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Chances are Duke and UK will be forgotten by the last game of the first weekend in March. We hear the same garbage regurgitated every year.

I’ll admit Duke’s ceiling is much higher because their big sit the entire second half with cramps. Flagg was exhausted playing with 4 guards.
 
Chances are Duke and UK will be forgotten by the last game of the first weekend in March. We hear the same garbage regurgitated every year.

I’ll admit Duke’s ceiling is much higher because their big sit the entire second half with cramps. Flagg was exhausted playing with 4 guards.
cal is not coaching UK anymore, pope is a different person and pretty sure the pattern of losses will continue for us. i had hope before TN we could hang w uk, now don;t think so at all.
 
cal is not coaching UK anymore, pope is a different person and pretty sure the pattern of losses will continue for us. i had hope before TN we could hang w uk, now don;t think so at all.
That was my biggest concern with Calimari leaving. Kitties back to focusing on the tradition and not the NBA. We need to do the same but hard to do when all you have is 5th year transfers. Just have to win...
 
I thought we should have gotten someone like Jamie Dixon to come in and give us stability but Heird went with the gamble. It might work out, who knows?
 
I thought we should have gotten someone like Jamie Dixon to come in and give us stability but Heird went with the gamble. It might work out, who knows?
I don't understand hires this - and this is nothing against you. This is a reasonable stance.

Dixon is a solid coach, but as an A.D. at a program like UofL that has been so down for the last few years, you have to think about creating excitement within the fanbase. You obviously want to also hire a capable candidate but you need someone that can sell tickets too. That the fans can believe in, and honestly, you'd rather have a coach who's young and never really had the opportunity to take his team to an elite level than an older coach who's consistently shown that he's never been able to do it.

Dixon's last really good season was 2010. He's 60-81 in the Big 12 over the last 8 years. He had a great start to his career in Pittsburgh and overachieved for his first 8 years. Since then, he's won 61%, and his average season record is 20-13. Which is fine, but that's the very definition of mediocrity. There's also the fact that he's coached 21 full seasons and been out of the first weekend 3 times and past the Sweet 16 once with 0 Final Fours.

It also doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint. You can't hire a coach with the intention that he be a stop-gap. Dixon was only 58 this past Summer and would command a 4+ million dollar salary. As we know all too well, getting rid of a coach without losing money is impossible. Keeping a coach happy and the program operating successfully on an expiring contract is also impossible. Hiring someone to "stabilize" the program was never a realistic possibility. You're better off shooting for the moon and failing than hiring someone you have 2 decades' worth of data on that shows they aren't what your program needs and they've never been.

PK is doing everything right with media and fan involvement and bringing in talent from the portal. Saturday's game was a setback and the lack of traction with 2025 recruits is a disappointment but it doesn't mean he's destined to fail. I still think he was the right hire and will work out. We just need to adjust some things and realize that fixing a program that has been as damaged for as long as UofL has might take longer than we like. As long as PK is saying the right things, working hard and the team believes in him and is playing hard then we have to give him our support and give him the time to learn and fix this. PK is learning on the job and while that's something we wouldn't have to deal with had we hired Dixon - PKs ceiling and potential as a head coach is miles above anything we could have hoped for from someone like Jamie Dixon.
 
I don't understand hires this - and this is nothing against you. This is a reasonable stance.

Dixon is a solid coach, but as an A.D. at a program like UofL that has been so down for the last few years, you have to think about creating excitement within the fanbase. You obviously want to also hire a capable candidate but you need someone that can sell tickets too. That the fans can believe in, and honestly, you'd rather have a coach who's young and never really had the opportunity to take his team to an elite level than an older coach who's consistently shown that he's never been able to do it.

Dixon's last really good season was 2010. He's 60-81 in the Big 12 over the last 8 years. He had a great start to his career in Pittsburgh and overachieved for his first 8 years. Since then, he's won 61%, and his average season record is 20-13. Which is fine, but that's the very definition of mediocrity. There's also the fact that he's coached 21 full seasons and been out of the first weekend 3 times and past the Sweet 16 once with 0 Final Fours.

It also doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint. You can't hire a coach with the intention that he be a stop-gap. Dixon was only 58 this past Summer and would command a 4+ million dollar salary. As we know all too well, getting rid of a coach without losing money is impossible. Keeping a coach happy and the program operating successfully on an expiring contract is also impossible. Hiring someone to "stabilize" the program was never a realistic possibility. You're better off shooting for the moon and failing than hiring someone you have 2 decades' worth of data on that shows they aren't what your program needs and they've never been.

PK is doing everything right with media and fan involvement and bringing in talent from the portal. Saturday's game was a setback and the lack of traction with 2025 recruits is a disappointment but it doesn't mean he's destined to fail. I still think he was the right hire and will work out. We just need to adjust some things and realize that fixing a program that has been as damaged for as long as UofL has might take longer than we like. As long as PK is saying the right things, working hard and the team believes in him and is playing hard then we have to give him our support and give him the time to learn and fix this. PK is learning on the job and while that's something we wouldn't have to deal with had we hired Dixon - PKs ceiling and potential as a head coach is miles above anything we could have hoped for from someone like Jamie Dixon.
I didn’t read after the excitement comment. When has excitement ever done anything except make you piss?
 
Dixon is in the third year of a current contract for $3.5 million annually. It runs six more years, and he was reportedly linked to the recent hires at Arkansas and USC.

Kelsey makes $2.3 million under a five year contract. IMO it would have taken 2X that amount to get Dixon to Louisville.

In case anyone needs the math again... Over the next few years, we're paying $7.6 million to two former coaches NOT to coach.
 
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Dixon is in the third year of a current contract for $3.5 million annually. It runs six more years, and he was reportedly linked to the recent hires at Arkansas and USC.

Kelsey makes $2.3 million under a five year contract. IMO it would have taken 2X that amount to get Dixon to Louisville.

In case anyone needs the math again... Over the next few years, we're paying $7.6 million to two former coaches NOT to coach.
If ya don’t spend , ya don’t win. TJ never let doubter’s stop him. Plus Dixon was 1 of many suggested. Not all have his contract.
 
Dixon is in the third year of a current contract for $3.5 million annually. It runs six more years, and he was reportedly linked to the recent hires at Arkansas and USC.

Kelsey makes $2.3 million under a five year contract. IMO it would have taken 2X that amount to get Dixon to Louisville.

In case anyone needs the math again... Over the next few years, we're paying $7.6 million to two former coaches NOT to coach.
Dixon is also the poster child for mediocrity. If you want to go 20-12, hope for .500 in conference and get bounced in the first round as an 8 seed every year, he's your guy. You'll never win your conference or have a shot at a title, but he'll win you 20 games! All for the low-low price of $4-$5 million a year!
 
Dixon is also the poster child for mediocrity. If you want to go 20-12, hope for .500 in conference and get bounced in the first round as an 8 seed every year, he's your guy. You'll never win your conference or have a shot at a title, but he'll win you 20 games! All for the low-low price of $4-$5 million a year!
I think a lot of Louisville fans would be tickled with 20-12 this year.
 
I think a lot of Louisville fans would be tickled with 20-12 this year.
They would this year. Then kinda pissed after next year. Then, ready to run him out of town after year 3 with no tournament wins, no conference titles, and 35+ losses in 3 years. So now you've got a coach nobody believes in with $10+ million left on his contract and a program only slightly better off in perception and much worse financially.
 
They would this year. Then kinda pissed after next year. Then, ready to run him out of town after year 3 with no tournament wins, no conference titles, and 35+ losses in 3 years. So now you've got a coach nobody believes in with $10+ million left on his contract and a program only slightly better off in perception and much worse financially.
Do you think we have a coach right now anyone believes in? I like PK and am willing to give him his due time but we have a young inexperienced AD at the helm.
 
Do you think we have a coach right now anyone believes in? I like PK and am willing to give him his due time but we have a young inexperienced AD at the helm.
Yeah I do.

People have no idea how much the program has been damaged for the last DECADE. Louisville basketball has been through scandal after scandal and has been the laughingstock of major college basketball for a decade now. People have stopped prioritizing UofL basketball in their lives, and kids have grown into adults who do not think about when UofL's next game is. The brand is damaged, and yet 30,000+ people have shown up at the Yum Center to watch the last two games. It's not 40,000, but it's impressive, considering where this program has been for the last 10 years. People like PK, and people are going to give him time. We aren't going from the worst P5 program in the country over the last 2 years to a machine in 6 months.

With PK you give people hope that we can get to where we want to be. Hiring someone like Jamie Dixon tells fans - good enough. It tells fans that not being bad - is good enough. Because there's nothing on Jamie Dixon's resume for the last 15 years that would lead any rational fan to think - "We're back baby!" Coaches with a resume as long as Dixon's never get somewhere new and suddenly get better. I would rather go down in flames trying to be elite than settle for consistent mediocrity.
 
Yeah I do.

People have no idea how much the program has been damaged for the last DECADE. Louisville basketball has been through scandal after scandal and has been the laughingstock of major college basketball for a decade now. People have stopped prioritizing UofL basketball in their lives, and kids have grown into adults who do not think about when UofL's next game is. The brand is damaged, and yet 30,000+ people have shown up at the Yum Center to watch the last two games. It's not 40,000, but it's impressive, considering where this program has been for the last 10 years. People like PK, and people are going to give him time. We aren't going from the worst P5 program in the country over the last 2 years to a machine in 6 months.

With PK you give people hope that we can get to where we want to be. Hiring someone like Jamie Dixon tells fans - good enough. It tells fans that not being bad - is good enough. Because there's nothing on Jamie Dixon's resume for the last 15 years that would lead any rational fan to think - "We're back baby!" Coaches with a resume as long as Dixon's never get somewhere new and suddenly get better. I would rather go down in flames trying to be elite than settle for consistent mediocrity.
Just read first sentence. You much not have much of an ear then. Doubter’s out in droves.
 
Just read first sentence. You much not have much of an ear then. Doubter’s out in droves.
That's their prerogative. It's up to Kelsey to change their mind. Their doubt doesn't make hiring someone like Dixon a better option. All it does is move the anger and frustration down the road and ultimately cost more money. If they're short sided enough that they've already given up on PK then they would certainly be ready to kick Dixon to the curb after two 20-13 seasons with no tournament wins. The only difference is the Yum would be half full and we'd owe Dixon $15 million bucks.
 
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Too many fans wanna read right past money issues. We're not the federal government that can print money.

Anyone honestly think it's just coincidence that every men's basketball coach we have hired since Pitino has made less money than the coach he replaced? That's Mack < Pitino, Payne < Mack, and now Kelsey < Payne. At least we're steadily making our way to the bottom.

When you're paying millions annually for failed coaching hires, you have less money to pay the coach you have. This money doesn't magically get paid at a University that's struggling financially...
 
Too many fans wanna read right past money issues. We're not the federal government that can print money.

Anyone honestly think it's just coincidence that every men's basketball coach we have hired since Pitino has made less money than the coach he replaced? That's Mack < Pitino, Payne < Mack, and now Kelsey < Payne. At least we're steadily making our way to the bottom.

When you're paying millions annually for failed coaching hires, you have less money to pay the coach you have. This money doesn't magically get paid at a University that's struggling financially...
It’s called bargain shopping. I would think of all people you would understand that? Our wet behind the ears AD wants to make a splash as someone who saved us millions and made the home run hire. Who knows? He may have but stop acting like we are broke. Tom Jurich would have a gotten a winner into the 2nd largest, 1st nicest arena playing in a premier league school.
 
The UL fan response to hosting the Vols shows how to reverse the financial issues that our Program is currently fighting through.

The expectations going into that contest turns out to be unrealistic, but the level of support that our fanbase delivered for that game cannot be overlooked or minimized. I was proud of our fans, and the effort that our players gave in defeat, but none more than witnessing the reaction from CPK when accepting responsibility.

It was just the 2nd game of the season; I for one am looking forward to how much improvement that Kelsey can inject into this roster.
 
I guess paying more money to a coach than is available is sound prudent judgement and the only right path to follow. Geez, that is simply amazing. LoL.
 
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I guess paying more money to a coach than is available is sound prudent judgement and the only right path to follow. Geez, that is simply amazing. LoL.
What would you know about any of that? I find it comical when common people get on here and act like they know something about something because they tailgate at a football game 😂
 
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It’s called bargain shopping. I would think of all people you would understand that? Our wet behind the ears AD wants to make a splash as someone who saved us millions and made the home run hire. Who knows? He may have but stop acting like we are broke. Tom Jurich would have a gotten a winner into the 2nd largest, 1st nicest arena playing in a premier league school.
There was no home run hire.

Fans have got to understand that the era of colleges picking who they want to hire as a coach is over - essentially in basketball and football.

Alabama hired their 3rd or 4th choice last Summer. Alabama - the most dominant collegiate program in any sport over the last 15 years. Duke and UNC both hired guys who'd never coached before. UK had to hire BYUs coach. Scott Drew AT BAYLOR turned down UofL and UK. UConn and Arkansas of all places are both paying their coaches obscene salaries.

Josh Heird didn't have a "get out of jail free card" that he could play in basketball like he did with Brohm in football. There wasn't a unanimous right answer that was attainable. Look at who some schools have hired over the last 5 years.

Duke hired an assistant
UNC hired an assistant
UofL hired Charleston's head coach
UK hired BYU's head coach
Alabama hired Buffalo's coach
Florida hired San Francisco's coach
Texas Tech hired North Texas' head coach
WVU hired Drake's head coach
Texas hired a former assistant
LSU hIred Murray State's head coach
Washington hired Utah State's head coach
Vanderbilt hired James Madison's head coach

You either hire a disgraced coach - St Johns, Ole Miss, a coach looking to leave - Arkansas, USC, UGA, an assistant looking for his first job or you hire a small school coach. Nobody takes a highly successful, content head coach from another program anymore.
 
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There was no home run hire.

Fans have got to understand that the era of colleges picking who they want to hire as a coach is over - essentially in basketball and football.

Alabama hired their 3rd or 4th choice last Summer. Alabama - the most dominant collegiate program in any sport over the last 15 years. Duke and UNC both hired guys who'd never coached before. UK had to hire BYUs coach. Scott Drew AT BAYLOR turned down UofL and UK. UConn and Arkansas of all places are both paying their coaches obscene salaries.

Josh Heird didn't have a "get out of jail free card" that he could play in basketball like he did with Brohm in football. There wasn't a unanimous right answer that was attainable. Look at who some schools have hired over the last 5 years.

Duke hired an assistant
UNC hired an assistant
UofL hired Charleston's head coach
UK hired BYU's head coach
Alabama hired Buffalo's coach
Florida hired San Francisco's coach
Texas Tech hired North Texas' head coach
WVU hired Drake's head coach
Texas hired a former assistant
LSU hIred Murray State's head coach
Washington hired Utah State's head coach
Vanderbilt hired James Madison's head coach

You either hire a disgraced coach - St Johns, Ole Miss, a coach looking to leave - Arkansas, USC, UGA, an assistant looking for his first job or you hire a small school coach. Nobody takes a highly successful, content head coach from another program anymore.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. There were multitudes of choices out there for Heird but he panicked because of what Payne did to the program. Nobody said anything about getting Bill Self caliber coaches but there are a lot of good solid coaches he could have got here. Y’all just don’t know anything about basketball…probably didn’t even play organized basketball. I’m not going to go down the list of available coaches because it doesn’t matter now. Anyway I’m cool with Pat Kelsey…he might be the next great coach who tf knows…surely not you.
 
You don’t know what you’re talking about. There were multitudes of choices out there for Heird but he panicked because of what Payne did to the program. Nobody said anything about getting Bill Self caliber coaches but there are a lot of good solid coaches he could have got here. Y’all just don’t know anything about basketball…probably didn’t even play organized basketball. I’m not going to go down the list of available coaches because it doesn’t matter now. Anyway I’m cool with Pat Kelsey…he might be the next great coach who tf knows…surely not you.
Ok. Go ahead and list those candidates. Please give me 5 names that UofL could have realistically hired. Keep in mind that we can easily find the salaries and contract information of every coach you mention. So, if you bring up someone like Mick Cronin, we're going to laugh and point at his $5+ million salary and crazy buyout numbers.
 
Ok. Go ahead and list those candidates. Please give me 5 names that UofL could have realistically hired. Keep in mind that we can easily find the salaries and contract information of every coach you mention. So, if you bring up someone like Mick Cronin, we're going to laugh and point at his $5+ million salary and crazy buyout numbers.
Yes Cronin would have been one but again you crybabies didn’t like him because he’s mean and didn’t excite you. The majority of the Louisville fanbase is akin to teenage school girls crossing their legs to avoid peeing themselves. I not wasting time naming guys Heird didn’t target as if they weren’t available. Tom Jurich wanted somebody, he went and got them and worried about money later. Our first problem is a GQ skinny jeans wearing political AD who’s only feather so far JB I could have talked into coming to Louisville. I’m not a Heird hater but he’s a far cry from TJ.
 
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