Am I worried? Maybe a little. But not so much. You never know anything for sure. I'm just waiting for actual proof. It is wait and see at this point.
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Am I worried? Maybe a little. But not so much. You never know anything for sure. I'm just waiting for actual proof. It is wait and see at this point.
It's fun watching positions on topics change as more information is revealed.
My position has always been Kentucky's not doing anything wrong. I've not been proven wrong yet.
You seem to think my response was directed to you. But I didn't quote post you, meaning I don't care about what you've saying about the topic.
My post was in regards to the OP's point - Many fans who were quick to judge other programs that found trouble now have different positions when their favorite team is brought into review.
Even though you don't care what I've saying on the topic, I agree. Especially the Arizona's of the college basketball world.
I'm going to backtrack on the "don't care" - I appreciate anybody that brings a point of view to discussion. Your point has been made, I don't really have a counter for it because I can't see the future.
I'm just enjoying other fans being in position of review.
What the hell is wrong with you!? You actually trust that slimball of a coach that much? You can see where it got us with “dick” Pitino. Your being naive is stupid and ignorant. Oh excuse me, you are a uahkay fan. What was I thinking!?
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Key word being 'yet'. It's coming. No other program signed more first round draft choices, and the key words from the FBI was and I am paraphrasing 'if your school had a first round draft choice in the past few years, then be worried.'
It is coming.
What has been released so far?? Do you have access to the internet? Do you own a TV?
Here's a summary: the FBI is investigating agents and shoe companies who pay amateur players and their families while they briefly attend college.
The agents and shoe companies do this because of the one and done rule in CBB. The players and their families do this because it's, you know, money. It's not illegal, but it's an NCAA violation.
There is a roughly 9 month window for families to wait for a really talented player to go from HS to the NBA. Shoe companies and agents view this 9 month window as a reasonable amount of time to invest money and wait to reap their services for likely profits just briefly down the road in the way of agent fees and shoe sponsorship alliances. It's most prevalent in basketball, because the current rules in place only mandate this short 9 month window to wait for their professional collaboration and a financial return.
So, Addidas, Nike and lots of agents partake in this activity, which, again, is perfectly legal as long as you claim the income, but in violation of NCAA rules. I suspect the FBI is interested mostly because there's millions in unclaimed income out there from dudes who are rich now and can pay those back taxes owed.
So far, we've heard about Adidas payouts to Bowen and Ayton to name a few and we've seen one reported list from one agent, which contains players like BAM and Noel to name a few. There will be more reports regarding shoe company payouts and other agents. The teams most at risk would be the teams with the most one and done players.
Does that help tie things together?
Here's a summary: the FBI is investigating agents and shoe companies who pay amateur players and their families while they briefly attend college.
The agents and shoe companies do this because of the one and done rule in CBB. The players and their families do this because it's, you know, money. It's not illegal, but it's an NCAA violation.
There is a roughly 9 month window for families to wait for a really talented player to go from HS to the NBA. Shoe companies and agents view this 9 month window as a reasonable amount of time to invest money and wait to reap their services for likely profits just briefly down the road in the way of agent fees and shoe sponsorship alliances. It's most prevalent in basketball, because the current rules in place only mandate this short 9 month window to wait for their professional collaboration and a financial return.
So, Addidas, Nike and lots of agents partake in this activity, which, again, is perfectly legal as long as you claim the income, but in violation of NCAA rules. I suspect the FBI is interested mostly because there's millions in unclaimed income out there from dudes who are rich now and can pay those back taxes owed.
So far, we've heard about Adidas payouts to Bowen and Ayton to name a few and we've seen one reported list from one agent, which contains players like BAM and Noel to name a few. There will be more reports regarding shoe company payouts and other agents. The teams most at risk would be the teams with the most one and done players.
Does that help tie things together?
Someone remind me again, which program has had the most one and done players since the NBA rule was implemented?
Knox is fine with this issue. But if he had dinner with one agent common sense would make you think he was shopping and got a better offer. Let’s say hypothetically with Nike. That is why your fan base should be concerned. This is the ugly side of college sports and will involve many. We all suspected it. Now it’s in plain site. There should be little finger pointing because this has just begun. And it’s going to be nasty.
Haven’t I seen some UK fans on here recently saying what happened didn’t matter because RP should’ve known, thus the buck stops at his feet? Now all of a sudden attitudes have changed. Coach D cup can’t be involved because he didn’t know. What a bunch of maroons.
It will be real interesting . All mid majors and the non blue blood schools that make up the majority of the NCAA are going to hold the schools they have been complaining for decades accountable.
It think the loans will get completely ignored pushed under the table as long as a coach wasn't tied to the loan in any way. I don't believe the NCAA will vacate wins. I wonder what Notre Dame's reaction is going to be.
They will go after the universities where a coach was clearly involved.
It think the loans will get completely ignored pushed under the table as long as a coach wasn't tied to the loan in any way. I don't believe the NCAA will vacate wins. I wonder what Notre Dame's reaction is going to be.
They will go after the universities where a coach was clearly involved.
I agree I think this is a likely outcome - i.e. - NCAA will only make a program pay if there is amazing concrete evidence - video/audio/$ trail that just can't be ignored.
That is, if the NCAA remains as a group.
Doubt that. The old boy blue bloods control the NCAA and hold the power. Akron and Central Florida are not going to be e factor in what the NCAA does.
And the guy the FBI should have been wiretapping for years, WWW, the godfather of all this, will not even be looked at while the low level guys get charged.
I’m hoping that the jury is still out on this question of WWW. But you are probably right.
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2 completely different situations. What happened at Louisville was happening on campus and by folks directly tied to the program. And allegedly by Pitino himself (Coach 2).
If it comes out Cal is recorded or some of his assistants are recorded, then it comes a matter of him knowing. Until then it looks like, *so far*, this is prior to going to college and could be due to handlers, etc trying to influence kids to a specific school.
Speaking to that, one thought on Bam is that someone, a coach maybe, was given money to stear him to NC State but hev didn't go or sign. Hence the "bad loan." Maybe it's wishful thinking, maybe it's what happened. We should see in time.
You left out the most likely scenario - Cal knowing but he and assistants not being directly involved in the actual transactions, but maybe playing a minor role in setting them up- instead leaving that to the agents/middle-men types/boosters.
Where does the $ trail take all this...
And that is where it "could" get interesting - if those individuals the FBI appears to be looking at, decide to flip and plea - then the question becomes "Who is going down with them"
Which could be some major players in some capacity, either within programs or at shoe companies.
I mean we really do not know.
Fans celebrating other programs demise are obviously premature.
Fans saying there's no evidence are obviously in denial to some degree.
I expect some amber alerts for quite a few slapd!cks over the next several weeks...
"Your coach should have known." Not much wiggle room in that statement.
And if your player took money from anyone for any reason related to basketball, he "professionalized" which means he's ineligible to play college basketball, period. Your other stuff doesn't matter.
Long term one of the best things that could happen would be the investigation of the NCAA as an organization and the elimination of the NCAA.
The individual schools make up the NCAA. It's not a standalone operation. It's rules were voted on by the members so how do you go about getting rid of it?
The head coach of a team is like a ships captain.
If you're crew gets lapse or drunk on duty, it's your job to straighten them out.
If you hit an iceberg and sink, there isn't a life boat with your chair in it.
Doesn't matter if the captain is named Pitino, Williams, Miller or Calipari.
That was my stand on Pitino having to leave UofL. Not whether he 'knew', but because part of that job is to be accountable, and after the situation at Minardi, he was even more on notice.
John Calipari is no different in that responsibility. Kentucky goes down, so should he.
If you're crew gets lapse or drunk on duty, it's your job to straighten them out.
If you hit an iceberg and sink, there isn't a life boat with your chair in it.
Doesn't matter if the captain is named Pitino, Williams, Miller or Calipari.
That was my stand on Pitino having to leave UofL. Not whether he 'knew', but because part of that job is to be accountable, and after the situation at Minardi, he was even more on notice.
John Calipari is no different in that responsibility. Kentucky goes down, so should he.
