I'll take Mangok over Skal...
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This thread isn't really dedicated to our player. To be fair, the thread is created by Zipp with the goal of pulling the UK fan chain, which he does better than anyone.
We'd probably be better off if we left these threads for Zipp to play with his friends. Collateral damage kicks in unfortunately.
He must have suffered badly through these past few years. Poor fellow.
Was there something you meant to say?
I just "quoted" your post Grinning guy. Not a lot of info there, dawg.
I just "quoted" your post Grinning guy. Not a lot of info there, dawg.
Another opaque post but thankfully short for a change. I meant short in length of course, not in zen content. Can you actually see me grinning? Wow!
The bad thing, or potential bad thing, about Skal is that he will continue to get minutes whether he deserves them or not. Because it's not about the wins, the championships or the fans to Cal. It's about the kids. Especially the projected first round kids.
I never said as a freshman or at any other point in time. TODAY, Skal vs. Mango, give me the latter and keep the other guy's stars.
"Elite program", my a$$...
FWIW, Skal is averaging more points per game. They both are barely getting around 20mins a game, but Skal's production is better than Mango. Even with that stinker against ASU. Even at 21.6 minutes a game, Skal would be UL's third leading scorer.
I'll take our last few years over uk's... hell....uk has been to the NIT 2 out of the last 7 seasons.
Yet somehow has a dominating record head to head against UL. Crazy huh?
Should we talk about wins, tournament wins, Final Four appearances, Championship game appearances, Head to head in the tournament?
I'm not sure why you went 7 years. (
), but yes UL has been on a great run. You guys are winning a lot of games against teams not named UK.
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Yet somehow has a dominating record head to head against UL. Crazy huh?
Should we talk about wins, tournament wins, Final Four appearances, Championship game appearances, Head to head in the tournament?
I'm not sure why you went 7 years. (
I'm not making up excuses, well yeah I am, we are usually the last ranked team on your schedule whereas we are just starting our "grind". Easier to focus on one game before conference play when you're in the SEC.
That "little man" insult defines YOU as a mental midget but says nothing about me or UL or Uk or basketball. If you are the competition then I have already won..
Seeing as you're taking quite a bit of offense to it, it obviously does say something. You've won nothing, except utter disdain from regulars on this board.
Is that all that matters? Whoever won the last banner has bragging rights until the rival team wins? No, don't think so. UK ended ULs season in the tourney a couple of times in recent memory. Head to head records/ yep UK and Cal owns UL and Ricky. All time wins- yes UK again. More banners/ surprise: UK wins again.
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On a stat-per-40-minutes basis, Skal is besting Mangok 20 vs. 16 ppg. and 3.9 vs. 2.7 blocks per game. But that's about it for the #1 draft choice. Mangok's got a decisive edge on rebounding at 12.5 vs. 6.5 rpg. And Mangok's better on steals at 1.9 vs. 0.6 steals per game.
There aren't defensive stats easily available, but I would expect redshirt junior Mangok to be better than a timid freshman, which the steals stat would indicate.
And Pitino said Mangok would one day be the equivalent of U of L ex-player Otis George. The fact that we are even having this discussion tells you what a bust Skal is at this point. Give me the kid who's realizing his potential, not his underperforming equal waiting for draft day. Only one of those guys has heart.
"Elite program", my a$$...
Lee couldn't crack the starting lineup on an LPT team with double digit losses. And a year later, incoming freshmen were getting his minutes; he could only get about 11 minutes per game when a "platoon system" was supposedly in place.
In four years, the only LPT team Poythress could start for went to the NIT.
As 5-star kids, they've been busts however you wanna analyze them. This year's LPT team needs them anyway. They're a lot like Skal which makes this a team of busts. A veritable men's college basketball strip show.
"Elite program", my a$$...
Maybe because it has nothing to do with a rivalry record. Sure it's gonna be "fun to read"?
"Elite program", my a$$...
UK and UofL have each had the best records in the college game for years now. They both have attendance figures no one not named Syracuse has. They have hardware and they inspire fear in opposing programs. The crazy desperation of fans to do their best to dig away at the spirit and evolution of each program has become nearly irrelevant. It appeals very much to the posters who waste such time in continuing the process, watching each other like rabid hungry dogs while the level they operate on without these ankle biters is the envy of all of college basketball. Which is completely ironic since each team has so much game cred in reality. Playing like Blue Bloods, arguing like gerbils.
UK fans hate that we have Rick - no matter what the record between he and the ethical midget down there now - and fully fantasize on a regular basis what his staying at UK might have meant over time - don't even try to say that is not intimately involved in UKster thinking. UofL still looms in their headlights, no matter what happens, because, even in the recent tourney losses, the competition was more than equal. UofL fans hated losing - especially the last event of driving and fouling in the rugby scrum UK had made of the game - but what difference does it make in the end? Here we are in a new season and there is a glimmer of inevitability again of meeting up in the tournament. Frankly, there is no galaxy where the pride of either program is even touched, in the end.
The desperate antics of UK fans lusting for superiority is simply something other than realistic and we know that. UK fans simply face the entire world with the same attitude, selectively hating on UNC, Kansas or Duke in an urge for them to feel the same - which they don't. With Louisville fans, at least they get responses, lol.
Finding a "down" UofL fan this season is even more difficult, lol. Pitino is finally doing what UK fans felt he would do for them. Having him as a coach is an experience in concentration, focus, grades, the college experience which ennobles the entire franchise.of the college game. The UK experience is exactly the opposite, requiring no adaptation outside of having a line of pro prospects in an unending line of strangeness which requires name memorization every single season.
Just the same, Pitino and his experienced team play and complex defenses are satisfying factors to watch and to support. He has adapted to the ne and Done deal in various ways, including this year's Done and Ones - yet another fascinating new wrinkle brought by a guy who is coaching and even recruiting at an all time high for the type of program he likes running.
UK fans hate that we have Rick - no matter what the record between he and the ethical midget down there now - and fully fantasize on a regular basis what his staying at UK might have meant over time - don't even try to say that is not intimately involved in UKster thinking. UofL still looms in their headlights, no matter what happens, because, even in the recent tourney losses, the competition was more than equal. UofL fans hated losing - especially the last event of driving and fouling in the rugby scrum UK had made of the game - but what difference does it make in the end? Here we are in a new season and there is a glimmer of inevitability again of meeting up in the tournament. Frankly, there is no galaxy where the pride of either program is even touched, in the end.
The desperate antics of UK fans lusting for superiority is simply something other than realistic and we know that. UK fans simply face the entire world with the same attitude, selectively hating on UNC, Kansas or Duke in an urge for them to feel the same - which they don't. With Louisville fans, at least they get responses, lol.
Finding a "down" UofL fan this season is even more difficult, lol. Pitino is finally doing what UK fans felt he would do for them. Having him as a coach is an experience in concentration, focus, grades, the college experience which ennobles the entire franchise.of the college game. The UK experience is exactly the opposite, requiring no adaptation outside of having a line of pro prospects in an unending line of strangeness which requires name memorization every single season.
Just the same, Pitino and his experienced team play and complex defenses are satisfying factors to watch and to support. He has adapted to the ne and Done deal in various ways, including this year's Done and Ones - yet another fascinating new wrinkle brought by a guy who is coaching and even recruiting at an all time high for the type of program he likes running.
Eamonn Brennan on Coach Pitino:
"None of that really gets across the sheer enjoyment of sitting across the court from Pitino when he's coaching. To do so is to witness a cycle between manic anxiety and controlled genius. There are bug-eyed expressions and stomps and sarcastic claps. Arms fly and fingers point -- Accusations! Pleading! And then Pitino will pull it back in, cross his arms, and do that half-stare thing people do when they're deep in thought. All of this happens in seconds. It probably happens 25 times a game.
What's especially interesting about watching Pitino is how much of his performance is in the service of his team, particularly his team's defense. He isn't just blindly clapping along. He is almost always communicating something relevant and meaningful about defense to his players while on the court. The past two seasons, and especially in 2012-13, the Cardinals were so good on that end of the floor, so in tune, that Pitino could spring random traps on opposing ball handlers with the wave of a hand.
You never knew when they were coming -- maybe once or twice a half. But they usually worked.
"None of that really gets across the sheer enjoyment of sitting across the court from Pitino when he's coaching. To do so is to witness a cycle between manic anxiety and controlled genius. There are bug-eyed expressions and stomps and sarcastic claps. Arms fly and fingers point -- Accusations! Pleading! And then Pitino will pull it back in, cross his arms, and do that half-stare thing people do when they're deep in thought. All of this happens in seconds. It probably happens 25 times a game.
What's especially interesting about watching Pitino is how much of his performance is in the service of his team, particularly his team's defense. He isn't just blindly clapping along. He is almost always communicating something relevant and meaningful about defense to his players while on the court. The past two seasons, and especially in 2012-13, the Cardinals were so good on that end of the floor, so in tune, that Pitino could spring random traps on opposing ball handlers with the wave of a hand.
Mathiang plays on average 18.9 minutes a game. He is averaging 7.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, and 1.3 bpg.
Your phenom is playing 21.6 minutes a game. He is averaging 10.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, and 2.1 bpg.
Overall production might slightly go to the phenom but it's pretty clear he doesn't rebound very well which would indicate he's a bit soft. I'll agree with the OP that Mathiang is the better option of the two simply because he's tougher. Rebounding takes will and determination. Your phenom is more concerned about looking good for the cameras than mixing it up.
Well then the Cards shouldn't have any problem winning this year. You've clearly spelled out UK is leaning heavily on guys this year that aren't any good so it should be an easy win for the red coats this year. We shall see.
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Actually I'm amazed at Skal's Stats, it seems like he's played so bad that it feels like he's not even averaging 5ppg and 2rpg. He has a long way to go but by March he will be really good but it's going to take a lot of court time to get him there. You can clearly see he has skills, he's just afraid to mix it up right now.
Louisville isn't near as dependent on Mathiangs production as UK is with Skai. I've stated that Kentucky will probably win this game, but I think Louisville is the better team. I'm not talking about NBA potential, I'm talking college basketball.
Curious about why the better team will lose. PLEASE give a better answer than that the refs are bought by Cal.
You mean because I'm living in the present? And there's no "next year" for Skal except in the NBA?
I already posted normalized stats. If anything, they probably favor Mangok (with no stars).
You're at home with SIX more 5-star kids than U of L has. Even though we have Mangok and not Skal, that still sounds like a pretty significant advantage for the slapd!cks.
"Elite program", my a$$...
I went ahead and went back 3+ years.
Kentucky at rupp
62-4
Kentucky in true road games
19-16
