3 Clem: 5
Possession: Lou: 37:29 Clem: 22:31
Penalties: Lou: 11-104 Clem: 6-59
So there you have it. We pretty much dominated that game. They were lucky and needed almost double penalties to pull it off at home. Now that they're a one loss team like us. I think it is easy to say we're the better team.
1st Downs: Lou: 31 Clem: 26
3rd Downs: Lou: 9-19 Clem: 4-9
Total Yards: Lou: 568 Clem: 507
Passing: Lou: 295 Clem: 306
Rushing: Lou: 273 Clem: 201
Turnovers: Lou: 3 Clem: 5
Possession: Lou: 37:29 Clem: 22:31
Penalties: Lou: 11-104 Clem: 6-59
So there you have it. We pretty much dominated that game. They were lucky and needed almost double penalties to pull it off at home. Now that they're a one loss team like us. I think it is easy to say we're the better team.
Yeah I know, I don't think we get a chance. I would be pleasantly surprised.
This is a great breakdown. This is something ESPN and the committee won't do. Instead they will reason that a 2 LOSS Wisconsin gets in over us.
Very nice. Too bad for us the final score trumps all those stats. It's a game we should have won and it still stings.
I like how you think my friend and your stats are not disputable. Our loss was on the road at night in Death Valley to #2; their loss was to a bunch of yinzers from Pittsburgh. Unfortunately our loss was head-to-head and that's a tough argument to win.
I don't think so. I don't think two-loss teams have a reasonable shot without more chaos esp. with the one-loss teams...
Anyone thinking Oklahoma is in has me befuddled. They have 2 losses, one of which was a beat down at home against the only title contender they played. Washington and WVU have a better shot than Oklahoma. OU is out IMO.
That's only true if you have a prescribed conclusion for considering that head-to-head loss. The CFP protocol simply says that an HTH matchup must be "considered". We're reading words and perhaps meaning into the protocol that aren't there...
HTH is a pretty strong argument.
Let's flip the scenario & consider this: Louisville beats Clemson but loses to a decent WF (to mirror CU's loss to the yinzers) to finish 11-1. Clemson's only loss is to Louisville to finish 11-1. Louisville goes to the ACCCG and wins.
Who gets in - Louisville or Clemson? I'm screaming LOUISVILLE all day and night! And you would be too and rightfully so. Look I'm just being realistic IMO about this. In the end I do believe we'll be fine because I see us getting #5 tonight and two teams in front of us losing over the next 3 weeks.
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And this is why I had to take off my cardinals glasses and realize that Ohio st is in the same spot we are but with more top 25 wins.
Well, we're all biased "Louisville" here so you won't get much disagreement. And that's why we don't get to decide.
My point is that everyone reads stuff into this process that isn't necessarily there. It says literally that HTH must be considered, and I 100% agree with that. It doesn't say that the winner of an HTH game has an edge; that's how most talking heads and people listening to them reason...
Man I hope you are right zipp. There's no way Wisconsin or Penn St is better than us. But keep in mind Wisconsin and Penn St will be between 6-8 in the CFP rankings. They (the committee) can easily spin it to put one of those teams in ahead of us. Just so they can get 2 BIG teams in the CFP. I wouldn't be worried about it had they not pulled that trick with A&M. There's an agenda at play here.
If any two loss-team gets in over Louisville (only loss being by 1 yard at night in death valley), that's absolute horseshit.
Right, if Wisc wins the Big championship game the committee would have a hard time taking tOSU and not Wisc also. Same could apply to PSU if they were to win the Big championship game, but PSU's resume has a few more holes than the Wisc resume.
Something's gotta give this year, it's not like the previous two years - more than likely. Either a team that failed to qualify for their conf title game is getting in the playoff and/or a two loss team is getting in the playoff.
It's going to come down to some serious bias, and unless a lot of people on that committee REALLY want to see what Lamar Jackson can do, we're in trouble. That's the reality as I see it.
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