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Joseph Chartouny

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Also getting in the door with Top 20 5* PF Jordan Brown for the 2018 class! The recruitment is wide open with him. Should see Mack and Peagues visit him sometime.

Zach Johnson (FGCU) visits UofL on Monday
We visit Top 75 4* SF Greg Gantt Jr Mon. for ‘19
We visit Joseph Chartouny today
Mike Cunningham visits UofL on the 25th of April

And like I said, hope we see Mack and Peagues (big man coach) get in with Jordan Brown. We HAVE contacted him by call. He only has 1 OV left so I assume we’ll see him before he comes to see us.
 
Keep up the good work fellas.

Btw, Brown would be for this next class,right?
 
Is this Brown kid clean?

Who else is recruiting him? (Therein probably lies my answer...)
 
Is this Brown kid clean?

Who else is recruiting him? (Therein probably lies my answer...)
Yeah I am skeptical of this stuff ever since the whole Brian Bowen mess. But I think to myself, would it really be smart for coach Mack to just say, “If you’re talented I’m not interested in you”? Maybe pass on guys that are still hanging around late in the game ie this year, but I mean I feel like Pegues and Murray aren’t as stupid as our previous assistants. As long as our administration offers nothing to these kids, we can’t be touched.
 
I'm not at all confident that Mack's assistants from Xavier are clean. We'll see.

As far as taking a pass on a kid, you might as well get a head start on the new world order. All of these five-star kids might be polluted by the time college coaches START to get involved. Likely that they're all radioactive...
 
Mack met with this kid today:


Dude is a Bruiser! I mean he’s ripped to be a ‘19 class kid. He’s a 6-10 C like 220. They say he’s Montrez Harrell but taller.

He’s a must get. Just shy of the 5*. He’s 4* Top 40
 
Is this Brown kid clean?

Who else is recruiting him? (Therein probably lies my answer...)

Gonzaga. Cali. Nevada. Few I know of. No pun intended. I’d bet he’s clean.
 
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Ok. Im glad we can be skeptical about everything on this board. He wouldn't even be allowed to play in the EYBL if he had anything in him. LOL! Kids are becoming freak athletes year in and year out. Look at Zion for next year. Look at Bam last year. They start lifting way earlier than you did back even 10 years ago.
 
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Ok. Im glad we can be skeptical about everything on this board. He wouldn't even be allowed to play in the EYBL if he had anything in him. LOL! Kids are becoming freak athletes year in and year out. Look at Zion for next year. Look at Bam last year. They start lifting way earlier than you did back even 10 years ago.
You're not making any points. The more a recruit looks like the guys you're mentioning, the LESS likely they are to be clean.

Did you learn anything from the last year or so?

And learn the definition of "clean"...
 
I started lifting weights the summer after I graduated from the eighth grade. You can get pretty developed on vitamins and a protein diet especially at that age. An 18 year old kid who is 6’10” tall also has genetics in his favor.
 
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I started lifting weights the summer after I graduated from the eighth grade. You can get pretty developed on vitamins and a protein diet especially at that age. An 18 year old kid who is 6’10” tall also has genetics in his favor.

Yep.
 
Mack needs to land somebody soon. Anybody.
From what I've read, most of grad transfers will be taking visits through April 22 or so. Remainder of 2018 class seem to be waiting to see if another shoe drops on us.

I agree that the wait is tough.
 
Gonzaga. Cali. Nevada. Few I know of. No pun intended. I’d bet he’s clean.
Yeah, I’m skeptical about a guy who obviously is being recruited by teams out west, which U of L has really not pursued before. Also what makes me skeptical is that if we get in a hurry just to sign guys, the diligence to really check these guys out won’t be done. We don’t need to just look at the 5 and 4 star kids that are unsigned. They might be unsigned for a reason.
 
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I can almost guarantee you that the five-star kid today who IS clean is the exception. From what we already know, these agents, runners, and shoe companies reach back as early as possible to start recruiting blue chip kids with promises and financial incentives. The AAU circuit probably fosters those relationships, and all of these five-star kids are involved.

It would take a kid whose family is legitimately secure from a financial perspective and one who's taking pretty good advice for me to reason the kid is clean. They're all radioactive by default...
 
I can almost guarantee you that the five-star kid today who IS clean is the exception. From what we already know, these agents, runners, and shoe companies reach back as early as possible to start recruiting blue chip kids with promises and financial incentives. The AAU circuit probably fosters those relationships, and all of these five-star kids are involved.

It would take a kid whose family is legitimately secure from a financial perspective and one who's taking pretty good advice for me to reason the kid is clean. They're all radioactive by default...

Doesn't have to narrow the selection to just 5-stars. There's no way it's just 5-stars. What? Because you're ranked 26th instead of 25th so you're a 4 instead of a 5 (hypothetical example) you get no offers for money? No way.

I think it's just time to stop questioning whether the player is clean or dirty. There's no way to truly know no matter the rank. I mean Silvio De Sousa was a 4* composite per 247. He is the most reasonable connection to part of the latest FBI connection.

I highly doubt Self knew about this. I highly doubt any coach knew about anything that comes out in the future, unless you're Mark Gottfried.

Unless we're saying that we're only going to accept 1-3 star players, which we'd get crushed by the big dogs in the ACC, even UVA has several 4* and NBA players on their team.

We just have to do our due diligence work at the best level we can and make sure we don't do anything on our end that's negative. I'm confident our coach and staff are going to do things the right way. That's all you can ask for as long as the NCAA allows these AAU programs, Sponsors, etc. to have an impact on the college game. Nothing is going to change until the NCAA draws the line.

We, nor any university, can control what the shoe company does. If they give the player money, that's not our fault, nor is it for us know. I mean by reading the FBI documents we've seen just how secretive and secluded this is. Heck, the FBI is still trying to dig stuff up. How are we or anyone else supposed to know?

The best we can hope for is to evaluate the players thoroughly and immediately put a red X at sight of trouble on the players end. I trust our new staff to do that. And that's not saying our old staff didn't, or at least Pitino. However, Jordan Fair was in the hotel room. That's not good.

Besides Dino, our entire staff is young and is entitled to the Players First program. I think more players will listen to that because Mack and staff are clearly like-able guys.
 
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Doesn't have to narrow the selection to just 5-stars. There's no way it's just 5-stars. What? Because you're ranked 26th instead of 25th so you're a 4 instead of a 5 (hypothetical example) you get no offers for money? No way.

I think it's just time to stop questioning whether the player is clean or dirty. There's no way to truly know no matter the rank. I mean Silvio De Sousa was a 4* composite per 247. He is the most reasonable connection to part of the latest FBI connection.

I highly doubt Self knew about this. I highly doubt any coach knew about anything that comes out in the future, unless you're Mark Gottfried.

Unless we're saying that we're only going to accept 1-3 star players, which we'd get crushed by the big dogs in the ACC, even UVA has several 4* and NBA players on their team.

We just have to do our due diligence work at the best level we can and make sure we don't do anything on our end that's negative. I'm confident our coach and staff are going to do things the right way. That's all you can ask for as long as the NCAA allows these AAU programs, Sponsors, etc. to have an impact on the college game. Nothing is going to change until the NCAA draws the line.

We, nor any university, can control what the shoe company does. If they give the player money, that's not our fault, nor is it for us know. I mean by reading the FBI documents we've seen just how secretive and secluded this is. Heck, the FBI is still trying to dig stuff up. How are we or anyone else supposed to know?

The best we can hope for is to evaluate the players thoroughly and immediately put a red X at sight of trouble on the players end. I trust our new staff to do that. And that's not saying our old staff didn't, or at least Pitino. However, Jordan Fair was in the hotel room. That's not good.

Besides Dino, our entire staff is young and is entitled to the Players First program. I think more players will listen to that because Mack and staff are clearly like-able guys.
I agree that it goes beyond 5-star kids, but the likelihood of problems diminishes. And to your point, you have to recruit SOMEBODY. You may as well assume that all 5-star kids are a high risk until the landscape changes.

And the issue of knowing or not has only limited relevance. Bill Self not knowing doesn't mean that Kansas won't have to vacate a Final Four appearance--they will because they played an ineligible player. It just means that Self and KU may not incur additional penalties despite the NCAA's position on plausible deniability.

There's nothing good at the moment about a 5-star kid. We know what our situation is; U of L is in the enviable position of having a pretty clean record as we speak. None of the other big boys can say that. We need to keep ours clean...
 
I agree that it goes beyond 5-star kids, but the likelihood of problems diminishes. And to your point, you have to recruit SOMEBODY. You may as well assume that all 5-star kids are a high risk until the landscape changes.

And the issue of knowing or not has only limited relevance. Bill Self not knowing doesn't mean that Kansas won't have to vacate a Final Four appearance--they will because they played an ineligible player. It just means that Self and KU may not incur additional penalties despite the NCAA's position on plausible deniability.

There's nothing good at the moment about a 5-star kid. We know what our situation is; U of L is in the enviable position of having a pretty clean record as we speak. None of the other big boys can say that. We need to keep ours clean...

You and I both know that KU's chances of having to vacate that FF are very slim. Should they? Yes. Will they? I'd bet the farm they won't have to. I will agree to some extent. However, guys like Matthew Hurt who have true connections to UofL, is someone you should go after though he's a top 5-10 player in the '19 class.
 
You and I both know that KU's chances of having to vacate that FF are very slim. Should they? Yes. Will they? I'd bet the farm they won't have to. I will agree to some extent. However, guys like Matthew Hurt who have true connections to UofL, is someone you should go after though he's a top 5-10 player in the '19 class.
I just heard a media slapd!ck admit last nite on TV that records will be vacated but little else. That's what I've been saying all along.

It doesn't hurt the NCAA to act on PAST situations like games and banners. They won't do much going forward unless it's pretty apparent the school was complicit in cheating. And the NCAA will be protecting its own image when it decides what to do; their a$$ is on the line more than the schools are now.

That Kansas F4 is history if the stuff we're reading about is found to be true...
 
We know what our situation is; U of L is in the enviable position of having a pretty clean record as we speak. None of the other big boys can say that. We need to keep ours clean...
Zipp, with all due respect, have you not been present for the last 2-3 years?
We are (were) just as dirty, if not more so, than the other programs you are throwing stones at. At this point over the last 10 years we were dirtier than, gasp, LPT. Many are under the assumption that big time programs getting OAD’s are cheating, but until it’s proven and they have wins vacated, they are generally what most would consider “clean”. Telling a guy to hold off on making money and just live and eat for free on a college campus for one year is a lot harder to do than telling him to do that for 4 years. Maybe they are taking advantage of that sell.
 
Zipp, with all due respect, have you not been present for the last 2-3 years?
We are (were) just as dirty, if not more so, than the other programs you are throwing stones at. At this point over the last 10 years we were dirtier than, gasp, LPT. Many are under the assumption that big time programs getting OAD’s are cheating, but until it’s proven and they have wins vacated, they are generally what most would consider “clean”. Telling a guy to hold off on making money and just live and eat for free on a college campus for one year is a lot harder to do than telling him to do that for 4 years. Maybe they are taking advantage of that sell.
You've taken your medicine. You have no five-star recruits on your roster and no one implicated in pay-for-play. The only guys named are gone. No top shelf P5 program can say that. THAT is an enviable position.

And you don't go back and play in the mud because that's where all of the best players are. That just gets you muddy again...
 
You've taken your medicine. You have no five-star recruits on your roster and no one implicated in pay-for-play. The only guys named are gone. No top shelf P5 program can say that. THAT is an enviable position.

And you don't go back and play in the mud because that's where all of the best players are. That just gets you muddy again...
Ahh I see. You’re referring to what we have looking down the road. I just hope we don’t get killed because of Bowen. We’ll see.
 
I can almost guarantee you that the five-star kid today who IS clean is the exception. From what we already know, these agents, runners, and shoe companies reach back as early as possible to start recruiting blue chip kids with promises and financial incentives. The AAU circuit probably fosters those relationships, and all of these five-star kids are involved.

It would take a kid whose family is legitimately secure from a financial perspective and one who's taking pretty good advice for me to reason the kid is clean. They're all radioactive by default...
I’d disagree because right now is the absolute BEST time to recruit 5 star kids. Thanks to the FBI bombshells and the wiretapping I’d say the recruiting scene has never been cleaner. Not to mention that anyone you meet on the recruiting landscape could be an undercover agent. The fear of federal crimes has a way of setting folks on a new path. You really think shoe companies are handing out cash right now?
 
You really think shoe companies are handing out cash right now?
Yes. Yes I do. Why would they stop? They may change their 'playbook' but they won't stop trying to get the best talent to represent their company.
 
I’d disagree because right now is the absolute BEST time to recruit 5 star kids. Thanks to the FBI bombshells and the wiretapping I’d say the recruiting scene has never been cleaner. Not to mention that anyone you meet on the recruiting landscape could be an undercover agent. The fear of federal crimes has a way of setting folks on a new path. You really think shoe companies are handing out cash right now?
Well if it’s not the shoe companies, then it’s going to be something else. There’s too much money in college basketball for there not to be other ways to hide and pay players. Until they find a way to truly compensate the kids there will be temptation to cheat.
 
I’d disagree because right now is the absolute BEST time to recruit 5 star kids. Thanks to the FBI bombshells and the wiretapping I’d say the recruiting scene has never been cleaner. Not to mention that anyone you meet on the recruiting landscape could be an undercover agent. The fear of federal crimes has a way of setting folks on a new path. You really think shoe companies are handing out cash right now?
Until a kid signs with a college and that is facilitated by an agent/intermediary, no crime has been committed. All this FBI stuff does is change how the agents have to do business, i.e., they have to stay away from the colleges. It's not a crime to pay a high school kid in such a way that makes him ineligible to play ball in college. And you know high school kids are still gonna take the money...
 
Yes. Yes I do. Why would they stop? They may change their 'playbook' but they won't stop trying to get the best talent to represent their company.
Of course there is no way for either of us to prove our theories, and I do welcome opposing opinions. I’m looking at this as “crime 101”. Even Al Capone knew when he needed to lay low. That’s the key to sustained villainy. Smell he smoke, hide from the fire. I do think recruiting in the present is an clean as it’s ever been. Federal prison is a steep price to pay.

Now, going forward I suspect the rats will come above ground again. But they will need a new game. It’s a pivotal time for the NCAA. They need to outsmart the bad guys and head them off before they re group. You are correct, they will change their playbook but I don’t think they have done so yet.
 
Now, going forward I suspect the rats will come above ground again. But they will need a new game.
Yep, and it's my opinion the new game has already been thought of and implemented. IDK what it is, but then again, that's the way the rats want it. They'll want to keep their golden goose laying eggs for as long as possible and it's my opinion they've already figured out a new way for the goose to keep laying golden eggs incognito.
 
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