Addressing the Pitino bashing on here

[zipp]

I don't have a dog in the fight, it's always nice to read differing opinions.

If he's going to keep coming back, it appears it will need to be under a new screen name, I clicked on his profile and it's unavailable. It appears your position aligns with a guy getting banned. On a board that doesn't ban people.

Or you could question the people in charge how a guy with 40,000 posts doesn't have a similar problem...

 

[zipp]

This is contract:
Disparaging media publicity of a material nature that damages the good name and reputation of Employer or University, if such publicity is caused by Employee's willful misconduct that could objectively be anticipated to bring Employee into public disrepute or scandal, or which tends to greatly offend the public, or any class thereof on the basis of invidious distinction.

How could the misconduct be judged as "objectively be anticipated to bring Employee into public disrepute or scandal" when it didn't surface until years later and related to someone who was breaking the law? The very fact it took years is evidence against "objectively be anticipated".

And all of that is judgment anyway, not open and shut. Not much different from Pitino being judged as responsible for his subordinates as if it was him acting. If you're gonna fire someone contractually, the wording better be clear as is the offense...

 

[CardVille]

Disagree that we would have been irrelevant without Pitino. UofL can bounce back from anything. We should be nothing right now with our current scandals yet our new coaches first class is rated higher than any class Pitino ever had. This is not a knock on Pitino, but rather a testament to UofL. Our basketball program will always rebuild.

 

[Morgantown Card]

And without Rick there is no Chris Mack. Without Rick there is no KFC Yum Center, there is no practice facility and we aren't in the ACC. Never mind being nationally relevant. Denny did a lot of good but he didn't exactly leave the program in great shape, so stop acting like he did. Pitino had to do a lot to bring the program back up. I will wear my 2013 title shirt proudly thank you very much, there is no asterick by it in my mind or most people's minds. We won that title on the court and that is what matters. Just like USC won the National Title in football in 2004.

Agree with all of this. Like you, I believe it was time for Rick to go, but to say Rick didn't re-elevate the program to bluebood status would be outright lying (I don't care about the vacated wins - they happened, and NOT ONE of those players were here because of Katina Powell - the evidence say she turned Louisville-leans off and actually hurt recruiting).

 

[Morgantown Card]

Disagree that we would have been irrelevant without Pitino. UofL can bounce back from anything.

Larry Eustachy would have been the hire. Arguing hypotheticals is pointless, but I'm thinking the bounce back would have taken a bit longer with him.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Or you could question the people in charge how a guy with 40,000 posts doesn't have a similar problem...

Shhiiiiiiiit... I don't want you going anywhere man you keep this place fun!

 

[cardsp]

How could the misconduct be judged as "objectively be anticipated to bring Employee into public disrepute or scandal" when it didn't surface until years later and related to someone who was breaking the law? The very fact it took years is evidence against "objectively be anticipated".

And all of that is judgment anyway, not open and shut. Not much different from Pitino being judged as responsible for his subordinates as if it was him acting. If you're gonna fire someone contractually, the wording better be clear as is the offense...

 

[UL_1986]

Some of you guys should start rooting for his Greek team instead. Fake ass fans.

 

[T-Bone74]

In all honestly I've tried very hard to stay away from all the Rick Pitino discussion for some time (even before the firing). It's an issue that people have different viewpoints on and has in many ways divided the fanbase.

With that said, reading the "Pitino to UCLA" thread, I just decided to put my viewpoint on some of the disgusting remarks made by a few of the so called UofL fans.

For me I never really understood how many UofL fans were anti-Pitino until stripper gate and then later on his firing. I never realized how many UofL fans had never accepted Pitino even from day one. Never mind the nostalgia for Denny Crum and how much people over look things that happened under his watch while they put a microscope on Rick Pitino.

To relate this to me, I am 35 and grew up in the mid and late 90s. I don't remember the glory days of Denny Crum (I wasn't even born for the 1980 title and was way too young to remember the 1986 title) but I do remember the downfall of Crum. The losing seasons, getting beat by teams like UAB by 30 points, the horrible recruiting, bad team GPA and even NCAA violations. I remember playing in an old and dilapidated Freedom Hall. But more than anything, what I remember and in many ways associate with Crum, was being IRRELEVANT in college basketball. Looking up to the blue bloods in college basketball because as far as I was concerned (as well as other UofL fans my age) we were NOT a blue blood.

Crum was very much like Bobby Knight, a fading legend. A coach who once had success but who had lost that fire (he would rather go on fishing trips than get on the road and recruit) to be at the top and who had let the game pass him by. And UofL, like IU, was a fading program who's best days were behind them. Under Crum I never even thought about the idea of winning the National Title or even making a Final Four, it was inconceivable. I just remember hoping UofL would get into the NCAA Tournament and maybe, if we were lucky, get out of the first weekend. With all the success UK was having (under Pitino) it was a hard time to grow up as a UofL fan.

It seems to me that many of the Crum worshippers on here have either downright forgotten that or decide to conveniently gloss over it. Some of you talk about Pitino tearing down what he built, but if that's the case then Crum is also guilty of tearing down everything he built. We were irrelevent.

I bring this up because to me and most people under 40 Pitino, not Crum, was UofL basketball. It amazes me how many of you have forgotten that Pitino did save this program. Let me remind you that TJ was going to hire that wonderful loser Larry Eustachy if he didn't get Pitino. I know that Pitino had his personal failings but they were nothing compared to Eustachy. So if we didn't get Pitino we would've still had the personal failing BS with Eustachy but without the success. The 2000's would've been a lost decade for UofL basketball just like the 90s were. We would've been right there with IU in terms of being irrelevant.

Not gonna read something that long but Rick left our program without a banner, on probation, and under investigation again. So later Rick.

 

[zipp]

Not gonna read something that long but Rick left our program without a banner, on probation, and under investigation again...

Rick unquestionably left the program playing good defense...