There's a very real possiblity that Ralph Willard will be the coach of UofL basketball this season. President Ramsey's statement yesterday - but more importantly, Pitino's reaction to it - were very concerning. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Time for Coach Pitino to fall on the sword
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I went back and listen to CRP and I think it is taken out of context. I think Rick is actually saying that he's sorry that he didn't do enough for Ramsey to include him 100%. I also think that when Ramsey mentions Jurich, he speaks for the entire athletic dept including the coaches for fear of having to name all of them not just the high profile guys like Rick Bobby Dan etc
I'D take that bet basedon what is being put out right now. But who knows next week what turns the story takes.
I do not think Jurich is going to request Pitino's resignation given what we know as of now. Obviously, if some incredible evidence surfaces that points to Pitino "knowing" about these issues long before the story broke, then that is subject to change.
But, it seems fairly clearl (speculation admittingly) that McGee was his own man on whatever went down that was against the rules - and I don't think that is going to move Pitino to the farm. It's just not how he wants to go out. He can flip off fans during good times and make outlandish quotes to the media for entertainment purposes all he wants, we see through some of that.
The bottom line is, he cares deeply about his legacy, and if he were to walk on his own that would be even more humiliating - he'd be quitting - running from the problem. He's just not going out like that.
Maybe after the season is over, maybe. But he's made a commitment to a couple 5th year SR's and I just can't see him running. And I just don't see Jurich booting him.
But, it seems fairly clearl (speculation admittingly) that McGee was his own man on whatever went down that was against the rules - and I don't think that is going to move Pitino to the farm. It's just not how he wants to go out. He can flip off fans during good times and make outlandish quotes to the media for entertainment purposes all he wants, we see through some of that.
The bottom line is, he cares deeply about his legacy, and if he were to walk on his own that would be even more humiliating - he'd be quitting - running from the problem. He's just not going out like that.
Maybe after the season is over, maybe. But he's made a commitment to a couple 5th year SR's and I just can't see him running. And I just don't see Jurich booting him.
LOL, What? Syracuse has turned into a has been program and if you think getting a couple of 4* recruits is normal for UNC you would be very wrong. They used to get almost any player they wanted, now they are begging to keep bigtime players from leaving their own backyard. Both schools are way down from their normal recruiting.
What did you expect to see, fire shooting out of the Dean Dome with a bunch of people in powder blue running around crying and dropping to their knees yelling HELLLLLLLLLLLP MEEEEEE"?
So far what has been discovered falls well short of the allegations made.
The book and everything about it is not going to pass any scrutiny. To say it is embellished, would be the understatement of the year.
The book and everything about it is not going to pass any scrutiny. To say it is embellished, would be the understatement of the year.
UNC has more returning talent and depth than any program in the country - at every position on the court. I do not expect them to reel in a top tier class with the limited playing time available.
The claim Syracuse is "a has been" was also laughable. Their decade has included off court problems for them but there have been a ton of wins too - a FF just a couple years ago. I mean literally, a couple.
It's crazy how these people just post whatever.
Credit that however you want. This UNC team has a ton of Juniors and seniors, the scandle came out after they were part of the UNC family but after this year when the seniors leave and some of the Juniors jump they are in deep sh* t. Roy has been striking out and the program will eventually feel the effects of what the scandal has done.
Part of the problem is the NCAA dragging their feet. Nobody knows what the penalty will be and you would have to be a diehard tarheel guy to sign on with that program right now and any recruit that signs on with Boeheim right now will have ignored their parents wishes. That program is a train wreck and Boeheim has lost control of said train wreck.
Again, believe what you want but UNC and Syracuse recruiting is in Unbelievably bad shape.
Syracuse has the #12 Recruiting Class for 2015. That's not unbelievably bad shape. It's nearly the exact opposite - they are sitting on a good class.
Stop posting about Syracuse, you don't seem to know anything about their program.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1703221
Stop posting about Syracuse, you don't seem to know anything about their program.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1703221
Syracuse's real problems came AFTER the final four. Anytime they make the news anymore it's negative.
Syracuse has been way better than UNC on the recruiting trail, they nabbed the 32nd best player and several more after that but it's the other crap that continues to happen off the court with that program that leads me to refer to it as a train wreck.
See
See my post above, it's not al about recruiting. They have had quite a bit of negative issues off the court the last few years.
Giving you this one again only because it fell to the bottom of page 1 and you may have missed it Jeff.
Syracuse has the #12 Recruiting Class for 2015. That's not unbelievably bad shape. It's nearly the exact opposite - they are sitting on a good class.
Stop posting about Syracuse, you don't seem to know anything about their program.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1703221
Syracuse has the #12 Recruiting Class for 2015. That's not unbelievably bad shape. It's nearly the exact opposite - they are sitting on a good class.
Stop posting about Syracuse, you don't seem to know anything about their program.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1703221
You are moving the goalposts.
You stated the Syracuse recruiting was in unbelievably bad shape. Now you are saying it's not all about recruiting. You also said they were a "has been" - which is far from the case, exhibited by their very recent FF and their nice recruiting class this year.
They have problems and they paid for them, and the problems did not impact their ability to recruit.
They are at the same place they've been for decades. They are a second tier winning program that is a threat to have a really good season at any time.
Good talk.
I'll give you the recruiting issue, they are much better than I realized there.
Jeff your point about "issues" is fine, but you miss the mark referencing them as a "has been" program.
They are in transition in a sense as they prepare to lose their mainstay HC and there is always questions about a coaching change. Many people feel he's not that great anyway.
But they are the flagship school in NY and they recruit well, and figure to continue doing so. They also have ESPN in their corner and that's important too.
They have won a ton of games this decade, though some of those wins got erased due to off court problems.
To sum it up, they appear to be fine.
They are in transition in a sense as they prepare to lose their mainstay HC and there is always questions about a coaching change. Many people feel he's not that great anyway.
But they are the flagship school in NY and they recruit well, and figure to continue doing so. They also have ESPN in their corner and that's important too.
They have won a ton of games this decade, though some of those wins got erased due to off court problems.
To sum it up, they appear to be fine.
It will be interesting to see
The perception of Syracuse is not what it used to be, it's really taken a hit the last few years. Anytime child molestation accusations are made you are going to be stuck with that label for a long time.
Okay, but the comment made by a Louisville fan that stated UNC's recruiting has not been affected IS accurate? They managed to lure the #93 and 151 ranked recruits for this year. Is that Wake Forest or UNC level recruiting?
Yeah but Carolina is accustomed to much better. Two four stars and a five would be a great haul for UofL in a normal year. If you are going to compare results with unc then you should expect two 3 stars and a 2 (give or take). I think pitino is a better coach than Roy so maybe it will equal out but it's a safe bet that the talent level will drop post sanctions
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Jeff the perception of Syracuse has certainly taken a hit, but that's not your initial premise. Your initial premise was they were a "has been" whose recruiting was in "unbelievably bad shape" - and your initial points were just off the mark.
I guess 3rd time is the charm as your 3rd claim is fairly accurate - but your first 2 points about Syracuse were not.
I guess 3rd time is the charm as your 3rd claim is fairly accurate - but your first 2 points about Syracuse were not.
These threads are hilarious. They come over and spout drivel and are soon corrected, then the backtracking begins and one of our posters allow them to save face.
Like watching Mrs. Jamtoss correcting poor little Larry Sellers
Like watching Mrs. Jamtoss correcting poor little Larry Sellers
247 Avg Star Ratings for UNC
2005: 3.80
2006: 4.50
2007: Not rated
2008: 4.25
2009: 4.20
2010: 4.67
2016-2017: 4.33
So yeah, they're recruiting about as well as they ever have,
Clueless.
"Elite program", my a$$...
That's a perk of being a top three program. Only time will tell if UofL can sustain. Indiana's recruiting after the Sampson mess seems like a better barometer. IU and UL are more comparable in the hierarchy of programs as well as geographically. I don't know the numbers. But I'm sure someone will look it up.
Can't have it both ways... Your LPT buddy said that Carolina's recruiting has fallen off; you're saying it hasn't because they're Carolina.
I think that slapd!cks need to get their stories straight.
I'd also argue that the recruiting variable ain't as important to U of L. Only if you rely on 5-star recruits like LPT does it matter if your recruiting is affected.
"Elite program", my a$$...
So, the facts didn't suit you so you jump to IU....maybe look up facts before spewing false info..Are you Fat Matt Jones?
I don't have any buddies on here. So you just assume that we all have the same opinions?
Wait a minute here zipp. So your saying that recruiting doesn't matter that much at UL but you've made several posts telling people not to worry about recruiting (citing unc and Cuse as examples). Instead of reminding everyone that Cuse and UNC sustained their recruiting why don't you instead tell them that recruiting isn't as important at Louisville. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
I never said that unc hasn't fallen off because they have. But fortunately for them they havnt fallen that far because they are a top 3 program.
I can agree that nobody does more with less than pitino. It works for UL. But that is going to be put to the test because the talent level will take a hit. It will be interesting to see what happens with King in the coming months.
In my opinion Louisville and Indiana have comparable programs historically. I think that's fair. I dont think you can compare Louisville to unc and get a reasonable gauge on the recruiting future. I would look at Indianas recruiting after Sampson instead.
The main thing is Pitino simply needs to STFU - always his Achilles heel - and what will continue to fan the flame. You "didn't know" - we get it - saying it over and over doesn't help his credibility. I for one don't think he knew but it's a huge perception problem for him as he's gone around for the last 25 years talking about how he is on top of everything to suddenly flip it around and claim ignorance.
The biggest question and pothole for UofL is - where did McGee get the money? My guess is when we learn who's paying Scott Cox's fee, you'll have the answer.
The biggest question and pothole for UofL is - where did McGee get the money? My guess is when we learn who's paying Scott Cox's fee, you'll have the answer.
Even if that's true and that's the biggest pothole, $ 10,000.00 over four years that $2,500.00 per year. Hell if you think that's a lot of money then you're in trouble. I spend about that much on gasoline a year.
I would bet my house that those of you claiming Rick guilty and needs to be fired....are the same folks that had a fit when CBP was hired back. It's obvious that you are able to cast stones because you are perfect human beings. That some of you call yourself UL fans is a joke. If I had the time or desire to research.....I bet some of you were the same ones that declared Jones a rapist. A true fan of UL doesn't get on line and trash their team, the staff, the university name and declare them guilty as charged of very serious stuff. Time for CP to fall on the sword? Just change your colors to blue. You'll be much happier for a little while longer.
You're comparison is ridiculous - not even apples and oranges - it's apples and rocks. Never did I say that either $2500 or 10K is a large amount - I don't. I think it's a lot of money to spend in that fashion and if you don't - well I don't know what to tell you.
I have the capability to look at the information that is out there and make a well-informed opinion. I hope I'm wrong, but I think that UofL is going to face sanctions based on where things stand. As a business owner, I realize that I'm ultimately responsible for anything my employees do even I'm not aware of them doing it. I feel the same way in this situation. In any case, I never said that Pitino should be fired. I said he should consider resigning. I think that we will come under sanctions and I think Pitino resigning would help mitigate the damage.
If that doesn't make me a "true fan", then so be it. My allegiance is more to the University of Louisville, not Rick Pitino.
I seriously doubt there will be any major penalties because of this. Honestly the transgressions here sound a lot like a typical bachelor party (except it sounds like the strippers were more clothed than those at typical bachelor parties). When we are back in the final 4 this season no one will be talking about this. Just a offseason headline to get clicks by the media.
I was responding to fans concerned about recruiting. I have no such concerns for the two reasons I cited: (1) historical examples suggest that won't happen, and (2) recruiting blue chippers ain't as important to U of L's success.
I do talk outta both sides of my mouth though... This side over here says "slap" while the other side over there says "d!ck".
"Elite program", my a$$...
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