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I want that Pitt and Marquette loss back

This team is a wee bit inconsistent in how they play right now. Once they gain more consistency, they'll string together enough wins to be in the top 25. They have enough talent to get there. We all need to remember they're all learning a new system with a new coaching staff. Coach Mack has done a solid job thus far, but this is just the beginning. The best is yet to come.
 
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I definitely didn't like the Pitt loss but, you never know, it might have been just the catalyst needed for that blowout win against UNC today.
 
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zipp said:
A "wee bit"???
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It should be expected, at least by those who understand the game some. New coaches and new system means everyone is figuring it out. Once they do, the sky is the limit. No they don't have superior talent, but chemistry and a great coach goes a long way. Like it or not, coach Chris Mack is proving he is a great coach and he's a breath of fresh air without all the stupid drama the former coach loved to inject. I know you hate hearing that but the best advise I can give you is to get over it or quit being a 'fan'. Either way is fine by me and a whole bunch of others on here who you continue to alienate with most every negative post about this program. Myself included. Best thing about it though is this site now has an ignore button so don't bother to respond. I won't be seeing it.
 
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I’d love to see them win the next five games. After that the schedule is really difficult, and I mean REALLY difficult.
 
Cue Card said:
It should be expected, at least by those who understand the game some. New coaches and new system means everyone is figuring it out. Once they do, the sky is the limit. No they don't have superior talent, but chemistry and a great coach goes a long way. Like it or not, coach Chris Mack is proving he is a great coach and he's a breath of fresh air without all the stupid drama the former coach loved to inject. I know you hate hearing that but the best advise I can give you is to get over it or quit being a 'fan'. Either way is fine by me and a whole bunch of others on here who you continue to alienate with most every negative post about this program. Myself included. Best thing about it though is this site now has an ignore button so don't bother to respond. I won't be seeing it.
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Lighten up, Francis. I wasn't trying to dig at you, your precious coach, your precious AD, or your program.

This team is inconsistent, period. I'm not looking for insight into that from you or anyone else. At this point, they are what they are.

If Mack can get them playing consistently well, he may be a great coach. At the moment, he's a good coach of an inconsistent team.

And none of that keeps me from enjoying today's victory as you probably did. You might enjoy it more if you get that log off your shoulder.

BTW the best way to post without me around is to go behind Jack's pay wall (premium). "Ignore" equals surrender...
 
zipp said:
Lighten up, Francis. I wasn't trying to dig at you, your precious coach, your precious AD, or your program.

This team is inconsistent, period. I'm not looking for insight into that from you or anyone else. At this point, they are what they are.

If Mack can get them playing consistently well, he may be a great coach. At the moment, he's a good coach of an inconsistent team.

And none of that keeps me from enjoying today's victory as you probably did. You might enjoy it more if you get that log off your shoulder.

BTW the best way to post without me around is to go behind Jack's pay wall (premium). "Ignore" equals surrender...
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Are you now officially not a Louisville Cardinal fan of the current program? Your coach? Your AD? Your program? (that makes sense that you are more of a fan of the old ad and the old coaches and the old program)
 
cardinalrod said:
Are you now officially not a Louisville Cardinal fan of the current program? Your coach? Your AD? Your program? (that makes sense that you are more of a fan of the old ad and the old coaches and the old program)
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...In Cue's delusional world. See you at tomorrow's women's game (right?)
 
Jmo,but other than some atrocious defense on occasions and ice cold shooting on our part,I thought Pitt was magnificent,and their crowd too.
That was a pretty hungry bunch of Panthers. I think they will do well at home this season going forward.
 
earsky said:
Jmo,but other than some atrocious defense on occasions and ice cold shooting on our part,I thought Pitt was magnificent,and their crowd too.
That was a pretty hungry bunch of Panthers. I think they will do well at home this season going forward.
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UofL lost to the Panthers because of

A) 12 game losing streak to the Cards

B) Because of said 12 game losing streak, UofL took them lightly.

Conversely, UNC took UofL lightly, a 12 point underdog.

It happens. Hopefully this will springboard the Cards into a #5 seed type season, instead of an 8,9,10 or NIT type season.

They have some talent, and have a hell of a Coach.

Its entirely up to them.
 
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Inconsistent is the best word to describe Louisville. CC has been by far the most consistent player, you know what you are going to get each night. I think the key to this team is Sutton when he plays at a high level they are a tough team to beat.

From a team perspective they have to play better defense on a more consistent basis. The entire game was the best they have looked defensively in a long time. That will ultimately determine if they make the tournament. They can't have another game where they just don't bring their defense. They are still a bubble team mainly because of the February schedule.
 
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Inconsistent is the best word to describe Louisville. CC has been by far the most consistent player, you know what you are going to get each night. I think the key to this team is Sutton when he plays at a high level they are a tough team to beat.

From a team perspective they have to play better defense on a more consistent basis. The entire game was the best they have looked defensively in a long time. That will ultimately determine if they make the tournament. They can't have another game where they just don't bring their defense. They are still a bubble team mainly because of the February schedule.
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Good post. IMO Sutton is really starting to hit his stride and only going to get better. 1 year away from competition plus another spent as an odd part in the previous system put some rust on him as far as being in a competitive situation. Jay Bilas gave him some major props yesterday, even mentioning his play as a freshman b4 transferring in. It just shows what hard work and buying in will do.

We all wonder what's wrong with VJ, but IMO Dwayne's play has seriously cut into VJ's PT. In a year's time he has gone from being an odd part to being one of the main cogs, along with CC. Just an old man's observation.
 
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Great to get the win, but I don’t get too excited about it. It just simply balances out the loss to Pitt. From a fan standpoint, the good news is that this win gives us hope that this team might be better than 11th best in the ACC this year.
 
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Theyd be ranked !

THATS the Cardinals that show what it means to wear Red and Black !!!

Great game blowing out Carolina AT UNC !

keep it up Cards !
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That win yesterday was something else. I keep sports in perspective but that win truly brought me actual and real joy. It was a great way to start off a Saturday and my whole weekend ended up being great.

All that out of the way, yesterday was a case example of why Morgantown Card doesn't gamble. LOL. Truthfully I went into the game wondering how they would stop UNC from scoring, and the 12 point spread seemed quite kind to Louisville. Instead they win by 21. After the Pitt game, I had a thought that Duke will probably win by 30 or more, and Zion could score 50 if he wants to/if K lets him because the Cards simply cannot defend the post against people not Zion, so imagine what Zion will do. Now, I don't know.
 
PushupMan said:
Great to get the win, but I don’t get too excited about it. It just simply balances out the loss to Pitt. From a fan standpoint, the good news is that this win gives us hope that this team might be better than 11th best in the ACC this year.
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Don’t really disagree with your comment, but I would say that the tourney committee seems to reward great (road) wins more than they penalize for Quad 1 losses. Basically last year we didn’t have any great wins. We already have two this year with one other very good wins - At Seton Hall.
 
PushupMan said:
Great to get the win, but I don’t get too excited about it. It just simply balances out the loss to Pitt. From a fan standpoint, the good news is that this win gives us hope that this team might be better than 11th best in the ACC this year.
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Agreed. A team that loses to Pitt and beats UNC is not a team you can rely on the next week. Let's see how Mack brings more consistency to the picture...
 
As individuals you will find inconsistency on almost every roster because of the constant roster turnover, unique match-ups that exist each game, and the tendency for coaches to tinker with lineups throughout a year. Maybe not the T5 to T10 teams - but even those probably have some up and downers.

Collectively bottom line results - the team has probably been favored in 9 games and won 8 of them, with the loss a conference road ambush against an improved program where they were favored by a couple points. Nugget for the night - Pitt is 12-3-1 vs the spread right now, tied for 4th best in the country. How bout that?

If UofL is winning nearly 90% of the games they are favored in - are they that inconsistent?

I think if they stumble this week then the inconsistency concerns are more legit. Just Hops opinion!

Ain't gonna win them all vs a T10 SOS that is projected to be Top 3-5 end of year.
 
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The issue is how you win those 9 games. We beat Michigan State, UNC, and Seton Hall at their place. Give Tennessee, Marquette, and IU all they want. Then look like scrubs against other teams with actual scrubs.

Many are too young or too far removed from the Crum years to recall details. Denny's teams typically played up or down to the competition, and it frustrated and annoyed fans. You see plenty of teams--maybe the majority--play that way. Look at the slapd!cks as another example.

And we haven't seen much of that the last 15+ years from a coach who made everyone sound like the Seventh Fleet. Fans b!tched about the hyperbole but seldom about the effort. Still early, but it now resembles an old effort problem again...
 
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The issue is how you win those 9 games. We beat Michigan State, UNC, and Seton Hall at their place. Give Tennessee, Marquette, and IU all they want. Then look like scrubs against other teams with actual scrubs.

Many are too young or too far removed from the Crum years to recall details. Denny's teams typically played up or down to the competition, and it frustrated and annoyed fans. You see plenty of teams--maybe the majority--play that way. Look at the slapd!cks as another example.

And we haven't seen much of that the last 15+ years from a coach who made everyone sound like the Seventh Fleet. Fans b!tched about the hyperbole but seldom about the effort. Still early, but it now resembles an old effort problem again...
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Maybe it wasn't effort but Pitino usually had a head scratching loss or 2 every year also. Some fans would be pissed and we'd have a freakout and then magically we'd be good at the end of the year most seasons.

Are you really trying to imply that neither Crum or Mack can get their teams to play with effort? I was a fan after the Crum years for the most part so I mostly only the saw the grouchy old man he became but its really hard to criticize him as a coach with his 2 national titles, final fours etc...
 
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Maybe it wasn't effort but Pitino usually had a head scratching loss or 2 every year also. Some fans would be pissed and we'd have a freakout and then magically we'd be good at the end of the year most seasons.

Are you really trying to imply that neither Crum or Mack can get their teams to play with effort? I was a fan after the Crum years for the most part so I mostly only the saw the grouchy old man he became but its really hard to criticize him as a coach with his 2 national titles, final fours etc...
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It's too early to brand Mack with that label unless you go back and analyze his Xavier teams. (I'm not...) But there's no question that Crum's teams had that label. I watched too many years of that to be told otherwise. Of course, near the end, it was hard to tell whether the issue was effort or talent.

It's human nature to NOT get up for an overmatched opponent. What Pitino accomplished was unusual. Our issue is we've been conditioned for that...
 
Pitino was a HOF coach - but no need to rewrite history for him.

Cards had teams under Rick that no showed against scrubs and barely beat, or even lost.... awful teams like Miami, Western Carolina, Ohio, Grand Canyon, and Tenn Tech close Ws.

While @ UofL Pitino lost to UMASS, Drexel, WKU, UNLV, TCU (by 25), Prov x 2 (by 30+ once), St. Louis, Depaul, Houston, East Carolina.

So on avg maybe one game a year where Rick's boys "looked like scrubs vs scrubs" and Mack's first year he's giving very close to the same in this regard so far, though there are a few games vs scrubs left. Jury still out.

Rick is a HOF coach that gave a HOF product.

But what we are now discussing is greatly off topic. The other guy doesn't matter anymore. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Bottom line Mack's won 88% of the games he should have so far, that's not a bad %. He's only coached as the favorite 9 games and he's doing this with his first team. We'll probably need years to be able to draw conclusions. That is, if we want to use data, and not the eye test.

Not 100% sure PITT is a scrub, going to wait until end of season. They may end up being so. Robert Morris was a scrub. Still won by double digits.
 
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Maybe it wasn't effort but Pitino usually had a head scratching loss or 2 every year also. Some fans would be pissed and we'd have a freakout and then magically we'd be good at the end of the year most seasons.

Are you really trying to imply that neither Crum or Mack can get their teams to play with effort? I was a fan after the Crum years for the most part so I mostly only the saw the grouchy old man he became but its really hard to criticize him as a coach with his 2 national titles, final fours etc...
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Pitino sent a team to the FF that lost to Providence by over 30 points. Pitino had a #1 overall seed that lost to WKU. And to be clear, Rick is a HOF'er and his coaching chops piss excellence. We all know that.

College basketball has a long season - majority of teams have a few games where they play over their head against top teams and under perform against lesser teams. This a universal fact Zipp just likes to "bring Mack fans back to earth" on a regular basis, and after blowing out UNC Zipp is really reaching for criticism. Mack's performance ain't making it easy so far, but the team is far from elite so expect a toe stub soon!

Michigan is undefeated, #2. Mack's Cards have a better record against the spread than they do. Not saying Cards are better of course.
 
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Lighten up, Francis. I wasn't trying to dig at you, your precious coach, your precious AD, or your program.

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Look at what a win vs UNC does to this guy. Oh the hostility. Quite embarrassing really. Good job.
 
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It's too early to brand Mack with that label unless you go back and analyze his Xavier teams. (I'm not...) But there's no question that Crum's teams had that label. I watched too many years of that to be told otherwise. Of course, near the end, it was hard to tell whether the issue was effort or talent.

It's human nature to NOT get up for an overmatched opponent. What Pitino accomplished was unusual. Our issue is we've been conditioned for that...
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How do you explain away Pitino's losses and supbar games to overmatched opponents we had pretty much every year? At the end Crum was bad which is why he got "retired". The game passed him by. When he was good though Louisville won a ton of games so they could not have been playing down to that many teams.

Fwiw I'm not criticizing Pitino cause he was a great coach but its completely false to say we never had off games against weaker teams.
 
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