I'd have to look at the contract clause for expansion...Because I CAN'T see a secenario where ADDED TV MARKET VAULE is NOT a cause or reason to renegoiate the contract!!!
OT: Big 12 Expanding?
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I'd have to look at the contract clause for expansion...Because I CAN'T see a secenario where ADDED TV MARKET VAULE is NOT a cause or reason to renegoiate the contract!!!
Any financial disadvantage that the Big XII bears is not "external pressure". I'm talking about something like being able to compete for a national championship.
Why should the champion of a ten-team conference be held in the same light as the champion of a 16-team conference? It shouldn't be. Purely based on math, it's harder to win a conference that's 60% larger.
If/when the playoffs are expanded to eight teams, each of the P5 conferences is expected to get a guaranteed berth for their champion. Simply put, that shouldn't happen for a conference with ten teams if the other conferences are larger.
Also, the longer you wait to expand, the slimmer the pickings are going to be. Now is the time to recognize those factors and take action. Fixating on next year's cut of the conference pie is looking in the rear view mirror.
And if you wait until the Pac 12, Big 10, SEC, and ACC expand again, you may start hearing talk about the P4 conferences. THAT is external pressure...
I'd have to look at the contract clause for expansion...Because I CAN'T see a secenario where ADDED TV MARKET VAULE is NOT a cause or reason to renegoiate the contract!!!
The existence of the clause is well known. I can quote multiple sources:
It's just like I said. The Big 12 can't renegotiate when they expand. They have a clause that locks in the value of their contract. They are the only conference that has this.
The reason this clause exists is because ESPN and Fox bailed out the Big 12 back when Nebraska and Colorado left. The catch was, in exchange for getting bailed out, the Big 12 wouldn't get more money if they expanded in the future. They would only get enough to cover the cost of adding new teams. That's why the Big 12 has this unique situation.
Yes, financial disadvantage is external pressure. Being behind financially directly affects their ability to compete for the national championship. Right now, the external pressure you are mentioning doesn't exist. The Big 12 can compete for national championships. They can get into the playoffs without expanding. (They just did last year.) If they need a CCG, then the new rules allow them to stage one without expanding. There simply isn't any pressure for them to expand, due to the playoffs.
What you are saying about the Big 12 deserving to get in with 10 teams is irrelevant. They can, so therefore there is no external pressure. If the playoffs expanded and the P5 teams got automatic bids, then there is absolutely no reason for them to expand. They would have a guaranteed spot in the playoffs, so really no reason to expand then. What you seem to be implying is that there will be some sort of rule change or protest by the other conferences to force the Big 12 to expand. There simply isn't any evidence of that happening.
Now regarding the pickings being slim, they already are. The candidates mentioned are BYU, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Memphis, and South Florida. None of those teams are getting into any of the other leagues. Those teams will always be around for the Big 12. If anybody else wanted those teams, they would be gone already.
Interesting CBS Sports article...the Big XII in 2010 was basically 30 minutes away from dying...to me this league is following the same path as the old BIG EAST...JMO the Big XII is a Zombie Conference...here is the link:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-at-oklahoma-over-potential-big-12-expansion/
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-at-oklahoma-over-potential-big-12-expansion/
Here is an article centered on Oklahoma, mentioning the Big XII's chances of getting into the playoff based on expansion (or not).
Here is another.
To deny the linkage between Big XII expansion and the CFP is simply to be in denial. Preserving the amount of money that each school makes--an internal consideration--may not be relevant...
Here is another.
To deny the linkage between Big XII expansion and the CFP is simply to be in denial. Preserving the amount of money that each school makes--an internal consideration--may not be relevant...
I've read the articles you posted. I did not say there is no linkage between Big 12 expansion and the playoffs. You are implying that the playoffs are the primary reason for expansion. This is not the case. The primary motivation for expansion is money. To say that money is not relevant is being in denial.
Big XII money is only relevant to the Big XII teams, no one else.
And you don't know what the outcome will be for the Big XII as far as the CFP. You only know what the situation is TODAY, which is also irrelevant...
You said,
Big XII money is only relevant to the Big XII teams, no one else.
The Big 12 is only expanding based on what is relevant to them in the first place. You have this idea that the Big 12 is expanding to please someone else. They aren't. They are expanding for their own reasons, and their primary interest is money. I'm not just making that up. The commissioner of the Big 12 conference himself said that:
“If we do nothing, we’ll fall behind with the SEC and Big Ten,” Bowlsby said. “We may still be just as competitive as we are today, but we’ll fall behind financially.”
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...rd-deciding-on-expansion-title-game/165370007
He just said the Big 12 might still be competitive (i.e. making the playoffs) but fall far behind financially. Obviously, finances are the main motivation for the Big 12 expanding.
I didn't say I knew the outcome for the Big 12 regarding the CFP. Stop putting words in my mouth. What I did say was the playoffs were not the main reason the Big 12 is considering expanding. The main reason they are considering expanding is because they want more money.
It's unlikely that the Big XII will receive more money on a pro rata basis with more teams. Programs like Cincy and Memphis are not worth as much as the average Big XII program. It's why a handful of Big XII schools led by Texas don't want to expand. They don't want their shares diluted--less money per school.
Whether your existing media contracts say that won't happen in the short run is irrelevant. Schools like Texas and Oklahoma know that weaker programs won't carry the same weight proportionately in the long run. Eventually, that's baked in the cake, e.g., the NEXT contract.
All of that is INTERNAL to the Big XII and their media partners. No other conference gives a damn. The only thing the other conferences care about is the BIG XII's access to the CFP and whether that process is equitable. Fewer teams in the conference aren't helping when everyone else has a higher mountain to climb...
Whether your existing media contracts say that won't happen in the short run is irrelevant. Schools like Texas and Oklahoma know that weaker programs won't carry the same weight proportionately in the long run. Eventually, that's baked in the cake, e.g., the NEXT contract.
All of that is INTERNAL to the Big XII and their media partners. No other conference gives a damn. The only thing the other conferences care about is the BIG XII's access to the CFP and whether that process is equitable. Fewer teams in the conference aren't helping when everyone else has a higher mountain to climb...
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There is much very decided schadenfreude in watching the poor Big 12's anguish over money, money and not much else. The role of Texas nixing the entry of Louisville into that sadarse conference should be a source of regret for long years to come. They had a chance to welcome our eager butts and they blew it. Their First World anxiety that other conferences are "making more money" when they make tens of millions more than they ever did before, is so pathetically greedy it defies imagination. They are now officially the poster children of the downside of expansion.
From leaving the hooting jackals of WVU now in our rear view mirror to the utter pomposity of Texas in poisoning the decisions of TCU and Tech, this poster feels we found a 4 leaf clover when the ACC extended an invite. Non monetary concerns include the fact that the entire ACC was so glad to get rid of Maryland fans, we already had an "in" - a welcome leg up on anyone transferring conferences - anywhere. We experienced the softest landing in human history. There is not a man jack among us who does not consider our eventual good fortune with a huge smile. What the addition of Louisville into the Big 12 would have done for basketball alone would have been to raise the entire conference's game. Of course, Texas doesn't care about basketball, lol.
Texas was so dismissive of Louisville that they hired our entire football staff and then made a run for our AD. You would think the value they suddenly discovered might have made an impression earlier. F--- those people and that conference.
From leaving the hooting jackals of WVU now in our rear view mirror to the utter pomposity of Texas in poisoning the decisions of TCU and Tech, this poster feels we found a 4 leaf clover when the ACC extended an invite. Non monetary concerns include the fact that the entire ACC was so glad to get rid of Maryland fans, we already had an "in" - a welcome leg up on anyone transferring conferences - anywhere. We experienced the softest landing in human history. There is not a man jack among us who does not consider our eventual good fortune with a huge smile. What the addition of Louisville into the Big 12 would have done for basketball alone would have been to raise the entire conference's game. Of course, Texas doesn't care about basketball, lol.
Texas was so dismissive of Louisville that they hired our entire football staff and then made a run for our AD. You would think the value they suddenly discovered might have made an impression earlier. F--- those people and that conference.
Utterly fantastic post...and truly highlights the contrast in approaches of a "First World" approach vs. our Zen Master of an AD.
You don't understand what that means. Here's is how the pro rata works. Let's just make up an easy figure, and say that each Big 12 teams gets $10 million a year. $10 million * 10 teams = $100 million. That's the total figure the Big 12 gets paid. If you to 12 teams, then they get $10 million * 12 teams = $120 million. That's the pro rata increase. The total pot goes up by $20 million, but that's only enough so that the teams get the same amount as they did before.
Aside from that, you are way wrong about this external pressure. Big 12 expansion is entirely internal. The other conferences don't have a say on whether or not the Big 12 expands. The other conferences don't care about the Big 12's access to the CFP. They don't care if it's "equitable." It's not "equitable" now. There is no push for it to be "equitable." That's something you are just making up in your own mind. The decision to expand will be entirely an internal matter between the Big 12 and ESPN/Fox. Nobody else will have a say.
Learn to read... I said they won't receive MORE money on a pro rata basis. Hence, there's no reason to expand for the money. That's certainly how Texas feels.
There's a little phenomenon in nature known as "critical mass". It means if you ain't big enough, you've got problems. If not now, later. Most of the Big XII schools recognize that. Texas does as well, but they don't care because they're Texas. They'll survive even if/when the Big XII implodes, which doesn't provide the other Big XII teams with much security.
So, if most of the Big XII teams wanna expand but there ain't more money for each team, you enlighten the rest of us why there's all this expansion talk for the Big XII. We'll find out who's delusional...
BTW, this shows just how out of touch with reality you are. Equity is the ONLY reason that ND will ever join a conference or feel the pressure to. Once everyone else says you ain't in a conference, you ain't in the CFP, watch how fast that happens. And for the same reason.
The Big XII and ND are outnumbered. If you're perceived as having an easier path to a national championship, that situation will eventually get fixed for you if you don't fix it yourself. And you don't want the other four P5 conferences going to 16 teams without you. Guess where some of those filler teams might come from?...
I agree with you, there isn't more money to expand. That's why several teams (Texas, TCU, Texas Tech) are against it.
Well, first of all, most of the Big 12 teams don't want to expand. The reason there is talk is primarily because of David Boren at Oklahoma. He is leading the push for this. West Virginia also supports it because they want a travel partner. Oklahoma mainly wants it so that Texas has to give up the LHN.
That said, here is what you don't get. They think they ARE going to make more money. David Boren is the ringleader of this. He wants three things: expansion, a conference title game, and a conference network. He thinks they are going to get more money out of it. The problem is, Boren is exaggerating how much money (if any) there will be. This is evident in an article that you posted yourself yesterday. It was a article about how an Oklahoma trustee named Max Weitzenhoffer said he disagrees with Boren on expansion. In particular, he said this:
"I don't know what we have to gain," Weitzenhoffer said.
He added he is "very close friends" with Boren but added, "We're not on the same page. They keep talking about more money, but it's really not that much more money."
See, this proves my point. The proponents of expansion think they are going to make more money. That's their motivation for expansion. I believe they are wrong, much like Weitzenhoffer and others, but Boren and his supports actually believe they will make more money.
No, I'm not out of touch with reality. You said:
Once everyone else says you ain't in a conference, you ain't in the CFP, watch how fast that happens
That hasn't happened. None of the other conferences have even attempted to have such a requirement passed. Until that type of rule is in place, you can't claim that to be an external factor, because it doesn't exist.
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"Last week, Navigate Research, an analytics firm out of Chicago that the Big 12 hired, delivered a presentation to the league's coaches stating that the Big 12 would have a better chance of making the CFP if it expanded by two teams to a total of 12, played eight conference games instead of nine and implemented a championship game..."
LINK
The "analytics firm" wasn't hired to evaluate financial payouts. The expansion issue for the Big XII as well as conference membership for ND has been and continues to be the path to a national championship. Anything gets in the way of that and you will see change.LINK
And every article you read about ND joining a conference discusses that issue. There is no other reason to join...
You simply are not educated enough about this topic. The Big 12 has hired two firms, not just navigate research. The also hired Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures.
The league hired an analytics firm, Navigate Research, to identify the best data producing a College Football Playoff team. And the league also hired media consultant Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures to assess the financial impact of staging a conference football championship game and starting a conference network
http://www.athleticbusiness.com/college/breaking-down-possibility-of-big-12-expansion.html
BHV will present the results of the study to the presidents at the Big 12 meetings in June.
Regarding playoffs, this is a quote from Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby, regarding this very topic:
Bowlsby was firm in his belief that there are too many other factors involved in the overall health of the conference to make such lofty decisions based entirely on the CFP.
"It's certainly a component, but there are financial aspects, there are lots of other sports involved," Bowlsby said. "There's probably none more important than football, but it isn't just about the playoff. It's an important component, but it's not the only component.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...-football-playoff-drives-debate-big-12-future
There you go. Game, set, match. The playoffs are not the motivating factor here. You keep insisting that the Big 12 is doing this just because of the playoffs. I don't know how many times I have to tell you: Their path to the playoffs isn't blocked. There is no rule or requirement that currently puts the Big 12 at a disadvantage. There is no rule that says, "You have to have 12 teams to get a playoffs spot." There is no rule that says, "You have to have a CCG." There are simply no rules out there hindering the Big 12 from getting a playoffs spot. Also, there is no evidence whatsoever that the other conferences are even considering passing any sort of rule that would hinder the Big 12. There simply isn't any pressure for the Big 12 to expand due to making the playoffs.
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What is this B12 you speak of?
It's dead to me, and it's dying in the eyes of the population centers of the country.
The B12 is Tx and Ok in most peoples eyes in FB. KS sneaks in after November during BB season by being the only ones who REALLY give a hoot in hell about it in their conference (uk style).
I'd like to play TX, but I do not care to have to do business with them.
It's dead to me, and it's dying in the eyes of the population centers of the country.
The B12 is Tx and Ok in most peoples eyes in FB. KS sneaks in after November during BB season by being the only ones who REALLY give a hoot in hell about it in their conference (uk style).
I'd like to play TX, but I do not care to have to do business with them.
I did read somewhere, not linking because I'm lazy, that 7 of the 10 schools voted for expansion...with the hold outs being the Texas schools and that being orchestrated by Texas with their motivation being to keep LHN as is...what is the leverage that Texas holds over TCU and TT? and why would 7/10 schools vote for expansion if it's not in their interest? the probable answer is hedging against the likely future of CFB and the potential to be left outside looking in regarding the playoff picture...that's just my own logic.
There has not been a vote on expansion. What you read is that Texas, TCU, and Texas Tech are against expansion. The other 7 schools are not all for expansion. It's just that those three are the ones that have been openly against it. The point of the article you read is that even if all the other schools ended up voting for expansion, that would only be 7 votes and would fall short of the necessary majority to approve expansion. It wasn't saying all 7 are for it. The motivation for expansion is money. The playoffs play a role, but the Big 12 will not expand strictly for the playoffs. If the money isn't there, then you won't see expansion.
Regarding Texas, they have political influence over Texas Tech, due to it being a state school. TCU simply prefers 10 teams. Their athletic director stated several weeks ago that he believes 10 is a better number for the conference.
Aren't there just 10 teams in the B12? If 7 vote for expansion, and 3 do not, then a majority of the conference teams would be in favor of expansion. Does the vote have to be unanimous?
Here are my thoughts on the matter. Will the Big 12 expand? Nobody knows. Should the Big 12 expand? Most definitely. Of course the Big 12 is looking at whether it would be financially beneficial to expand and maybe expanding would mean less money for each school because there would be more teams drawing from the pot.
The problem for the Big 12 is the fact that nobody is going to be raiding the SEC. Nobody is going to raid the Pac 12 because those teams simply will not leave considering their situations. The Big 10 is set with 14 teams and making a ton of money. The ACC is set and has the Grant of Rights factor too. So if any Power 5 conference wants to get to 16 teams where are they going to look? They'll either raid unhappy members in the Big 12 or they'll have to settle for G5 teams. More than likely they'll find plenty of members in the Big 12 that aren't happy and would want to jump ship. Now even if they expand to 14 teams they could still be raided. But it's a lot different going from 14 back to 12 or 10 teams than going from 10 teams back to 6 or 8 teams. It would be tough to survive in the current landscape with 6 or 8 teams. That almost harkens back to the 1980's.
The other reason to expand is based on the Playoff. Oklahoma was lucky to get in and the only reason they did was because Stanford won the Pac 12 with 2 losses. Any other year when other conferences are sitting at 12-1 and the winner of the Big 12 is sitting at 11-1 the Big 12 is at a disadvantage. Notre Dame has the same problem but they haven't been in contention enough for their disadvantage to play a big factor.
The problem for the Big 12 is the fact that nobody is going to be raiding the SEC. Nobody is going to raid the Pac 12 because those teams simply will not leave considering their situations. The Big 10 is set with 14 teams and making a ton of money. The ACC is set and has the Grant of Rights factor too. So if any Power 5 conference wants to get to 16 teams where are they going to look? They'll either raid unhappy members in the Big 12 or they'll have to settle for G5 teams. More than likely they'll find plenty of members in the Big 12 that aren't happy and would want to jump ship. Now even if they expand to 14 teams they could still be raided. But it's a lot different going from 14 back to 12 or 10 teams than going from 10 teams back to 6 or 8 teams. It would be tough to survive in the current landscape with 6 or 8 teams. That almost harkens back to the 1980's.
The other reason to expand is based on the Playoff. Oklahoma was lucky to get in and the only reason they did was because Stanford won the Pac 12 with 2 losses. Any other year when other conferences are sitting at 12-1 and the winner of the Big 12 is sitting at 11-1 the Big 12 is at a disadvantage. Notre Dame has the same problem but they haven't been in contention enough for their disadvantage to play a big factor.
There is no rule excluding the Big 12 teams from participating in the playoffs. However, the other conferences like the SEC, ACC and the B1G don't want them included until they have a conference playoff game. Those conferences have a lot of pull and the Big 12 has already seen the exclusion for not having a playoff game.
Actually, there isn't any evidence that the other conferences want to exclude the Big 12 until they have a title game. None of the conferences have come out and said that. The other thing is, the Big 12 doesn't have to expand to have a title game. They can have one right now if they choose, and that solves the problem.
I don't see that as a compelling reason to expand. If you say that the Big 12 is vulnerable even at 12/14 teams, then expansion isn't solving the problem. Even if the Big 12 doesn't expand and gets raided, the teams they are considering taking (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF....) are still going to be available. I really don't see why it would be any more difficult for them to add Cincinnati and UConn after they got raided. If the Big 12 does get raided, it's obviously going to be for Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, West Virginia, etc. At that point, you're screwed anyway, so it doesn't matter if you already have Cincinnati and UConn, or if you have to add them after the fact.
The other thing I don't get is the issue with being 11-1 vs. 12-1. The Big 12 can solve that problem right now. They can simply start up a CCG, and problem solved. That would give them 13 games, just like everyone else. I don't see why they would expand to have a CCG when they can do that anyway.
The bylaws REQUIRE a 75% vote...The ONLY way to get that is 8 teams voting yea for expansion.
Are there bylaws for voting to disband the conference???
Because if there are NONE, 6 of 10 teams are a MAJORITY, and the GOR's are WORTHLESS...And FOX and ESPN can WALK and owe NOTHING to the Conference, or Teams, and the LHN is now DEAD!!!
Oklahoma WANTS change...And CHANGE...IS...COMING...With or WITHOUT Texas approval!!!
BOOMER Sooner WILL Blow Up the Big-12...And the NON Texas Teams WILL side with them!!!
If I were Baylor and TCU, I'd be WORRIED...I'd be VERY WORRIED...Because they're MWC Bound by KISSING Texas @$$!!!
You continue to obsess on the irrelevant...
No one OUTSIDE of the Big XII cares one iota how much money the conference members receive individually or collectively by expanding or not expanding. Money internal to the Big XII is irrelevant to the rest of the world.
And OUTSIDE of the Big XII is EXTERNAL as far as pressure, factors, variables, whatever you wanna call them. THAT is what you were debating in my original post(s). No one gives a flip whether the Big XII expands or doesn't UNLESS that decision bears on the Big XII's prospects for a championship.
You're an idiot who keeps missing the point...
No, you keep missing the point. Here is what you said that began this whole discussion:
It really doesn't matter if the Big XII decides on its own not to expand. If external pressures require it, there will be expansion.
Well, there simply isn't any external pressure. None of the other conference are putting external pressure on the Big 12. Therefore, expansion is going to be decided by internal issues, like I have mentioned.
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Then, why is the Big XII hiring a consultant to evaluate expansion relative to its access to a national championship? And don't tell me they also hired one to investigate the financials--THAT DOESN'T MATTER...
Both the B1G and the SEC have said if the Big 12 doesn't have a playoff game they should not be awarded a spot in the playoffs.
And that's just one example of how others--NOT the Big XII--will decide what the Big XII must do to be eligible. Doesn't matter what the Big XII thinks. Let the Big XII stage their own championship if they disagree...
I really do think that the most logical way to think about this is to view it from the different angles/perspectives of all the interested and involved parties. There's up side and down side for everyone in various degrees. Every conference and all the 'networks' are affected in some way by what does or doesn't happen with the Big 12. And also depending on the time scale that it happens.
It affects viewing options and bowl tie-in deals. And it affects the current CFP system. A change to the Big 12 which increases (or decreases) Big 12 individual member revenues may or may not have an effect upon the other 4 P5's.
The B12 and B10 are in the slowest growing areas of the US, by population, except for the B12 presence in Texas. The B10 teams make a whale of a lot more media $$ than the B12 teams. That media revenue difference is growing.
FOX has just cut a deal with the B10 which will serve to destabilize sports-tv media deals. FOX and ESPN and all the Conferences are affected in some way by this new deal.
The B12's little-eight schools (everyone except Texas and Oklahoma) are not in a very good position.
Texas remains in the catbird seat. They control most of the votes in what is the highest growth state.
It may NOT be in UT's interest to expand. It MAY be in the other 3 Texas schools interest to expand, but they may be effectively prevented from voting for expansion.
Texas in many ways is throwing its weight around in the B12 like Louisville did in the old Metro Conference, which ended up in the Metro's collapse. But, Texas is HUGE. They can just about do what they want, without regard to consequence.
There will probably be a very small pro-rata increase to every existing B12 member's media pkg revenue from an expansion. But, it is going to be so negligible that it wont change the playing field with the B10 or SEC in any significant way.
And, yes, the two or 4 teams that would be brought in to expand the B12 would receive a very disproportionate share of largesse.
It is possible that a majority of B12 teams would financially benefit by blowing the conference up.
Honestly ESPN and FOX and Texas and Oklahoma could all possibly benefit.
The analysts who study what the B12 and its teams should do actually bear a heavy burden to look at every aspect.
This COULD be the time to go to 4x16. ESPN and FOX would need to be the movers and shakers. '
4x16 could make the P5 >> P4 college FB world so much 'fairer' and balanced.
It would not be good for the AAC or the MWC, but it could be better for the other 64+1 teams.
Of course if you're playing Monopoly and you want to run the table and put everybody else out of business, then maybe the B10 and SEC don't want to do that. They want to KILL the B12 and take the fewest members to achieve that. The B10 and SEC may want to get both the B12 AND the ACC out of the picture (either gone or at least irrelevant) through Monopoly board maneuvers carried out over several years.
Texas and Oklahoma have practically ZERO chance of building the B12 up to be a roughly equal credible conference side by side with the B10 and SEC. They would need to draft 4 G5 members. That really weakens the B12 for a very long time.
Make no mistake, what Texas and Oklahoma are dealing with strategically is the overarching power of the B10 and SEC.
It affects viewing options and bowl tie-in deals. And it affects the current CFP system. A change to the Big 12 which increases (or decreases) Big 12 individual member revenues may or may not have an effect upon the other 4 P5's.
The B12 and B10 are in the slowest growing areas of the US, by population, except for the B12 presence in Texas. The B10 teams make a whale of a lot more media $$ than the B12 teams. That media revenue difference is growing.
FOX has just cut a deal with the B10 which will serve to destabilize sports-tv media deals. FOX and ESPN and all the Conferences are affected in some way by this new deal.
The B12's little-eight schools (everyone except Texas and Oklahoma) are not in a very good position.
Texas remains in the catbird seat. They control most of the votes in what is the highest growth state.
It may NOT be in UT's interest to expand. It MAY be in the other 3 Texas schools interest to expand, but they may be effectively prevented from voting for expansion.
Texas in many ways is throwing its weight around in the B12 like Louisville did in the old Metro Conference, which ended up in the Metro's collapse. But, Texas is HUGE. They can just about do what they want, without regard to consequence.
There will probably be a very small pro-rata increase to every existing B12 member's media pkg revenue from an expansion. But, it is going to be so negligible that it wont change the playing field with the B10 or SEC in any significant way.
And, yes, the two or 4 teams that would be brought in to expand the B12 would receive a very disproportionate share of largesse.
It is possible that a majority of B12 teams would financially benefit by blowing the conference up.
Honestly ESPN and FOX and Texas and Oklahoma could all possibly benefit.
The analysts who study what the B12 and its teams should do actually bear a heavy burden to look at every aspect.
This COULD be the time to go to 4x16. ESPN and FOX would need to be the movers and shakers. '
4x16 could make the P5 >> P4 college FB world so much 'fairer' and balanced.
It would not be good for the AAC or the MWC, but it could be better for the other 64+1 teams.
Of course if you're playing Monopoly and you want to run the table and put everybody else out of business, then maybe the B10 and SEC don't want to do that. They want to KILL the B12 and take the fewest members to achieve that. The B10 and SEC may want to get both the B12 AND the ACC out of the picture (either gone or at least irrelevant) through Monopoly board maneuvers carried out over several years.
Texas and Oklahoma have practically ZERO chance of building the B12 up to be a roughly equal credible conference side by side with the B10 and SEC. They would need to draft 4 G5 members. That really weakens the B12 for a very long time.
Make no mistake, what Texas and Oklahoma are dealing with strategically is the overarching power of the B10 and SEC.
Yes, THE FINANACES MATTER. If the finances don't matter, THEN WHY DID THE Big 12 HIRE A FIRM TO EVALUATE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT?
The Big 12 is going to evaluate how expansion impacts ALL facets of the conference. You are trying to claim that it's only the playoffs, and nothing else. Well frankly that's stupid. The commissioner of the conference himself said finances are going to play a part in expansion. You simply cannot claim finances don't play a part, WHEN THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DAMN CONFERENCE JUST SAID IT DOES!
The Big 12 is going to weigh all the options. If the financial losses outweigh the increased odds of making the playoffs, then the Big 12 won't expand.
Because your finances only matter to the Big XII. That is an INTERNAL issue. They matter to no one else--that would be an EXTERNAL issue.
Like I said, you're an idiot...
Flyover country - why is the Big 12 so boring and geographically large? Imagine it sinking and making flights to San Francisco 2 hours instead of watching corn for 2 additional hours?
Is that so hard?
Internal issues matter. The Big 12 isn't expanding for the benefit of other conferences. The Big 12 is only expanding for its own benefit. Hint, that means INTERNAL issues. The commissioner of the Big 12 conference said this himself. You are just clueless on this topic.
"Clueless" is not keeping track of your own arguments...
