I want ND to remain in the conference, I think It helps both parties immensely. If they remain independent in football that is the way it is, even though I would rather have them as a full member. I think they would add a great deal of security to the conference. Let’s face it the SEC has set it up to be the top dog and they will get paid whatever they want. It will be easy for them to pick and choose other teams if they are left uncontested.
Thoughts on WVU joining the ACC?
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I hope the super duper SEC beats the sh*t out of each other and Bama is still top dog. 😎
I agree that this ends with one big Super Conference with 35-40 teams. Unfortunately it’s tough to say if UofL would be a part of this or not. College football in 10 years will be very different from what we are used to.
If conferences are allowed to pay players through the NIL then the SEC-BIG 10 will dominate the market. It would force teams like Clemson and FSU to those conferences.
Could end up being like the NFL-AFL days.
I would go big partner up with remaining Big 12 and add Houston, Cincy, Memphis, and UCF. Then do regional pods.
I don’t see Penn State leaving the big 10. There are no other brands that move the needle. You either stay put or go big.
Could end up being like the NFL-AFL days.
I would go big partner up with remaining Big 12 and add Houston, Cincy, Memphis, and UCF. Then do regional pods.
I don’t see Penn State leaving the big 10. There are no other brands that move the needle. You either stay put or go big.
Wish the NCAA grew a pair and said that 16 was the max conference size. Then if the SEC came calling for Clem/FSU they would have to make the uncomfortable decision of cutting somebody to make room. I dont think they would do that. And it would set the stage for four 16 team conferences which is still manageble.
I agree and I think it is just a matter of time before the NCAA is history. I for one can say I won’t miss them at all. The only negative would be it would probably end the athletic programs in the smaller schools. However, it seems like the SEC has already put that in motion.
You know ND has a plateful to think about what if’s. They will do what’s best for ND and I personally hope they will be all in. But I’ll take what they are giving ACC now.
It would have to be something like that if Clemson and FSU decide to move on.
It would be the Big-12, ACC, and AAC leftovers figuring out how to form a new conference and others may go to the PAC-12.
Give me Louisville, WVU, Miami, Iowa State, North Carolina, Baylor, OK State, Boston College, Kansas, Duke, Va Tech, Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, NC State, and Kansas State as our new 16 team super-league and the rest can go figure it out themselves.
It would give us a lot of solid football programs. Duke, UNC, Baylor, Cuse, Kansas, & Virginia as basketball opponents.
If the ACC is a part of the system and everything stays as it is now why would Clemson leave for the SEC? That would be a whole lot harder road to the playoffs than the the ACC.
Here's what happens now.
SEC has Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Texas, & Oklahoma. All programs that have won/competed for titles the last 20 years. Then you have programs with big money and fans like Texas A&M, Tennessee, & Ole Miss who recruit well. Not to mention SC & Mizzou have had some decent teams.
Big Ten? They have Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, & Nebraska. All are big time programs with money, history, recruiting, success, etc. Not the SEC, but pretty close.
Now you have NIL and huge TV Deals. Players want to be on TV. Recruits want to play against the BEST OF THE BEST. All of the money and advantages will be going to those conferences. The money will be HUGE. It's going to get to a point where the big conferences are going to be like the NFL AAA system. So it comes down to if Clemson sees the ACC losing relevance and if they think they can be an AAA level team in a AA conference, or if over time it will hold them back from competing against Alabama?
Look at the 2019 season. Clemson was the ONLY ACC team that was ranked in the Final Poll.
2018? Clemson was ranked and the only other ranked team was Syracuse who had a fluke year.
The new super conferences will make it where the SEC will move to 9 games. There will be less chances for them to play big time non-conference games. Ever since FSU has fallen off, there hasn't been a big time ACC game for Clemson since the Lamar game in 2016. Last year we saw how big their games against Notre Dame were, so that's priority #1.
They may have to look and wonder if the easy road to the playoffs will be financially worth it? Will games against UNC be the big time matchups to get their players NIL money? As of right now, the ACC is at a point where they're pretty much what sUcKs basketball was in the SEC for years. But basketball isn't as dependent on money/recruiting.
If the Big Ten starts making moves or say USC & Oregon contemplate a big time move? Then the arms race begins. If Clemson & FSU start seeing that kids in high school only think the SEC and Big Ten games matter and they don't care about Clemson's "big game" with NC State, that will change things big time.
The problem the SEC will have in the end is teams chewing up each other in the regular season. I look forward to seeing how they fair when the mess starts. You need weaker teams to make out a quality conference. You can't survive when your team needs to play their A game week after week.
I think their logic is, with the expanded 12 team playoffs, they’ll now be able to get 3-5 teams in, despite conference cannibalism during the regular season. We’ll likely see a 4 loss SEC team in the playoffs due to their SOS.
ACC with one ranked team in 2019, two ranked teams (Syracuse? LOL) in 2018.
Mid to late 2000's Big East was so much better than the ACC it isn't funny. And they destroyed Big East basketball. This all really sucks, what could ahve been. Yes, i know, $$$.
Mid to late 2000's Big East was so much better than the ACC it isn't funny. And they destroyed Big East basketball. This all really sucks, what could ahve been. Yes, i know, $$$.
Screw it, add Cincy and Memphis. I dont know whats going to happen with football but I do know that the NCAAT is the top moneymaker for the NCAA and the ACC is the strongest bball conference. Add a couple teams with strong bball markets as mentioned above and hold on to that bball dominance.
New ACC commish has already stated one of his main goals is to prioritize football. I'm 100% on board with this. He is requiring all Pro Days and spring games to be aired on the ACCN. CFB is where the money is at. It's where the exposure is at. BBall will always be a force. Football needs more attention than ever before
W/L record isn't the only major determining factor, though. SOS and record against common opponents weighs heavily, as well. The SEC isn't expanding for the sake of expanding. They know that if 12 teams are in the playoffs, 6 of those being auto bids, the next 6 will consist of at least 1-2 SEC teams.
When it was the BCS and 2 teams and the current 4 teams, yeah record mattered.
But once it goes to 12 teams, they’re going to select the 12 best teams. Not just on talent, but rankings as well
Every year it’s pretty much
Alabama
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Clemson
And then you’ll get a random Oregon, Georgia, LSU in there too. They get the ones they want. But look at 2019’s final playoff ranking
SEC
#1 LSU
#4 Oklahoma (not in SEC in 2019)
#5 Georgia
#9 Florida
#12 Auburn
#13 Alabama
ACC
#3 Clemson
#24 Virginia
#15 Notre Dame
This is the reality of the new conference setup. If the ACC continues to have seasons filled with games that don’t matter, it will lose value.
The playoff is run by the playoff commissioners who are appointed by the D-1 university presidents. The commissioners pick the members members of the playoff selection committee and set the guidelines the committee follows. I just don't see a 2 lose team playing for a National Champion. IMHO. ESPN will certainly sound off. They always do. They won't determine squat.
X; take a look at the schools who have representatives on the selection Committee. This is one of the reasons that P5 conference ADs, and member institutions are sick of the NCAA. the 2020 CBS story with the poll showing 65% P5 members want away from the NCAA.
I believe Ara is correct; ESPN does not have the authority to influence the Committee one iota; which I think explains at least some of the motivation ESPN has in pushing the expansion of the SEC. It may piss off some people, but it will eventually lead to the P5 schools leaving the NCAA behind.
I believe Ara is correct; ESPN does not have the authority to influence the Committee one iota; which I think explains at least some of the motivation ESPN has in pushing the expansion of the SEC. It may piss off some people, but it will eventually lead to the P5 schools leaving the NCAA behind.
ESPN owns the broadcasting rights to the CFB playoffs. They undoubtedly want teams that will bring the most viewers. Let's say Oregon State doesn't win the Pac 12, but they finish 11-1. UGA doesn't win the SEC, but they finish 10-2. Who do you think ESPN will want? I'm not saying ESPN is at the table during discussions, but their influence is felt. You can't convince me otherwise. There's simply too much money at stake for them to take the position "you guys put in whoever you want, whatever."
I think ESPN will be at the head of the table with their checkbook right next to the playoff bracket. This will be no different than the NCAA basketball playoff where the college presidents lie to everyone and say their selections were based on SOS. The bracket will be determined by what teams will put eyeballs on the TV sets for money. This means you will have teams from every corner of the country and the teams with the biggest fan bases will be the ones advancing.
X: there are boundarie, and while ESPN, FOX, CBS, etc want more influence in college sports; it is the schools and their respective Conferences that must have more control over their own destiny. These TV magnates and the P5 Conference schools have a common opponent in their quest for changes, and it can be seen in the unholy alliance between ESPN and the SEC, as both have a mutual interest in the elimination of the NCAA.
Yes, and not only that, they will do a modelling backwards fit to see how any new playoff rules going forward will help or hurt their advertising $$ or streaming or cable $$. They will carefully backwards model any proposed change to the selection rules to understand how that might have affected all of the previous CFB's. They won't really care about the teams per se, just about whether they benefit with eyeballs.
I believe you boys are giving ESPN way to much credit. If ESPN had their way last year Texas A&M would have been in the playoff instead of ND. ND hurt ESPN two extensions ago when they stayed with NBC for a lot less money, instead of accepting their generous offer. They haven't forgot and snub ND on every occasion that presence itself. The NCAA does not have authority over the FBS schools football programs. They still hand out penalties for infractions. The Power Five can set up their super conferences without leaving the NCAA. To the NCAA it's like some basketball schools that doesn't have football.
As long as the top 4-5 teams make the tournament, it doesn't matter. The more teams we add, the more we complain about fairness.
Like in Basketball, there's usually only 3-4 teams that can win a title and on a weird year maybe 7-8 if there's not a clear favorite. Last year when we were on the bubble, we were mad, but then again the point was to crown the best team and we were nowhere close. Gonzaga and Baylor were really the clear cut best teams all year and they made it, that's all that matters.
That's just completely false. Notre Dame brings eyeballs to television more than Texas A&M. Why would they want to put A&M on TV which would guarantee LESS VIEWERS which means they make less money?
Have you ever noticed that EVERY TIME Notre Dame plays a road game and aren't on NBC, they're always in primetime or the best game??? Also, ESPN gets all of their ACC games they play on the road.
We were the Monday night primetime game when we played them on ESPN, coming off a 2-10 season
CBS made them the primetime game against Georgia
Fox puts their USC/Stanford games in the best timeslot.
In all honest, there's times Notre Dame DOES NOT deserve it, but get it because of ESPN and the rankings overrating them because they bring in viewers.
Thank you and you proved my point. If ESPN was stupid enough to not air ND, some other network would. Yes there was a lot of talk about why Texas A&M wasn't in the playoff over the Irish. ESPN did have plenty to say on the subject. During the BK era I think ND earned everything they got except the NCAA penalty. If ND hadn't self reported it, the NCAA would never known it happen.
You were 2-8 and ND was coming off a 12-0 regular season campaign. ND was playing Louisville who beat the Irish in 2016. It was opening weekend for college football so it was on tv. I would think it would have thrilled Louisville fans? ND deserved being on tv that night because Louisville and ND put on a nice show when they play.
You were 2-8 and ND was coming off a 12-0 regular season campaign. ND was playing Louisville who beat the Irish in 2016. It was opening weekend for college football so it was on tv. I would think it would have thrilled Louisville fans? ND deserved being on tv that night because Louisville and ND put on a nice show when they play.
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ND is on TV all the time nationally. I mean it's a fact. They're always the primetime game when they are nbot on ESPN. I mean they even had a worse game against Wake Forrest in 2018 and that game even got an ABC slot.
The SEC pissed a lot of people off with this power move. The playoff if it happens is going to limit the number of teams per conference. At this point the playoff money isn’t going to significantly change the landscape. All the other conferences need to unite and make the playoff about the health of the sport not $$$.
The gap right now is too big and I am not sure that is sustainable
I think after three years these SEC teams are going to wonder, "What were we thinking...?" It's very far sighted what their doing. To stack your conference with the best teams from other conferences sounds great, but then you have to start playing them week after week. It's nothing but slaughter House row. I can't wait to see Kentucky taken to the cleaners. A team of three stars taken on those teams? Week after week.
It is almost impossible for Kentucky to obtain or procure (it is the SEC) enough talent to compete. The 9 game schedule is brutal for them. They may go to 10 games. It is just getting tougher. Can you imagine if both Alabama and Auburn come over to the East? Good lord.
ND’s tradition, National following, their network and National TV scheduling explains their popularity. However, ask yourself which game will have the largest TV audience when Alabama is playing Tx A&M, Oklahoma or any of the other SEC powerhouses are playing each other, versus ND playing their regularly scheduled opponents?
TV scheduling is about to change and the SEC a is making sure of it.
TV scheduling is about to change and the SEC a is making sure of it.
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