UofL v UK Football since 2000, and the Gap...

[ajgcardman]

If you Cat fans are perplexed as to why UofL football fans feel their program is superior, check out these numbers since 2000:

Louisville

• 136-64 record (68% wins), won 63% true road games, won 59% of games vs BCS/P5 schools, and 41% (9-13) against all-time top 20 traditional programs
• 2 BCS Bowl wins in Orange & Sugar
• At least a share of 6 Conference Championships
• 13 bowl games with only 2 losing seasons
• 46-18 in last 5 years, with 5 straight bowls and 5 straight wins vs UK

Kentucky

• 75-118 record (39% wins), only won 25% of games vs BCS/P5 teams, only won 22% of true road games (most being Vanderbilt), and only 11% vs all-time top 20 traditional programs
• No BCS games and no conf championships (no years with winning conf record)
• 5 bowl games, but 12 losing seasons
• In last 5 years, 19-41 record, no bowls and no winning seasons, only 3-30 vs BCS/P5 schools, and only 1-21 in true road games!
• Lost 5 straight to Louisville
• Have only beaten Louisville team "not" coached by Steve Kragthorpe twice in 14 tries

There is just no comparison between the success of the two programs in modern times (this century). One has been a winning program in 4 different conferences, while the other, for the most part, has been a perennial loser who has not provided any serious competition at all to its fellow conference mates.

 

[CardFan1130]

But...but...but SEC

 

[CardFan1130]

Since 2010 a record of 8-40 in the SEC

 

[n4cer2ad]

Say it again but louder this time Cardfan1130!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You nailed it

 

[ajgcardman]

I want to make something clear about my OP:

The OP was not intended to "make fun" of the UK football program, it is a response to several of their fans on their message board who claim UL are soooo misguided and ignorant to think for one moment that the Cardinal program is superior.

I'm not a "hater" of their program, like many over there are of ours. I went to grad school there back in the day, but some of those that post a lot on that site really need a reality check. The OP was meant to do that. I couldn't post it there without being banned, so I posted it here. And the info I've advanced isn't opinion, but pure fact.

 

[CardFan1130]

Remember UK is "trending upward" while we are trending down. So says Jauk

 

[ajgcardman]

Since 2010 a record of 8-40 in the SEC

In the last five years, UK has 6 SEC wins...the same total as Louisville, although UK has had 32 more SEC games. If the Cards beat Texas A&M this month, their record will be 7-2 vs SEC in the last 5 years, while UK's sits at 6-34.

 

[ajgcardman]

In the last five years, UK has 6 SEC wins...the same total as Louisville, although UK has had 32 more SEC games. If the Cards beat Texas A&M this month, their record will be 7-2 vs SEC in the last 5 years, while UK's sits at 6-34.

Yeah, I know, Louisville has obviously padded "their" SEC record playing primarily against just UK, and UK has clearly never been on the same level with most of the teams in that conference (at least during the last 5 years we are referring to), but isn't that the central point of this thread? That UL is presently at a level "above" UK, and that a Gap in the two programs does indeed exist, and that has been proven "on the field."

The "size" of the Gap is debatable, but the existence of one is obvious, for that choose to take a moment to actually look.

 

[ajgcardman]

Also, let me add, I give very little credence to the act of defining the talent a program had in it on Rivals recruiting rankings. That's just stupid & inaccurate. Recruiting rankings serve a purpose, but I put "much more" stock in the NFL draft, when looking back.

When comparing UK & UL since 2000:

• UK has had 23 players drafted by NFL franchises, including two(2) 1st round selections (Robertson, Dupree), and one 2nd round pick (Cobb).
• UL has had 47 players drafted, including six (6) 1st round picks, and four (4) 2nd round selections.

So, hiding solely behind the conference affiliation argument when discussing records and the Gap, doesn't fly. There's clearly been a difference in "elite" talent coming out of the two schools, and the NFL Draft has proven it. And the reality is, that the numbers of the draft clearly show that UL has had "twice" the amount of elite talent coming out than UK has. Again, we can debate as to "why" that is, but we can't sensibly argue about whether or not that statement is true, when that data is sitting there right in front of our face.

 

[Guardman]

AJ - The only thing I object to here with your post is the whole premise of trying to compare UofL to UK in FB. Your OP, which is data-laden, assumes intelligent folks want to compare Cards to Cats in FB...they don't. The Cards won this match a very LONG time ago. If this were a horse race, the Cats would still be out there running --- or have already been taken behind the barn and destroyed. It is over. I don't choose to measure the Cards' performance against the incredibly poor FB standards of UK. UK is terrible in FB, and is certainly not much better than UCF or Kansas. UK is a FB joke. Don't compare UofL FB to UK FB. But--- Your data is cool!

 

[ajgcardman]

AJ - The only thing I object to here with your post is the whole premise of trying to compare UofL to UK in FB. Your OP, which is data-laden, assumes intelligent folks want to compare Cards to Cats in FB...they don't. The Cards won this match a very LONG time ago. If this were a horse race, the Cats would still be out there running --- or have already been taken behind the barn and destroyed. It is over. I don't choose to measure the Cards' performance against the incredibly poor FB standards of UK. UK is terrible in FB, and is certainly not much better than UCF or Kansas. UK is a FB joke. Don't compare UofL FB to UK FB. But--- Your data is cool!

Maybe the OP is misplaced on this board, because everybody here already knows. And maybe I posted this here, instead of there, in hopes that some of them may see it, while still maintaining my privilege to post there and discuss the rivalry, game, and programs with them, which I enjoy doing. In any event, it's much more powerful to read real data that strongly supports a position, instead of just offering up an opinion that may or may not have any merit whatsoever.

 

[gocds]

AJC I don't think you are going to get any "responses" to your OP from their fans which, of course, speaks for itself. uselessakay fans just don't get it, period. But that's ok because we'll just continue to kick their proverbial asses until hell freezes over. Yeah they'll probably win a game here or a game there versus us but it will only be because of the odds of an upset but then again we must remember their games versus UF and UT. For their fans to claim to being an $ec quality team is living a lie. Their conference brethern don't recognize them as a "peer" and that is what really bugs the crap out of the uselessakay faithful. And, yes, it is much different than the basketball rivalry in the sense that we are very highly successful (and respected) program beyond the games versus them. We actually do go to Final Fours and win NCAA titles and they do not have corresponding success in football. Perhaps they should join the Sun Belt so they could actually win some football games but then again they would have to give up their "welfare" status in taking their annual check from the $ec offices.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[ajgcardman]

AJC I don't think you are going to get any "responses" to your OP from their fans which, of course, speaks for itself. uselessakay fans just don't get it, period. But that's ok because we'll just continue to kick their proverbial asses until hell freezes over. Yeah they'll probably win a game here or a game there versus us but it will only be because of the odds of an upset but then again we must remember their games versus UF and UT. For their fans to claim to being an $ec quality team is living a lie. Their conference brethern don't recognize them as a "peer" and that is what really bugs the crap out of the uselessakay faithful. And, yes, it is much different than the basketball rivalry in the sense that we are very highly successful (and respected) program beyond the games versus them. We actually do go to Final Fours and win NCAA titles and they do not have corresponding success in football. Perhaps they should join the Sun Belt so they could actually win some football games but then again they would have to give up their "welfare" status in taking their annual check from the $ec offices.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

I should also add that they've likely received over $100 million more in revenue for their program in conference checks than Louisville has since 2000. Since Louisville's program now receives much more in the ACC than they ever did before, it will be interesting to see if the Cards continue their ascent up the CFB hierarchy.

 

[rockycard]

The stats from this site only went back to 2003 on these stats.

Louisville 5,491 yards
Kentucky 3,892

Ypg
Louisville 422
Kentucky 299

And all of the Kragthorpe years ar involved.

 

[genghis_card]

Welp it's been 24 hours since the OP. None of the fans of Big Sis have anything to say?

 

[Capt Tony]

Ajg that is great great work and very much appreciated. Many of us work with cat fans and having this kind of information at our disposal is always good. Thanks for the effort.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Welp it's been 24 hours since the OP. None of the fans of Big Sis have anything to say?

They only respond when you talk about crapiperi.

 

[Senore2006]

They are way too busy stressing how much more character there is in their program, all agog over their fabulous 946 APR, lol.

 

[mrFootballFan]

If you Cat fans are perplexed as to why UofL football fans feel their program is superior, check out these numbers since 2000:

Louisville

• 136-64 record (68% wins), won 63% true road games, won 59% of games vs BCS/P5 schools, and 41% (9-13) against all-time top 20 traditional programs
• 2 BCS Bowl wins in Orange & Sugar
• At least a share of 6 Conference Championships
• 13 bowl games with only 2 losing seasons
• 46-18 in last 5 years, with 5 straight bowls and 5 straight wins vs UK

Kentucky

• 75-118 record (39% wins), only won 25% of games vs BCS/P5 teams, only won 22% of true road games (most being Vanderbilt), and only 11% vs all-time top 20 traditional programs
• No BCS games and no conf championships (no years with winning conf record)
• 5 bowl games, but 12 losing seasons
• In last 5 years, 19-41 record, no bowls and no winning seasons, only 3-30 vs BCS/P5 schools, and only 1-21 in true road games!
• Lost 5 straight to Louisville
• Have only beaten Louisville team "not" coached by Steve Kragthorpe twice in 14 tries

There is just no comparison between the success of the two programs in modern times (this century). One has been a winning program in 4 different conferences, while the other, for the most part, has been a perennial loser who has not provided any serious competition at all to its fellow conference mates.

LpT football is a laughingstock program

 

[Jacktwncat94]

I don't think anyone thinks out program has been better than yours, especially in that time frame. As far as this year went I thought we had the more talented team coaching just pissed that talent away

 

[CardFan1130]

As far as this year went I thought we had the more talented team coaching just pissed that talent away

I'm wondering how you come to this conclusion? Other than "OMG STAR RATINGS!!!!" This myth that UK possess some sort of great talent is simply baffling. Who are you talking about? Elam? Drew Barker? Baker? Let's hear why you think you're more talented. Teams with superior talent don't get out scored 38-3 over the last 3 quarters by the team with inferior talent. Truth is, your coach sucks, your players suck, your AD is a weenie and the vast vast majority of your fans are imbeciles.

 

[12375CAT]

Cards own (the state of) Kentucky.

 

[homerblue]

Cards own (the state of) Kentucky.

What the crap is that fake wildcat..freakin hilarious ksu stole UK's mascot. You got like two sweet 16s in last fifty years?
Actually, Kentucky is a commonwealth, not a state. ...and the gap is a myth. We are about even at the moment, but we are on a steady upward trajectory. On the other hand, ul football program is falling apart and the whole athletic department is on the verge of complete collapse.
These are the cold, hard facts. You will not hear the truth on this board, because it goes against the marching orders of tom. I would not be surprised that the majority of "fans" on this site are actually on his payroll. Jurich's army of trolls is one of the worst kept secrets on the internet. I have heard rumors from sources that he hires homeless and illegals by the thousands to troll the internet making it appear they have an actual fanbase. He also uses these people to fill stands at all their games because,in reality, there may only be 5-7,000 actual ul fans.

 

[mwatson61]

What the crap is that fake wildcat..freakin hilarious ksu stole UK's mascot. You got like two sweet 16s in last fifty years?
Actually, Kentucky is a commonwealth, not a state. ...and the gap is a myth. We are about even at the moment, but we are on a steady upward trajectory. On the other hand, ul football program is falling apart and the whole athletic department is on the verge of complete collapse.
These are the cold, hard facts. You will not hear the truth on this board, because it goes against the marching orders of tom. I would not be surprised that the majority of "fans" on this site are actually on his payroll. Jurich's army of trolls is one of the worst kept secrets on the internet. I have heard rumors from sources that he hires homeless and illegals by the thousands to troll the internet making it appear they have an actual fanbase. He also uses these people to fill stands at all their games because,in reality, there may only be 5-7,000 actual ul fans.

Homer you are the best "Fake" UK fan I have read on our board. Keep it coming.

 

[thecycle21]

UK fans love winning the recruiting battle more than winning the war.

 

[gocds]

What the crap is that fake wildcat..freakin hilarious ksu stole UK's mascot. You got like two sweet 16s in last fifty years?
Actually, Kentucky is a commonwealth, not a state. ...and the gap is a myth. We are about even at the moment, but we are on a steady upward trajectory. On the other hand, ul football program is falling apart and the whole athletic department is on the verge of complete collapse.
These are the cold, hard facts. You will not hear the truth on this board, because it goes against the marching orders of tom. I would not be surprised that the majority of "fans" on this site are actually on his payroll. Jurich's army of trolls is one of the worst kept secrets on the internet. I have heard rumors from sources that he hires homeless and illegals by the thousands to troll the internet making it appear they have an actual fanbase. He also uses these people to fill stands at all their games because,in reality, there may only be 5-7,000 actual ul fans.

Homer to be a phony is no compliment to yourself OR the big blow nation. Plus you cannot really be as ignorant and stupid as you continuously portray yourself. I totally agree with mwatson61's comment.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[CardFan1130]

Homer to be a phony is no compliment to yourself OR the big blow nation. Plus you cannot really be as ignorant and stupid as you continuously portray yourself. I totally agree with mwatson61's comment.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

Smh! Some of you....good grief!

 

[gocds]

I don't think anyone thinks out program has been better than yours, especially in that time frame. As far as this year went I thought we had the more talented team coaching just pissed that talent away

Jacktwncat94 your comment only proves that you don't know jack$#!t about football or football talent and that you are the typical uahkay fan. You guys recruit 3 and 4 star guys from southwestern Ohio that tOSU doesn't really want because they, like us, want kids from FL., GA., AL, etc. where a 2 or 3 star is the equivalent of any 4 star from southwest Ohio. Now I do have to say that UofL has gotten some really good kids from that same area in Ohio but we do actually develop those kids into NFL players. The only thing your quote said that I would agree with is "coaching just pissed that talent away" but, with that said, they weren't all that talented in the first place.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[rockycard]

I don't think anyone thinks out program has been better than yours, especially in that time frame. As far as this year went I thought we had the more talented team coaching just pissed that talent away

Can you break down some of this talent that you are talking about? I like Josh Forrest, Boom, and then a huge drop off. We handed you another 14 points and still spanked your squad. Kentucky fans read way to much into star ratings. The real uk season begins after the bowl games are over, and that season will last until September. Good luck

 

[genghis_card]

I don't think anyone thinks out program has been better than yours, especially in that time frame.

Then you should get out more. Try going to places frequented by Wildcat fans. You'll find that's a common opinion, especially from January through mid November.