What if UofL simply refused to take down the banner?

[83UofLCards83]

I'm being serious, this is such a BS excessive punishment, what if the university simply told the NCAA no when it comes to taking down the banner. Sure the NCAA can still strip it from their record books and instruct TV announcers and analysts not to recognize it but that's all they can do. I mean what are they going to do, commit trespassing and break into the Yum Center to take it down themselves?

Other schools do this, Auburn recognizes a football National Championship from 2004 even though they didn't even make the title game appearance that year. Alabama claims a 1941 football National Championship in a year that they didn't even win the SEC. Florida not only claims SEC Championships in 1984, 1985 and 1990 (none of those officially recognized by the SEC) but proudly displays them prominently in their football stadium. Even our enemies down the road at UK are now claiming a 1950 football National Champion in a year that Tennessee, not UK, won the SEC, and in a year that all of the relevant polls at the time recognized Oklahoma as the National Champion.

I say tell the NCAA to screw themselves, that they can take it out of their record books all they want and try to pretend it didn't happen, but that the banner will stay up, the trophy will stay in the case and the National Championship banner will still proudly hang at the entrance to the Yum Center.

 

[CardVille]

may as well hang one up for 2011, 2015 and any other year you want. the point is it wont exist in the record books and therefore doesnt count. and does it really matter? announcers still say Cal took three different schools to final 4s which includes Memphis which was vacated. so it happened and people remember it, it would just be an asterisk next to it in the record books. we were still the best team that year.

 

[JohnKBA]

may as well hang one up for 2011, 2015 and any other year you want. the point is it wont exist in the record books and therefore doesnt count. and does it really matter? announcers still say Cal took three different schools to final 4s which includes Memphis which was vacated. so it happened and people remember it, it would just be an asterisk next to it in the record books. we were still the best team that year.

No.

 

[kornucopia]

I'm being serious, this is such a BS excessive punishment, what if the university simply told the NCAA no when it comes to taking down the banner. Sure the NCAA can still strip it from their record books and instruct TV announcers and analysts not to recognize it but that's all they can do. I mean what are they going to do, commit trespassing and break into the Yum Center to take it down themselves?

Other schools do this, Auburn recognizes a football National Championship from 2004 even though they didn't even make the title game appearance that year. Alabama claims a 1941 football National Championship in a year that they didn't even win the SEC. Florida not only claims SEC Championships in 1984, 1985 and 1990 (none of those officially recognized by the SEC) but proudly displays them prominently in their football stadium. Even our enemies down the road at UK are now claiming a 1950 football National Champion in a year that Tennessee, not UK, won the SEC, and in a year that all of the relevant polls at the time recognized Oklahoma as the National Champion.

I say tell the NCAA to screw themselves, that they can take it out of their record books all they want and try to pretend it didn't happen, but that the banner will stay up, the trophy will stay in the case and the National Championship banner will still proudly hang at the entrance to the Yum Center.

Only problem is none of those 'championships' were vacated. They will force the school to remove the banner or face more punishment. And Kentucky did beat oklahoma during the sugar bowl, leaving them as the champions that year. Pre-1960 athletics are so blurred and there were so many 'championships', can really only take them as a grain of salt.

 

[83UofLCards83]

Wrong on several counts. Florida's 1984 SEC title is officially Vacated but Florida still claims it.

As for U.K., you are applying today's standards to the past. Oklahoma was already the National Champion before the game. That's how it was back then, you can't retroactively change the rules. If Oklahoma was playing for the NC against UK (and not an exhibition game) who's to say OU doesn't play a better game and wins?

The NCAA can only change their official records, UofL can tell them to pound sand on the banner. Again what's the NCAA going to do, break in in the middle of the night and steal it?

And they can't sanction us over it. If they tried what would the infraction be? UofL would have the right to sue in a second.

 

[kornucopia]

I went to Florida Athletics' website and they don't claim championships from those years. Also, although it is wikipedia, there is no mention of those championships under the total titles.

http://floridagators.com/sports/2015/12/10/_football_history_php_.aspx?path=football

 

[Bluuu]

Wrong on several counts. Florida's 1984 SEC title is officially Vacated but Florida still claims it.

As for U.K., you are applying today's standards to the past. Oklahoma was already the National Champion before the game. That's how it was back then, you can't retroactively change the rules. If Oklahoma was playing for the NC against UK (and not an exhibition game) who's to say OU doesn't play a better game and wins?

The NCAA can only change their official records, UofL can tell them to pound sand on the banner. Again what's the NCAA going to do, break in in the middle of the night and steal it?

And they can't sanction us over it. If they tried what would the infraction be? UofL would have the right to sue in a second.

UK had to remove the mock trophy from their new football facilities. Just saying.

 

[gocds]

UK had to remove the mock trophy from their new football facilities. Just saying.

Hey bozo they were NOT the recognized champion that year. In fact they were "awarded" that title 25 years after the fact. You are comparing apples and rectums.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYTHING!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[ThroughBlue]

NCAA made a huge fuss that coach cal still counted his vacated wins towards his 500th win and that he had a basketball that said 500 wins before he "officially" had them

 

[Boom Boys 13]

NCAA made a huge fuss that coach cal still counted his vacated wins towards his 500th win and that he had a basketball that said 500 wins before he "officially" had them

Once again, this play on the who give a shite channel that you subscribe to. Not one person here cares what you think.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Once again, this play on the who give a shite channel that you subscribe to. Not one person here cares what you think.

Ignore feature seems like one you may enjoy then. Do you want me to walk you through it?

 

[CardVille]

NCAA made a huge fuss that coach cal still counted his vacated wins towards his 500th win and that he had a basketball that said 500 wins before he "officially" had them

Similarly, Pitino counts his 4 wins at Hawaii [which were vacated] towards his milestones too.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Similarly, Pitino counts his 4 wins at Hawaii [which were vacated] towards his milestones too.

I didn't know that. evergonw besides the NCAA will acknowledge Louisville as the champions that year. Commentators still say coach cal took three teams to the final four even though the NCAA doesn't recognize that.

 

[nccardfan]

In case anyone was interested, Jim Boeheim was not successful in his appeal of his 9 game suspension and removal of 101 vacated games. Again, the words used by the NCAA was "unprecedented". There was some modification as to when he served his suspension but not anything of significance.

 

[nccardfan]

Another note, Syracuse by virtue of vacating all wins in the 2005-2006 season, still was able to claim the 2006 Big East tournament Championship. Why? Because NCAA's sanctions did not specify removal of any trophies or banners...

 

[ColonelCard17]

UK had to remove the mock trophy from their new football facilities. Just saying.

No they didn't, I was there at a high school camp this week and it is still there

 

[topdecktiger]

The NCAA can only change their official records, UofL can tell them to pound sand on the banner. Again what's the NCAA going to do, break in in the middle of the night and steal it?

And they can't sanction us over it. If they tried what would the infraction be? UofL would have the right to sue in a second.

If Louisville was ordered to take down the banner as part of NCAA sanctions, and Louisville refused, the NCAA could increase other penalties on the existing infractions.

Regarding your Kentucky example, the NCAA doesn't recognize football champions. That's why you see teams claiming championships for the same year. There are/were no "rules" per se. When you see a team lose a football championship, like Southern Cal, it's because the selectors (the AP and BCS in this case) unilaterally stripped the championships.

 

[Louisvillian]

So if the NCAA Overreach Comittee does strip us of the 2013 National Title, does the Trophy get sent to Ann Arbor Michigan?

I can see John Belein cringing right now. C'mon NCAA, show some real guts. Do it. And While you're at it, demand that Luke Hancock send his MVP Trophy to Spike Albrecht.

What a joke.

 

[nccardfan]

No the title gets vacated and Michigan remains the runner up.

 

[Louisvillian]

No the title gets vacated and Michigan remains the runner up.

No the title gets vacated and Michigan remains the runner up.

Yeah I know. Grumpy thoughts.

 

[83UofLCards83]

If Louisville was ordered to take down the banner as part of NCAA sanctions, and Louisville refused, the NCAA could increase other penalties on the existing infractions.

And how would they justify this? What NCAA rule would be broken? The NCAA can not arbitrarily decide to add to penalties.

Even if they did, what would they do? Another year of probation? An additional fine? If that keeps the banner up even if the NCAA doesn't recognize it then I'm good.

The answer is nothing, the NCAA would be powerless to do anything. All they would end up doing is just officially taking it out of their record books and not recognize it.

 

[Cardinals4Ever]

Let the NCAA have the banner for now. We can earn a new one next season. It only adds fuel to the fire. We know that what happened with the ruling is half BS.

If they let Ped State off on good behavior for a coach butt raping little boys in the locker room showers which is by far the sickest thing to ever happen in a University Facility, then they should definitely approve our appeal.

Sorry for the bad images I may have painted in your head, but that happened.

Let's win another Championship next season and forget about the past. We don't need to hang on to the past. We compete for championships yearly in all sports.

 

[OneEarWonder]

NCAA made a huge fuss that coach cal still counted his vacated wins towards his 500th win and that he had a basketball that said 500 wins before he "officially" had them

That was the first thought I had also. The Infractions committee made a stink.

Same goes to the banner. Assuming the NCAA vacates the Championship, U of L cannot officially recognize it. We saw this with Michigan and the Final Four.

If the University didn't comply, there could be further penalties and sanctions.

The Fans know. Just like Calapari is one of two coaches to take 3 different schools to the Final Four, Pitino is still the only coach to win the title at two different schools. Even if they take it away, we still remember. Those games still happened, even if erased from the books.

 

[ThroughBlue]

That was the first thought I had also. The Infractions committee made a stink.

Same goes to the banner. Assuming the NCAA vacates the Championship, U of L cannot officially recognize it. We saw this with Michigan and the Final Four.

If the University didn't comply, there could be further penalties and sanctions.

The Fans know. Just like Calapari is one of two coaches to take 3 different schools to the Final Four, Pitino is still the only coach to win the title at two different schools. Even if they take it away, we still remember. Those games still happened, even if erased from the books.

I imagine everyone will still refer to Pitino as the only coach to do that

 

[OneEarWonder]

I imagine everyone will still refer to Pitino as the only coach to do that

And rightfully so.

 

[Cardinals4Ever]

I seen an SUV with a 2013 National Championship sticker on their back window today on my way home after watching the baseball game .

I thought to myself, will the NCAA make the fans peel off and throw away their memorabilia? How would they react if they (NCAA Members) have seen that same sticker today or a championship t-shirt? Would they acknowledge the sticker's or shirt's existence, or would they put an asterisk next to it?

Am I to throw away my championship gear? Will University stop selling it online? Can I catch it on sale right now? A lot of stuff to ponder. I think i will wear my shirt out of spite some time this week.

 

[genghis_card]

No the title gets vacated and Michigan remains the runner up.

Right. Which will beg the question, "OK, so who won it that year?"

"Louisville"

"Oh, yeah. I remember now."

Louisville won the 2013 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. That's an unerasable fact.

 

[topdecktiger]

And how would they justify this? What NCAA rule would be broken? The NCAA can not arbitrarily decide to add to penalties.

Even if they did, what would they do? Another year of probation? An additional fine? If that keeps the banner up even if the NCAA doesn't recognize it then I'm good.

The answer is nothing, the NCAA would be powerless to do anything. All they would end up doing is just officially taking it out of their record books and not recognize it.

They don't have to justify it. The banner removal would be part of the punishment for the original infractions. If Louisville refused to take down the banner, then the NCAA could simply substitute other penalties in place of the banner. For example, they could extend the tournament ban, additional probation, extend the suspension of Pitino, etc. They could also do this for multiple years.

 

[Cue Card]

UofL will hopefully win on appeal then all this talk will be moot. I think the Cardinals have a decent chance of winning the appeal.

 

[bcards86]

If the NCAA instructs that the banner comes down and we do not comply, how many more tournaments do you think they'll put us in?

 

[JohnKBA]

Right. Which will beg the question, "OK, so who won it that year?"

"Louisville"

"Oh, yeah. I remember now."

Louisville won the 2013 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. That's an unerasable fact.

Exactly. Same thing with the Fab 5, and Memphis in 08. We don't simply erase teams from existence simply because they vacated seasons/wins. They happened, and you can't just put that back in the bag, unless unless you've got one of those cool pens from Men in Black.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

If Louisville was ordered to take down the banner as part of NCAA sanctions, and Louisville refused, the NCAA could increase other penalties on the existing infractions.

Regarding your Kentucky example, the NCAA doesn't recognize football champions. That's why you see teams claiming championships for the same year. There are/were no "rules" per se. When you see a team lose a football championship, like Southern Cal, it's because the selectors (the AP and BCS in this case) unilaterally stripped the championships.

That's interesting, makes sense. Seems odd NCAA doesn't want that authority.