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I’m not sure how it could have been better explained than this ^^^^.He's just a bad fit for a HC job @ this level. He wasn't learning anything on the job or trying to learn either. He thinks his approach was appropriate and he thought he was doing a good job. Nothing he observed all those years was all that relevant to a standard HC job at this level. "Watching guys live out their dreams" aka getting 'em ready for draft night - that's a thing for the UK/Duke approach the last 10-15 yrs. Now it's an Arky thing instead of UK. But that's not the thing most everywhere else.
His method is 100% player centric but you could argue he didn't really cut it there either since he had to kick a guy off the team and another guy had a mystery medical issue. Who knows if any players were returning if he was? Bottom line, most players have a strong relationship with their HC, so even if you want to argue he pulled that off that's not cutting edge stuff.
The job requires a lot of different things with winning and some sort of relationship with your fans being up there on the importance scale, he failed on all that. Didn't care about the fans only brought them up in his final cringe presser.
The hire was important to a lot of people and they hate how it went. He was just the wrong guy to hitch that wagon onto.
I’m with you except the UK/Duke approach. It’s only the SuCk approach. Coach K could actually coach and had multiple NC to prove it. They put players in the NBA but make no mistake his goal was NC’s.He's just a bad fit for a HC job @ this level. He wasn't learning anything on the job or trying to learn either. He thinks his approach was appropriate and he thought he was doing a good job. Nothing he observed all those years was all that relevant to a standard HC job at this level. "Watching guys live out their dreams" aka getting 'em ready for draft night - that's a thing for the UK/Duke approach the last 10-15 yrs. Now it's an Arky thing instead of UK. But that's not the thing most everywhere else.
His method is 100% player centric but you could argue he didn't really cut it there either since he had to kick a guy off the team and another guy had a mystery medical issue. Who knows if any players were returning if he was? Bottom line, most players have a strong relationship with their HC, so even if you want to argue he pulled that off that's not cutting edge stuff.
The job requires a lot of different things with winning and some sort of relationship with your fans being up there on the importance scale, he failed on all that. Didn't care about the fans only brought them up in his final cringe presser.
The hire was important to a lot of people and they hate how it went. He was just the wrong guy to hitch that wagon onto.
I don’t have a problem with KP learning on the job. It’s that he didn’t seem to do much learning that got me.I do tend to agree that he was dealt a bad hand … imagine having no actual experience, but getting the shot of a lifetime at an elite level job … then realizing at that same time the elite level job is facing major “head winds” that would challenge even a Hall of Fame level coach to navigate….
He was at least smart enough that he knew he shouldn’t have taken the job. He just didn’t have the wisdom to let it pass.
In my opinion, the team he assembled in 2023-24 could have become a borderline NCAA tourney team this coming year with him as coach. But he lost the fan base with the ridiculously bad 12-52 record in his two seasons. That he was learning on the job was very apparent with the ridiculous roster construction in both years, and the completely “tone deaf” decision to go with a talented but terribly inexperienced roster in year 2.
There were so many "better options", and I agree that Pegues was one that would have been more positive for all concerned.Completely agree that he was in no way a victim.
Looking back at this whole situation … I can’t help but wonder how much better off we would have been to ask Mike Pegues to take the job on an interim basis for 2022-23, paying him $1.5 million or so. And when the inevitable press and fan backlash hit for doing so, you admit that the NCAA crap hanging over the program way too long made keeping Mike Pegues for another year the best option available.
Almost nothing is exactly alike. It's about the philosophy/method of mostly stacking OAD 5* guys and overwhelming opponents. UK and Duke were doing that, no other programs were. Cal from the beginning K co-opted it and did it better yeah.I’m with you except the UK/Duke approach. It’s only the SuCk approach. Coach K could actually coach and had multiple NC to prove it. They put players in the NBA but make no mistake his goal was NC’s.
Calamari can’t coach XO’s and he’s proven it over and over. And his goal of putting players in the NBA was to hide his deficiencies.
True but Coach K had many many years of the old system of coaching prior to jumping on the OAD train. He proved he was a top notch coach. Why none of his assistants have been successful who knows. But with Cal I know why he’s not a quality XO coach. He relies solely on his player exceptional talent and that didn’t work much.Almost nothing is exactly alike. It's about the philosophy/method of mostly stacking OAD 5* guys and overwhelming opponents. UK and Duke were doing that, no other programs were. Cal from the beginning K co-opted it and did it better yeah.
The strategy was uncommon and there's not enough 5* guys to go around for co-opting it and applying that strategy most anywhere else, or much witnessed by staffs to make much observed useful nearly anywhere else. Most Duke former K assistants are mediocre at best, Cal's tree is the worst.
Yeah, again the reference is not to an entire body of work of one of the GOATs.True but Coach K had many many years of the old system of coaching prior to jumping on the OAD train. He proved he was a top notch coach. Why none of his assistants have been successful who knows. But with Cal I know why he’s not a quality XO coach. He relies solely on his player exceptional talent and that did work much.
He thinks the approach is a good one to apply, player centric, probably because he witnessed a title and a few other deep March runs. That, and he's a former player and he values the player on a more personal level maybe.He goes back to the same guy that taught him nothing about being a head coach. The place that game him the only opportunity to be a head coach is somehow to blame. KP will always be the victim or be used by others.
Well, a few things. I don’t know what you’ve read online. Also, what is online certainly isn’t always true. Lastly, KP was so bad, what you read likely is. At a time when we needed him the most, an alum, a guy who gets it, who could’ve been the hero, slept walk, gave zero shits, about his job. He showed no effort, no emotion, he collected a GD, fat ass check while continuing to make excuses. He was a massive failure (2 seasons, 12 wins.). Massive. Criticism, even hate, is merited.Kenny Payne got paid a lot of money for historically bad seasons. That's on the Louisville AD and I'm not going to blame KP for collecting what he was owed. Fans are allowed certainly to believe it's good he's gone but some of the stuff I've read online from Louisville fans has been downright awful.
Well as you should know, humans can be awful. It's always been the case and it always will be.Kenny Payne got paid a lot of money for historically bad seasons. That's on the Louisville AD and I'm not going to blame KP for collecting what he was owed. Fans are allowed certainly to believe it's good he's gone but some of the stuff I've read online from Louisville fans has been downright awful.
If it was a mission accomplished type of thingy - cow’s current status seems like collateral damage.Well as you should know, humans can be awful. It's always been the case and it always will be.
Now I loathe KP now that he's back with Calipari. It's looks so much like a mission accomplished kind of thing. It probably isn't but Payne had to know it looks very bad. He's rising on the most hated list for Cards fans.
But he doesn't care. He is richer than he ever would have been at his Alma mater's expense. Again, mission accomplished.
But I would never wish harm to him or anything like that. I would prefer if I never heard his name again.
I don’t mean personal hate towards that loser. Hate as in a passionate dislike for his approach, his coaching style, his repeated bone headed comments. He was a flat out disaster.Agree CardX with everything you said, except the "hate" ........ I do not feel any hatred towards KP despite his lack of effort and incredibly poor performance.