NCAA Enforcement
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Sounds like word salad for nobody will enforce anything….. that doesn’t benefit the sez and big the most.
No clue what's going on with it all.
Some fans wanted changes but more than likely whatever changes are made won't be satisfying and might actually hurt our programs, steering things back to the chosen ones.
Some fans wanted changes but more than likely whatever changes are made won't be satisfying and might actually hurt our programs, steering things back to the chosen ones.
IOW, the schools were always running the NCAA. Now, there's an attempt to control NIL and the portal at the conference leadership level. IOW, put these players back in "their place".... But is that collusion, the courts will probably say yes. Players now have $ to afford attorneys. So these things will be tied in court a long time probably.
That $ flow is cool for the suits but once the players started cutting into the pie that was just no good for higher ups and unfortunately some fans don't quite get how those landscape changes helped our BB team turn it around overnight and the FB team standing being improved too. So you hear slogans like "Wild Wild West" and "Outta control" as now a different part of the population is reaching into the pot of gold that's been sitting there for decades - but nobody cared, until players started hitting the lottery too.
MSM carries the suit torch by emphasizing the "madness" and how something's gotta change. Gotta keep that access to Saban and Kirbys of the world. It's no good for ESPN having players opt out of their bowl season too. It's all a con, always has been.
Sad.
That $ flow is cool for the suits but once the players started cutting into the pie that was just no good for higher ups and unfortunately some fans don't quite get how those landscape changes helped our BB team turn it around overnight and the FB team standing being improved too. So you hear slogans like "Wild Wild West" and "Outta control" as now a different part of the population is reaching into the pot of gold that's been sitting there for decades - but nobody cared, until players started hitting the lottery too.
MSM carries the suit torch by emphasizing the "madness" and how something's gotta change. Gotta keep that access to Saban and Kirbys of the world. It's no good for ESPN having players opt out of their bowl season too. It's all a con, always has been.
Sad.
Further evidence of NCAA irrelevance; it will take more time, but I can foresee the time when the NCAA is absorbed by the Power Conferences.
If not superseded entirely by the power conferences, which I think is at hand. All that seems to be left for the NCAA are the mid-majors, Division II and III. A sad time for college athletics.
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The writing is on the wall. I saw an article from CBS where a CSC is creating options to allow conferences to kick schools out if they break rules. Why invest as a fan on something where powers can simply unplug you or just kick you out? They aren't going to treat all programs the same.
It's turned into background music. I'll put the TV on it while I'm doing other things. Really. Good luck everybody.
It's turned into background music. I'll put the TV on it while I'm doing other things. Really. Good luck everybody.
Is she the spokesperson for the NCAA? I don’t think so. As far as I’m concerned… if this is the case… we go ahead and put out a statement that… after further review, Khalifa has been ruled eligible to play next season 😁
Sorry for the suggestion of politics here, but it is undeniable that NCAA is as politicized as any institution in this country. Like it or not, this Trump Administration is challenging institutions that have exhibited bias against groups of people they don’t like or disagree with. The original concept of the NCAA was based on protecting amateur athletics; look out that got pancaked! Sometimes the only resort left is elimination, and that may be approaching the NCAA sooner rather than later.
The original concept of the NCAA was NOT to protect amateur athletics.
The NCAA was created to be a front to protect the schools' image while the schools take all the $ generated on their con.
So, if the NCAA goes away or not, it won't matter. The intent for the schools is to take all the $, no matter what they "call" their next rule creating and rule enforcement squad. The SCOTUS said that's a no-no a few years ago. And there's a settlement around the corner. The con is over, although some either can't see it or just don't want to, and the schools may just try the con again! Why not!
But, like others say, "things change" and who knows what the SCOTUS would say now. The players have plenty of representation legally, even if the NCAA doesn't want to give them any voice within the parameters of the industry.
Tied up in courts for a while is my guess.
The NCAA was created to be a front to protect the schools' image while the schools take all the $ generated on their con.
So, if the NCAA goes away or not, it won't matter. The intent for the schools is to take all the $, no matter what they "call" their next rule creating and rule enforcement squad. The SCOTUS said that's a no-no a few years ago. And there's a settlement around the corner. The con is over, although some either can't see it or just don't want to, and the schools may just try the con again! Why not!
But, like others say, "things change" and who knows what the SCOTUS would say now. The players have plenty of representation legally, even if the NCAA doesn't want to give them any voice within the parameters of the industry.
Tied up in courts for a while is my guess.
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The NCAA did this to themselves.
It is not possible, even for someone my age (75) to go back to 1906, the time in which the NCAA was created. However, most history accounts identify Teddy Roosevelt’s influence in the creation of the organization was in large point to protect amateur athletics. With that said, you are correct that “original concept” was more a result of Teddy stepping in as the huge fan of football, after witnessing 19 players killed while playing in just one year.
The NCAA was initially created to look @ impact on health. As the sport grew around the 1950s there was concern TV viewership would impact ticket sales, meaning the primary focus of the NCAA to the modern era from the 1970s forward was all about $. It was never about amateurism or education, all that stuff is a ruse to distract the masses while the schools control the $. So 150 yrs ago it wasn't about the $ yet, but early on in the 1920s the shift began and for about the last 5 or 6 decades of modern era life that's all it's about - $ and the attempt to keep it all with the elites.
For decades the con was carried out somehow players got to high courts and won their cases. But now it is hard to say what those same courts will say or do as the redistribution of wealth has made some people uncomfortable, elites who need control and masses who at best are jealous. There's really no argument for restraining earnings, it's not something anyone ever applied to coaches or schools on those massive TV contracts, just players. Yeah, players making $ has upset people, but elites no biggie.
It turns out the players value and worth far exceeds the con, making it nearly impossible to put the genie back into the bottle.
If they try to "fix corruption" that doesn't really exist with all this, it's just a form of corruption they are attempting to apply. People might feel more comfortable having the exchange of illegal payments shift back to behind closed doors, giving fans some plausible deniability.
For decades the con was carried out somehow players got to high courts and won their cases. But now it is hard to say what those same courts will say or do as the redistribution of wealth has made some people uncomfortable, elites who need control and masses who at best are jealous. There's really no argument for restraining earnings, it's not something anyone ever applied to coaches or schools on those massive TV contracts, just players. Yeah, players making $ has upset people, but elites no biggie.
It turns out the players value and worth far exceeds the con, making it nearly impossible to put the genie back into the bottle.
If they try to "fix corruption" that doesn't really exist with all this, it's just a form of corruption they are attempting to apply. People might feel more comfortable having the exchange of illegal payments shift back to behind closed doors, giving fans some plausible deniability.
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I agree that the primary objective of the NCAA is to maximize profit. They do that by putting the “right” teams in place to compel maximum viewership. MLB does the same by smoothing the path for certain teams from the beginning of the season. They spend six months generating a narrative then hope those teams get into the world series. Yankees v Dodgers every year.
In neither case is “fairness “ a part of the equation.
If an upstart upsets their narrative they fall back on their Cinderella Story theme but their first choice is a battle of titans. They would prefer Duke, pUKe, Kansas, and UNC in every Final Four.
They don’t care if everyone hates those teams. Watch any reality tv show. Most of the contestants are intentionally obnoxious. People watch hoping “the one I hate” gets voted off.
In neither case is “fairness “ a part of the equation.
If an upstart upsets their narrative they fall back on their Cinderella Story theme but their first choice is a battle of titans. They would prefer Duke, pUKe, Kansas, and UNC in every Final Four.
They don’t care if everyone hates those teams. Watch any reality tv show. Most of the contestants are intentionally obnoxious. People watch hoping “the one I hate” gets voted off.
Rehang our banners. Reclaim our trophies. Put all on full display.
There were opportunities in the past, as there are still ways to gain control of College Sports from these inequitable conditions and the biases that plague the institutions. Industries and businesses alike have structures that protect ownership, management and workers from this “out of control” situation that we have now with college athletics. As UofLouisville simply and correctly stated above ………..”absence of meaningful oversight”.
Just wait until the hard working peolple whom struggle to send their kids and themselves to school.Have to keep paying rising tuition rates. Taking your hard earned dollars paying athletes whom are not even held to any academic standards . But a regular student will get kicked out for grades .And you dont get that money back.
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^^^
Guy is worried about owner and management protections.
They laughed their way to the bank for decades on an illegal con.
Somebody save the owners and managers please. They are the real victims here and always have been.
Oh, and somebody save the workers from the free market, restrain their $, it's the right thing to do.
Yikes.
You like Capitalism for owners and managers but not workers/players. You mentioned wanting protections for owners and management.
You never complained about anything "being out of control" until players started getting a cut.
If it was amateurism, it would be 100% nonprofit across the board. But all that corporate raking for decades, nothing to see there. It was a con, you didn't care all that time, but you do now.
You can't make it make sense logically or refute anything I say, so you project with your accusation of nonsensical posting. You tap out. Soon you will pull a victim card or something. I'm outnumbered here you will get some likes it's all good.
Capitalism for me but not for thee.
You're scratching the surface with this.
If you wanted to hit the HR on it, you'd point out college should be free or at the very least cost nothing near what it costs.
But again, the machine has been running for so long people struggle to see it for what it is.
Those billions of dollars the ncaa raked in sure could buy a good education for alot of people, that's for sure.
Such an incredibly naive approach, typical of a true socialist. Without “Ownership/Management”, there would be no game for the players. For almost a century, a college education was sufficient reward for the college athlete, and for those worthy of further compensation, they received ample exposure for a professional career.
I never mentioned “out of control before NIL”, because while the system may not have been perfect, it was clearly NOT out of control.
I never mentioned “out of control before NIL”, because while the system may not have been perfect, it was clearly NOT out of control.
Speaking of NCAA enforcement, when do we expect to hear about Khalifa's appeal? The longer we wait makes me wonder if he will be a Cardinal this year.
LOL! True socialist. Smart guy I'm ADVOCATING FOR CAPITALISM, the exact opposite of a what a true socialist advocates for. Keep throwing around those buzzwords you don't even understand.
Without the players there is no game to watch. There is no team without the players, mgt, or owners. The point is it is a group effort and everyone should cash in. Players shouldn't be waiting for further compensation when their efforts generate millions to billions for owners and mgt.
The SCOTUS ruled your old way was illegal. 9-0. Illegal = out of control - it was an illegal enterprise.
Settlement to backpay 2.7 billion $ that is screaming the crime was out of control.
The free market and an agreed 20.5M future per year payment further confirming your century old "reward" reference isn't close to the players actual real value. You are detached from reality.
Now you are reduced to insulting me.
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I’m pretty sure that if the whole thing goes to shit and there are no games, We will find something to do.
The sad part is, most of these “student athletes” are going to have to get a real job, and they are going to take a cut in salary.
Curious to see how they handle that.
The sad part is, most of these “student athletes” are going to have to get a real job, and they are going to take a cut in salary.
Curious to see how they handle that.
LOL! This reads like one of those manifestos left behind.
But popcorn no butter.
How much pain, struggling, and suffering would you be hoping to see in this wet dream of yours for these people you've never met that just wanted to participate in the free market you participate in?
Tough low paying jobs? Mild struggle? We know you have a rooting interest don't be shy.
Or are you looking for a HR - addiction, crime, lifetime of poverty? Disability? Serious injury? Early death? Suffering for all their friends and families?
You introduce a theory/scenario where a million-to-billion-dollar industry that had record viewership last year might crash. But I'm on drugs for asking a few follow-up questions. It sure looks like the Stock Market crash of 1932 is right around the corner Roll 'Em good point.
In your detached from reality on drugs dream preview, you aren't "curious" to see how the coaches handle their new lot in life in your dream. You do claim fans will be fine which seems unlikely as the tears in threads like these say otherwise, but sure it's your dream not mine so carry on with that.
If your dream came true coaches would also be off the gravy train you seem to not like. To Assistant management at Arby's they go for many, if they are that lucky. Coaches end up fine like the fans. Everyone lands on their feet except for those greedy ungrateful players. Sure.
So yeah, I was just trying to ask how much you hate these players given this hilarious dream of yours you shared where you are "curious" to see how only those players would handle the end of college sports. You don't have to examine it, but spare me the personal insults where you call me crazy for asking. Or insult me if that's all you got. It's all good either way.
Cheers.
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