Will the Cards be ranked?

[TheRealVille]

My point was this. It has been claimed on this site and others that U of L is the red headed step child of the ACC so their officials go out of their way to make bias calls against us. In truth, the ACC wants as many teams from the conference represented in the college playoff and in the top 25 as possible. It couldn't be both right, conference wants us to win but officials are bias against us?

Don't think the ACC cares about the top 25 and if Louisville was undefeated right now, the ACC would want them in the playoffs.

As for the ACC being biased against Louisville in these games, I don't think there's any conspiracy to screw the Cards with bad calls. I do believe there's a preference though, which can and has rubbed off on some officials, especially replay officials.

I, like all other Cards fans have not been all that happy with the ACC since we joined the conference. However, there is some reasoning that the conference may hold some disdain. The 2018 football team was the worst of all the big conference teams after quitting halfway through the season. And of course the hoops program, starting with Mack which led to KP, had the conference cringing.

I personally believe UofL won't be in the ACC very much longer. Changes in collegiate athletics are abundant these days and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

 

[2330859]

Actually they can both be right if you accept the notion that ACC officials are primarily focusing on the revenue and the recognitions that goes BCS qualification and the major Bowl selection …. the rest of the conference members will sort out their own bowl for themselves

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

Well said Rollem; your expressions reflect mine, and I suspect that Zipp’s reply to your post is accurate as well, as it contributes to the reduction in financial support from a lot of UL fans.

While I go back to the Frank Camp era in football, and the Peck Hickman era in BB; I became close friends with Bob Weber (God rest his soul), great person and was a great football coach who was deprived of the resources necessary to elevate UL further. I credit Bob for my introduction into financial investment of UL football.

I gave up my season tickets, along with my football & basketball Suites almost 10 years ago, for reasons that had nothing to do with my allegiance to UL. I was ready to return as a contributor at the bequest of TJ, until he left rather abruptly.

The subsequent introduction of NIL & Portal pushed me away even further, but hiring Brohm and Pat Kelsey is attracting me back in. I suppose that makes me a “fair-weather fan”.

I was losing interest in men's college basketball a decade ago as the sport was changing. And then we went torched earth in 2017 in the mistaken belief that fan and financial support for U of L athletics was deep and could withstand a total reset. Huge mistake that we may never recover from.

The sad part is that it didn't have to be that way. And while it's possible to fix some of the damage, we're too committed to the failed approach that has brought us to this point.

Better to cut loose and fondly remember what once was...

 

[Mayoman]

What a sad group of Negative Nellies trying to sell this take BS.

No one knows what the future holds. But clinging to the past is fruitless and toxic to your mental well being.

Why even get up out of bed if this is the world view of Cardinal Sports. I'll never accept or understand. When times get tough, the tough get going.

Life is for the living and those who strive to accept the challenges of today's environment. Oh ye of llittle FAITH.

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

You have to see progress before optimism builds. There's little to no progress with men's basketball.

And there are other sports to focus on... Volleyball and women's basketball are two. I'm not wasting the precious time I have left hoping for a miracle or a winning lottery ticket...

 

[beantowncard]

I was losing interest in men's college basketball a decade ago as the sport was changing. And then we went torched earth in 2017 in the mistaken belief that fan and financial support for U of L athletics was deep and could withstand a total reset. Huge mistake that we may never recover from.

The sad part is that it didn't have to be that way. And while it's possible to fix some of the damage, we're too committed to the failed approach that has brought us to this point.

Better to cut loose and fondly remember what once was...

Well……bye

 

[Thecycle27]

Actually they can both be right if you accept the notion that ACC officials are primarily focusing on the revenue and the recognitions that goes BCS qualification and the major Bowl selection …. the rest of the conference members will sort out their own bowl for themselves

I think I am leaning toward official’s especially in the replay booth were incompetent. Officials are going to make mistakes on the field it happens sometimes at a bad time. Louisville in that regard were extremely unlucky.

What the 1st version of the playoff rankings showed you again this is a TV product. It doesn’t matter, you aren’t a brand you have a steeper hill to climb. Then if you aren’t in SEC and Big 10 you are climbing a cliff.

BYU, Army and Indiana undefeated are behind teams that lost. Why? BYU has 2 top 20 wins they should be in the top 5. IU should be in Top 5. Miami was top 4 who had they beaten? Brand it is all about the brand. At some point BYU and IU may get exposed but it was ridiculous to not have them in the Top 5 when they haven’t lost. Mississippi is going to get a lot of love but you know what they have 2 losses against teams outside the top 25. Watch how far they jump. Miami watch how far they will drop.

The margin for error for non brand teams and for teams outside the SEC and Big 10 ridiculously small.

 

[nccardfan]

I think I am leaning toward official’s especially in the replay booth were incompetent. Officials are going to make mistakes on the field it happens sometimes at a bad time. Louisville in that regard were extremely unlucky.

What the 1st version of the playoff rankings showed you again this is a TV product. It doesn’t matter, you aren’t a brand you have a steeper hill to climb. Then if you aren’t in SEC and Big 10 you are climbing a cliff.

BYU, Army and Indiana undefeated are behind teams that lost. Why? BYU has 2 top 20 wins they should be in the top 5. IU should be in Top 5. Miami was top 4 who had they beaten? Brand it is all about the brand. At some point BYU and IU may get exposed but it was ridiculous to not have them in the Top 5 when they haven’t lost. Mississippi is going to get a lot of love but you know what they have 2 losses against teams outside the top 25. Watch how far they jump. Miami watch how far they will drop.

The margin for error for non brand teams and for teams outside the SEC and Big 10 ridiculously small.

I think I agree... not sure. Does anyone think Indiana could beat Georgia or Alabama right now? I think IU fans do but who else?

 

[Thecycle27]

That is the problem. The whole system is built of predictive metrics not performance. Basing the playoff on Vegas, let’s not play the games.

IU and BYU are undefeated at this point what they would do against anyone is in the future should be irrelevant. They are 1 4-5 teams that remain undefeated. They should have been ranked in the top 4-5. They were ranked 8-9 respectively. The impact is they will both be sitting behind 1 loss teams next week. They lose they drop out of playoff rankings. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Alabama jump both of them. IU and BYU are undefeated defeated behind Penn St and Tennessee? Why? Penn State has beat no one. Tennessee has beat Alabama. The loss to Ohio State and Arkansas were completely ignored. There is zero justification for where the committee put BYU and IU. Let’s BYU and IU prove they aren’t worthy don’t rank based off predictive metrics. That is for us degenerate gamblers.

What are we doing? We are rigging it for TV.

 

[Birdie King]

It means something because top 25 teams get more coverage than those outside of the top 25... generally speaking.

Exactly! It makes a BIG difference

 

[TheRealVille]

That is the problem. The whole system is built of predictive metrics not performance. Basing the playoff on Vegas, let’s not play the games.

IU and BYU are undefeated at this point what they would do against anyone is in the future should be irrelevant. They are 1 4-5 teams that remain undefeated. They should have been ranked in the top 4-5. They were ranked 8-9 respectively. The impact is they will both be sitting behind 1 loss teams next week. They lose they drop out of playoff rankings. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Alabama jump both of them. IU and BYU are undefeated defeated behind Penn St and Tennessee? Why? Penn State has beat no one. Tennessee has beat Alabama. The loss to Ohio State and Arkansas were completely ignored. There is zero justification for where the committee put BYU and IU. Let’s BYU and IU prove they aren’t worthy don’t rank based off predictive metrics. That is for us degenerate gamblers.

What are we doing? We are rigging it for TV.

Well, to start, there's no criteria of where a team is ranked based solely on won loss records. I noticed you didn't include undefeated Army in the top 6.

The people ranking these teams do consider wins vs losses and a team like Alabama or Georgia they believe is better than an undefeated IU team. The only justification they need is their opinion. I believe they know most fans of college football would agree.

So if they were to put IU in the top 5 it would be solely on their undefeated record against a very weak schedule. Despite believing Alabama is the better team, it would be a dishonest application of their duty to rank the teams.

What if IU beats OSU and then gets shocked by Purdue the next game. Would that one loss still be worthy of a top 5 ranking over a 2 loss team like Georgia?

Now BYU is a different story, having played a much tougher schedule than IU. They should be over every 2 loss team.

 

[beantowncard]

That is the problem. The whole system is built of predictive metrics not performance. Basing the playoff on Vegas, let’s not play the games.

IU and BYU are undefeated at this point what they would do against anyone is in the future should be irrelevant. They are 1 4-5 teams that remain undefeated. They should have been ranked in the top 4-5. They were ranked 8-9 respectively. The impact is they will both be sitting behind 1 loss teams next week. They lose they drop out of playoff rankings. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Alabama jump both of them. IU and BYU are undefeated defeated behind Penn St and Tennessee? Why? Penn State has beat no one. Tennessee has beat Alabama. The loss to Ohio State and Arkansas were completely ignored. There is zero justification for where the committee put BYU and IU. Let’s BYU and IU prove they aren’t worthy don’t rank based off predictive metrics. That is for us degenerate gamblers.

What are we doing? We are rigging it for TV.

If we had a real playoff, these rankings wouldn’t matter.

 

[nccardfan]

If we had a real playoff, these rankings wouldn’t matter.

Explain what is a real playoff? A 64 team bracket like basketball? Even then teams complain about getting left out...

 

[PushupMan]

Not bean, but real playoff to me means every conference champion gets in, and any at large teams get in based on overall W-L record, with ties being settled by an objective set of criteria (head-to-head, record against common opponents, strength of all opponents based on W-L, etc).

 

[nccardfan]

Not bean, but real playoff to me means every conference champion gets in, and any at large teams get in based on overall W-L record, with ties being settled by an objective set of criteria (head-to-head, record against common opponents, strength of all opponents based on W-L, etc).

But the caveat exists with the first thing you mentioned, not everyone plays everyone within its own conference.

 

[Louis III]

Been saying it for years. Neutral field what would vegas rank by spreads! That's all that really matters!! TV and gambling rules all this shit!

 

[2330859]

UGA showed its vulnerability against the Rebels; IU is not a great team, but in this environment the most talented team is not assured of winning any one particular game.