Man these 2 announcers blow.
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The narrative was to push why the mighty SEC team was going to lose to UofL again. They had to lay the excuses down thick and often.
ESPN owns the SEC network and they pimp it, protect it, and hype it. I don't care. UofL won. Texas A&M lost. That's all that matters.
ESPN owns the SEC network and they pimp it, protect it, and hype it. I don't care. UofL won. Texas A&M lost. That's all that matters.
Too many games in a short period and not enough on-air talent for ESPN to handle. Ware wasn't bad on color, but the announcer was horrible.
Ware was very complimentary of the Jackson and the future of the Cards. He said "Beware in 2016" of the Cards. I liked him.
I have to agree. Ware was so all over the Cards for their breath-taking first quarter, the entire galaxy was wondering where his lips were. He risked some censure but he still raved on about Lamar, Fields, Harvy-Clemons and the UofL club last night who witnessed the loss of their two best defensive players on the first dam play of the game. Wate was awesome, Louisvillian, lol...............for the mostest part.
Nothing against Andre Ware and he was very complimentary of the Cards but what drove me batty was on Louisville's entire drive early in the 4th Qtr leading only 27-14 those 2 announcers never even paid attention to what was going on in the game as if Louisville was up 42-14 and it was over. For like 10 straight plays with the game in the balance they never shut up about Sumlin and the A&M QB situation.
Sure enough our drive stalled and A&M got the ball back and promptly cut the lead to 6 with 5 minutes yet to play. The play by play guy then actually commented on the game in saying "just like that A&M is back in it!"
They made Dick Vitale look like Pat Summerall by comparison. Great win though!
Sure enough our drive stalled and A&M got the ball back and promptly cut the lead to 6 with 5 minutes yet to play. The play by play guy then actually commented on the game in saying "just like that A&M is back in it!"
They made Dick Vitale look like Pat Summerall by comparison. Great win though!
Don't forget LouisVillain, not only do they have a 'script', they have producers to tell
them what to talk about.
Andre wasnt heavily recruited by A&M, or they told him he couldn't play QB. Couple
that with A&M beating UH three times with Andre there, he felt good about them losing.
Nevertheless, if he wants to keep broadcasting, he has to show enthusiasm. A&M
made it a one score game, so its natural to be re-intersted. He did a good job.
them what to talk about.
Andre wasnt heavily recruited by A&M, or they told him he couldn't play QB. Couple
that with A&M beating UH three times with Andre there, he felt good about them losing.
Nevertheless, if he wants to keep broadcasting, he has to show enthusiasm. A&M
made it a one score game, so its natural to be re-intersted. He did a good job.
You are probably right but that's really sad when the game itself is not what people are interested in. I guess I'm getting older but gimme the Pat Summeralls and Ray Scotts of the world.
Wasn't Andre on that Houston team that hung 105 points on a team or was that David Klingler?.
Youre right about old school announcers. I'll watch an old game on NFL network or
espin classics,or youtube and its all football/basketball talk with no agendas.
Not the crap we have today. Especially 'SEC' favortism.
espin classics,or youtube and its all football/basketball talk with no agendas.
Not the crap we have today. Especially 'SEC' favortism.
I looked it up, both Tom Hart and Andre Ware work for ESPN's SEC Network.
They've got to make excuses to protect their bread and butter the $EC. Otherwise, how could poor little ol UofL beat the mighty Texas A&M without there being some shred of issues within said school? It's a pathetic business model if you ask me. People want the truth.
I disagree with you.
Very few people want the truth. Most people want somebody to tell them what they want to believe. That is why Matt Jones has a job.
The refs last nite must work for the SEC too. I don't know how CBP kept from going after them. OMG. I know there was a whole season on horrible calls from across the big 5. What league were the refs from last nite? Sucked and the reviews were sooooo long.
I thought Ware was fair and numerous times complimented the Cards. However, the officiating and review crew need to be fired. At least 5 calls went against the Cards and one against TA&M. Still can't believe the PF on Burgess and not ruling Quick stretched for the 1st down.
Great win for the Cards. Looking forward to next year.
Great win for the Cards. Looking forward to next year.
Thanks bardman for the info on Big 12 crew. That crew was even worse than I realized after coming home and watching the game again. Horrible play calling and review crew was even worse.
Count me as another Andre Ware fan. He will help us on next year's pre-season football talk.
Honestly, I am at a loss how it "promotes" the SEC to discuss an ongoing problem at Texas A&M. When your top two QB's quit between the end of the regular season and the team's bowl game, one has to suspect something is amiss. How that somehow makes that team's conference look better or fits some pro conference agenda is beyond me.
Most college football fans were aware of the situation going into the game and no one was thinking A&M would win as a result of it. That is why the line went from A&M -3 or 4 to UofL -4 or 5. The questions were relevant topics of discussion.
Mainly because they continued to make the point over and over and over and over and over again. I understand the need to report the topic, but not when it leads every new segment after a timeout, or even more than once during the SAME segment. I got it. We ALL got it. Texas A&M was missing 2 five star QB's who quit the team and moved on. It was news before the game. It was news multiple times during the game, but now we're not hearing anything about it. Now it's about the record wins for SEC teams with 8 bowl game wins. It's all I've heard, over and over and over yet again. Odd huh.
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And, by the way, our QB was the THIRD STRING qb for UofL at the beginning of the season. I wonder how come that wasn't mentioned? Ware wasn't bad but his sidekick's lips were firmly planed on the $ec's butt. We were the better team and A&M's backup qb was pretty damn good in my book. It did take awhile for him to get his confidence but in the 2nd half he was playing very well especially for a kid that had only played about 30 plays all season. So, yes, we beat a good/decent $ec team.
GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!
GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!
TCU lost Boykin and came back to win. The kid who actually played did a good job. I don't think their other QBs would have delivered a victory for them. Their season stats weren't all that impressive, frankly. aTm lost because they had no answer for Lamar Jackson, not because their QB didn't play well. He did.
I never thought their point had anything to do with whether the replacement could or did perform adequate to the task. Their point was the broader question of what is going on internally at Texas A&M to have lead to this situation. You are clearly missing a few layers of skin.
As in most threads the theme gets hijacked for whatever reason (I've done it myself) and this one is no different.
The original post had nothing to do with Andre Ware not liking Louisville or not being a good guy or not being knowledgable. It also was not about an SEC bias.
It was about the fact that the 2 guys calling the game which was very much up for grabs at the time paying absolutely no attention to the game on the field while yakking for an extended time (almost 2 drives) about the Sumlin situation.
It was like listening to Dick Vitale talk for 10 minutes about Coach K's legacy while your team's 16 point lead is cut to 2 while playing Duke.
The original post had nothing to do with Andre Ware not liking Louisville or not being a good guy or not being knowledgable. It also was not about an SEC bias.
It was about the fact that the 2 guys calling the game which was very much up for grabs at the time paying absolutely no attention to the game on the field while yakking for an extended time (almost 2 drives) about the Sumlin situation.
It was like listening to Dick Vitale talk for 10 minutes about Coach K's legacy while your team's 16 point lead is cut to 2 while playing Duke.
Well, I can't say what the OP's point was. That is his call. But, the very first reply was by Cue Card and it stated: "The narrative was to push why the mighty SEC team was going to lose to UofL again. They had to lay the excuses down thick and often.
ESPN owns the SEC network and they pimp it, protect it, and hype it. I don't care. UofL won. Texas A&M lost. That's all that matters."
I guess I was responding more to that than the original.
Frankly, I don't really care what the announcers talk about as long as it is related to college football. I like baseball, but I don't want them going on and on about some baseball topic. Likewise, if I am watching baseball, I want them to talk about baseball and not college football. Maybe that is why commercials irritate me so much.
What portion of my post was inaccurate? ESPN does own the SEC network (Well the main company owns both), and it is in their best interest to protect their product. Is that not accurate? Last time the Cardinals played a real SEC team and won, it was because that team was "disinterested". Now this time around it was due to all the internal turmoil surrounding the program. I call it excuses and they made the same excuse over and over again.
I don't recall hearing how UofL had its own issues at QB most of the year. All I heard was how Jackson came in and led the come back win over (you guess it) an SEC team in the prior game. Then it was back to the same narrative about A&M having 2 awesome five star stud players leave the program which had left A&M and coach Sumlin in total disarray. The announcers had their marching orders and like good company men, they toed the line.
JMO.
This year I decided to look at the FOUR LETTER network as SEpn and then everything they do and say is very understandable. They are Living INFOMERCIAL for their products, SEC sports, NBA, NASCAR, MLB, NFL, etc. Their play by play announcers are really stand up AD readers, their color announcers are spokespersons for their view. Now I can watch SEPN for my event.
It is sad to see a network grow from Rugby and college football reruns to the Gold Standard of sports broadcasting and migrate to where they are today. I am holding out hope that one of the other options will become the Gold Standard, you know - SPORTS first, where the event, teams, and participants are the story.
Yes, Disney owns the SEC network. It also owns the Longhorn Network and has something to do with the development of the ACC network. So what? I will go back to what I said previously: what is the advantage to A&M or the broader SEC in ESPN repeatedly discussing a serious internal problem (potentially) at A&M?
The issues faced by UofL at QB are not the same. UL went through so many QB's because none of them could consistently get the job done. That is completely different than both QB's up and quitting the team before the bowl game. UL's problems may raise questions about recruiting and development, but A&M's problems raise doubts about more serious questions.
As to the reference to the Florida game, yes, some raised doubts as to Florida's motivation for the game. So what? Sean McDonough calling that game referred to Florida "sleep walking" in the first quarter. Again, so what? Let's even go so far as to say you are correct: ESPN has a preference for the SEC and the announcers have their marching orders. Exactly how many points on the scoreboard come as a result of that?
Grow some thicker skin.
It has nothing to do with thicker skin so please stop trying to make this personal between you and I. It's just an observation that I've noticed and I'm not alone. It gets old hearing the same old narrative especially when it holds no merit. How is a program that is trying to reach those heights ever supposed to get there if they don't get a fair and balanced description of their progress along the way? It matters because perception is everything. A fair and balanced report could help recruiting. We'll never know though because we're always lucky, or the other team isn't interested, or there is some other excuse...er...reason for why things are the way they are.
I think most everyone posting here understands Cardinals football is a work in progress. We're not there yet but there is a clear path on how to get there, so NOW it can possibly happen. Because more established programs get more socially accepted latitude doesn't mean they're always better. Maybe the people who support those more established programs need thicker skin instead of making up excuses when things don't work out as planned. That includes the corporations who have billions invested in their products. Maybe they need to upgrade the way they think!
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First of all, I don't think this is personal. As far as I know, this time it has nothing to do with anything I said. But, I do think you and many others are way too sensitive to what broadcasters say. Unless they spend the entire four hours fawning over your team, you act like they shot your dog. I heard about the big blow up on one message board last month over some announcer expressing his opinion that pitino should move on due to all the controversies. Again, so what? That's his opinion. It may or may not be shared by the powers that be at UofL - but theirs' are the only opinions that count.
The other thing I don't get about you guys is the announcers were not criticizing UofL - they were questioning A&M. It had nothing to do with UofL. But, once again, since they were not spending that air time fawning over UofL, somehow that is a dis. The "story" coming into that game was not how UofL progressed through the season, it was about the starting and primary backup QB's at A&M walking away prior to the bowl game. If UofL had been the first team ever to have performance issues during the year but still make it to a bowl game, maybe they would have talked about it more. But rather than UofL being the first, it was roughly the 3,569th team to do that. Not particularly interesting air filler.
Honestly, I doubt very many recruits base their decisions on what the play-by-play guy says or doesn't say.
Telling me to grow thicker skin isn't personal? OK then. As always Cardlaw is right and the rest of us are always wrong.
Go Clemson.
Whatever, dude. If you want to be miserable the rest of your life worried about some announcer not showing your team the love go right ahead.
It reminds me of a certain fan base that floods ESPN with hate mail every time they say something nice about Duke or mention it rained today in Lexington as if either were automatically a dis of their team. I said a long time ago UofL had become "UK West" - at least in terms of the fan bases. Maybe UofL should go ahead and officially change its name to "Kentucky-Louisville".
Yep, that's me. You got me. Maybe I should just give in and follow the fray and scream Go Tide! What say you? I mean the Crimson Tide never gets disrespected even after buying players. People just blindly follow them because Bear Bryant was a God, and now another God is in control of the team. Maybe I'll just fall in line and let people like you tell me what's best for me. I have no idea why I ever thought I could form my own opinion. I should know better by now. Thanks for setting me back on the right path Cardlaw! Where on earth would we all be without your all knowing knowledge?
Yep, that's me. You got me. Maybe I should just give in and follow the fray and scream Go Tide! What say you? I mean the Crimson Tide never gets disrespected even after buying players. People just blindly follow them because Bear Bryant was a God, and now another God is in control of the team. Maybe I'll just fall in line and let people like you tell me what's best for me. I have no idea why I ever thought I could form my own opinion. I should know better by now. Thanks for setting me back on the right path Cardlaw! Where on earth would we all be without your all knowing knowledge?
Sorry. I missed the day when Alabama did not come under scrutiny or was not criticized. Could you point it out so I can go back and relive it. Maybe it was a day that did not totally suck for me in real life.
Beyond the fact that you clearly missed the point. If the announcers Monday spend the entire four hours praising Clemson, I won't care. Just talk college football and show me every play. That is all I care about.
Oh I got the point Cardlaw. I get it. You are always right and everyone else is always wrong. If I (or anyone else who posts on this board for that matter) complains about something that you feel is not worthy of a complaint, then it's simply wrong and that should be the end of the discussion once you point it out. If I try to carry on a conversation about it, you want to show how superior you are in every way as you talk down to me like I'm a peasant. I'm sorry if I crossed a line you disapprove of. I'll try to do better in the future.
Up till now I have refrained from posting but will comment. I think cardlaw and cue make good points but I will address the OP. I did not take exception to the announcers. As quite a few stated, ware was very complimentary to us, especially Jackson as he stood out from everyone else. hart was boring but he's the play by play guy so I don't expect him to be as colorful. IMHO like Cardlaw, I don't see how talking about a perceived problem or issue with your HC, QB coach and your 2 transfers is a positive spin for your program. Quite the contrary, but it was a hot topic in College football and needed to be discussed because it involved one of the teams playing. I'm sure other fans wouldn't want their announcers talking about A&M if they weren't even playing. If it was last year or year before the story would have been about Petrino and his sons of anarchy ride. Also in a different light, if you watched the wake basketball game, they brought up the scandal during the game. The media which includes sports announcers feel that they have to stay current with the most recent story or else they are considered uninformed.
I really didn't have any problem with the announcers reporting the situation surrounding the A&M program. As it's been pointed out, that was news and worth reporting. It was NOT worth reporting what seemed like (I am exaggerating here) 1000 times especially during a time frame during the game when the outcome of the game was still in the balance. That was the portion I personally took exception to. The only reason they would continue to harp on the status of the A&M program is to make excuses for them just in case somehow the SEC team ended up losing the game. What other reason is there to CONTINUE to beat that dead horse? We got it and understood the first 100 times it was told.
Regarding the scandal references during WF game, yes the announcers brought it up, ONCE. Then it was back to the game and things moved forward. I was fine with that. The scandal is news and needs to be reported. It was. ONCE.
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