Here is my two cents'

[Sioux Falls Eric]

First, I will say this we need to get out of the ACC and try to head to the Big12.Yet another year of the powers that be that run the ACC playing Puppet master and trying to dictate who it's conference champion will be. All this year they have been trying to prop up Miami just for them to not make the CFP and once again after Clemson and SMU are one and done the ACC will look less than in the eyes of the national media. All of the clear no-calls in the SMU and Miami games being dictated by their bogus replay station set up in Charlotte to me just proves my point. I am also tired of the ACC fascination with Notre Dame. I say cut ties and just bring in another school who will be a full-time member and not play this one foot in, one foot out BS.When we first got the invite to join the ACC, I thought we would be seen as an asset but instead only the "Tabacco Road" schools get the push. The ACC doesn't even promote our rivalry with UK, hell they don't even promote Duke vs. UNC anymore. I know the whole landscape of college football has changed but I honestly believe we got more respect and recognition when we were in the Big East. This past summer there was rumors of a Big 12/ACC merger or agreement and nothing came of it.We have the two HC in charge of our basketball and football programs who can elevate us and I feel like the ACC will do nothing but hold us back because they don't see us a viable member of their Atlatic Coast conference.

 

[Mayoman]

Man how do you really feel?

If it wasn't the ACC doing this whatever conference we would be in....likely would do the same. Like you I used to think just win and it won't matter. Not so sure about that anymore. The Cards are just the red headed bird that gets no respect.

I strongly dislike what CFB and CBB have become. I am losing interest fast. Maybe its my older age setting in and truly understanding that $$$ is the root of all evil that is turning my POV. Its like, 'Well hell, what's next?"

Its just not fun anymore. I really feel for the coaches. The players are just a product of this 'Me first, everything goes Wild West environment that has been created for and by them.'

I wish they wouldn't play this game this way. It truly is toxic and unsustainable. The ACC is what it is. I would prefer the B12 or some combination of 20 ACC/B12 with 2 dividions that excludes the NC mafia. That would teach them. Alas, that is just my pipe dream. UNC/Duke/WF/NC State can just bite me. We got to know you and you are .............

 

[EKYCard643]

College Football began its slow death spiral in 2012 when Missouri and Texas A&M moved to the SEC.

How on earth are we supposed to take the playoff seriously when the #1 sports network in the world has a 10-year contract with one specific conference? When you combine the initial shift in 2012 with the TV contract and the seismic and absolutely insane move to add Oklahoma and Texas to an already 14-team conference, you can clearly see what the college football playoff is angling to do. They are setting it up so that the SEC can dominate the playoff and consistently get at least 3 but as many as 5 teams in the 12 team field. The fact that Alabama was even in the conversation for a spot is all you need to know. You can't even realistically use strength of schedule rankings because a lot of that is based on rankings and points spreads which ESPN also interferes with. It's hard to get ranked wins when ESPN doesn't rank you. Promoting Alabama when South Carolina and Ole Miss both have better resumes is yet another glaringly obvious example of what the college football playoff is trying to achieve. Alabama's nonconference schedule included WKU, USF, Mercer and Wisconsin - you can't schedule much weaker than that.

Miami has nothing to complain to about. They should have lost multiple games this year and still lost to Syracuse and Georgia Tech - two "not bad" losses but two losses nonetheless. You can't put Miami in over SMU. Unfortunately you can't put them in over Penn State and because of the Penn State and IU wins - you can't put them in over OSU.

The 12 most deserving teams got in. YOU CAN NOT LOSE 3 GAMES and be considered for the playoff. In the end not losing games matters more than who you played.

 

[Mayoman]

College Football began its slow death spiral in 2012 when Missouri and Texas A&M moved to the SEC.

How on earth are we supposed to take the playoff seriously when the #1 sports network in the world has a 10-year contract with one specific conference? When you combine the initial shift in 2012 with the TV contract and the seismic and absolutely insane move to add Oklahoma and Texas to an already 14-team conference, you can clearly see what the college football playoff is angling to do. They are setting it up so that the SEC can dominate the playoff and consistently get at least 3 but as many as 5 teams in the 12 team field. The fact that Alabama was even in the conversation for a spot is all you need to know. You can't even realistically use strength of schedule rankings because a lot of that is based on rankings and points spreads which ESPN also interferes with. It's hard to get ranked wins when ESPN doesn't rank you. Promoting Alabama when South Carolina and Ole Miss both have better resumes is yet another glaringly obvious example of what the college football playoff is trying to achieve. Alabama's nonconference schedule included WKU, USF, Mercer and Wisconsin - you can't schedule much weaker than that.

Miami has nothing to complain to about. They should have lost multiple games this year and still lost to Syracuse and Georgia Tech - two "not bad" losses but two losses nonetheless. You can't put Miami in over SMU. Unfortunately you can't put them in over Penn State and because of the Penn State and IU wins - you can't put them in over OSU.

The 12 most deserving teams got in. YOU CAN NOT LOSE 3 GAMES and be considered for the playoff. In the end not losing games matters more than who you played.

Unless you are Clemson and win your league ship game. Then you can be in.

Do you think if TX beat UGA and gave them their 3rd loss that they would have been left out?

The SEC mafia would have gone berserk. Even worse than Bama, Ole Piss, and USC jr being left out. The hissing would be unbearable. Suchi s life in the fast lanes.

 

[EKYCard643]

Unless you are Clemson and win your league ship game. Then you can be in.

Do you think if TX beat UGA and gave them their 3rd loss that they would have been left out?

The SEC mafia would have gone berserk. Even worse than Bama, Ole Piss, and USC jr being left out. The hissing would be unbearable. Suchi s life in the fast lanes.

Right. I forgot about Clemson having 3 losses.

I was praying for Texas to win that game just so we could watch the talking heads bend over backwards to justify putting a 3-loss UGA team in over a 3-loss Ole Miss team that beat them by 18 points, even though all three Ole Miss losses are worse than UGAs'.

 

[Rollem Cards]

I didn’t watch the tx-uga game but I heard from a couple people that the refs had an impact?

True false I don’t know.

But pre game I was thinking I’d bet everything would be done to guarantee the “old guard” sec made the PO

Can’t have some snot nosed newbies winning the best conference in the universe 🙄

 

[2330859]

Man how do you really feel?

If it wasn't the ACC doing this whatever conference we would be in....likely would do the same. Like you I used to think just win and it won't matter. Not so sure about that anymore. The Cards are just the red headed bird that gets no respect.

I strongly dislike what CFB and CBB have become. I am losing interest fast. Maybe its my older age setting in and truly understanding that $$$ is the root of all evil that is turning my POV. Its like, 'Well hell, what's next?"

Its just not fun anymore. I really feel for the coaches. The players are just a product of this 'Me first, everything goes Wild West environment that has been created for and by them.'

I wish they wouldn't play this game this way. It truly is toxic and unsustainable. The ACC is what it is. I would prefer the B12 or some combination of 20 ACC/B12 with 2 dividions that excludes the NC mafia. That would teach them. Alas, that is just my pipe dream. UNC/Duke/WF/NC State can just bite me. We got to know you and you are .............

Completely agree Mayoman, and I too wonder if my feelings are tied to my 75 year age; but so many of my younger UL fans express the same feelings that I have. Greed and money have changed college sports and not in a good way.

 

[bigloucards]

First, I will say this we need to get out of the ACC and try to head to the Big12.Yet another year of the powers that be that run the ACC playing Puppet master and trying to dictate who it's conference champion will be. All this year they have been trying to prop up Miami just for them to not make the CFP and once again after Clemson and SMU are one and done the ACC will look less than in the eyes of the national media. All of the clear no-calls in the SMU and Miami games being dictated by their bogus replay station set up in Charlotte to me just proves my point. I am also tired of the ACC fascination with Notre Dame. I say cut ties and just bring in another school who will be a full-time member and not play this one foot in, one foot out BS.When we first got the invite to join the ACC, I thought we would be seen as an asset but instead only the "Tabacco Road" schools get the push. The ACC doesn't even promote our rivalry with UK, hell they don't even promote Duke vs. UNC anymore. I know the whole landscape of college football has changed but I honestly believe we got more respect and recognition when we were in the Big East. This past summer there was rumors of a Big 12/ACC merger or agreement and nothing came of it.We have the two HC in charge of our basketball and football programs who can elevate us and I feel like the ACC will do nothing but hold us back because they don't see us a viable member of their Atlatic Coast conference.

2 cents? That’s more like a nickel 😆

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

F the Big XII.

 

[CardsFirst]

Completely agree Mayoman, and I too wonder if my feelings are tied to my 75 year age; but so many of my younger UL fans express the same feelings that I have. Greed and money have changed college sports and not in a good way.

I’m 63 so no spring chicken, but my interest has gone south too. Heck I forgot about the BB game yesterday. I never use to do that. Between NIL, portal, and the SEC and Big 10 trying to create a monopoly in college sports with the help of ESPN. It’s gotten old. The excitement has left the building, so to say.

 

[Rollem Cards]

F the Big XII.

Right now I say F the acc

We gotta stay but we don’t have to like it.

 

[Sioux Falls Eric]

Man how do you really feel?

If it wasn't the ACC doing this whatever conference we would be in....likely would do the same. Like you I used to think just win and it won't matter. Not so sure about that anymore. The Cards are just the red headed bird that gets no respect.

I strongly dislike what CFB and CBB have become. I am losing interest fast. Maybe its my older age setting in and truly understanding that $$$ is the root of all evil that is turning my POV. Its like, 'Well hell, what's next?"

Its just not fun anymore. I really feel for the coaches. The players are just a product of this 'Me first, everything goes Wild West environment that has been created for and by them.'

I wish they wouldn't play this game this way. It truly is toxic and unsustainable. The ACC is what it is. I would prefer the B12 or some combination of 20 ACC/B12 with 2 dividions that excludes the NC mafia. That would teach them. Alas, that is just my pipe dream. UNC/Duke/WF/NC State can just bite me. We got to know you and you are .............

Wow, I got Mayo to comment on one of my post, and I totally agree with everything you said.

 

[Sioux Falls Eric]

Completely agree Mayoman, and I too wonder if my feelings are tied to my 75 year age; but so many of my younger UL fans express the same feelings that I have. Greed and money have changed college sports and not in a good way.

I love having the Brown but the simple fact that people are saying that we are going to have to dig deep to keep him just shows how corrupt college football has become. I was all for NIL at first, as I believe players should get some kind of compensation. But now it has gotten out of hand. Pandora’s box has been opened and there is no going back.

 

[Thecycle27]

I get but nothing really changed. Money has always been a factor. Players have all came and went they just do it faster and are paid in the open. I am not a fan of where it is going but the results have been fun to watch.
It still is a good product to watch. All the home games were entertaining. Louisville was able to build a legit roster.

The downfall and it is coming will the SEC and Big Ten arrogance. The playoff is good for college football. IU, Arizona State, Boise St and SMU all have a shot at a title that is awesome. It has teams from all 3 time zones. It has incredible 1st round games. It is just packaged differently. Remember when all the big bowl games were on New Year Day? It was awesome. Now you get it next weekend. As a college football fan what more can you want?

It will expand but the ACC and Big 12 need to fight for equal representation. The reality is for the TV people they need the ACC and Big 12 to be good. It generates more viewership. It introduces more fanbases to watch their product. The end game may not change but the road to get there changes every year. It is the best soap opera or TV series ever. The SEC and Big want to blow it up because they want more teams that can’t win it either. That is their arrogance and the TV folks greed. Hopefully, next weekend is a ratings juggernaut.

You never hear the great story of Arizona State without the playoff. SMU who was sentenced to death because they cheated better than Texas counterparts is now playing for a chance to win a title. Yeah let’s blow all this up to get more 3 loss SEC teams in. Greed and arrogance has killed a lot of good things. The Roman Empire eventually failed.

 

[Rollem Cards]

I love having the Brown but the simple fact that people are saying that we are going to have to dig deep to keep him just shows how corrupt college football has become. I was all for NIL at first, as I believe players should get some kind of compensation. But now it has gotten out of hand. Pandora’s box has been opened and there is no going back.

Tha classic “Be careful what you wish for….” 😉

Right now, the ones it hurts most are those who are paying for a lot of it.

Fans

And, I truly believe some players downs the road are going to have serious financial problems thru overspending, NOT making the league (or at a reduced salary) and TAXES!!

It going to be a rude awakening for some.

Of course all we will hear is MORE of how the poor “kids” were “taken advantage of”
🙄🥱

 

[glassmanJ]

“If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone, somewhere is making a penny.”
― steven wright​

 

[beantowncard]

I get but nothing really changed. Money has always been a factor. Players have all came and went they just do it faster and are paid in the open. I am not a fan of where it is going but the results have been fun to watch.
It still is a good product to watch. All the home games were entertaining. Louisville was able to build a legit roster.

The downfall and it is coming will the SEC and Big Ten arrogance. The playoff is good for college football. IU, Arizona State, Boise St and SMU all have a shot at a title that is awesome. It has teams from all 3 time zones. It has incredible 1st round games. It is just packaged differently. Remember when all the big bowl games were on New Year Day? It was awesome. Now you get it next weekend. As a college football fan what more can you want?

It will expand but the ACC and Big 12 need to fight for equal representation. The reality is for the TV people they need the ACC and Big 12 to be good. It generates more viewership. It introduces more fanbases to watch their product. The end game may not change but the road to get there changes every year. It is the best soap opera or TV series ever. The SEC and Big want to blow it up because they want more teams that can’t win it either. That is their arrogance and the TV folks greed. Hopefully, next weekend is a ratings juggernaut.

You never hear the great story of Arizona State without the playoff. SMU who was sentenced to death because they cheated better than Texas counterparts is now playing for a chance to win a title. Yeah let’s blow all this up to get more 3 loss SEC teams in. Greed and arrogance has killed a lot of good things. The Roman Empire eventually failed.

There are 4 times zones

 

[beantowncard]

Tha classic “Be careful what you wish for….” 😉

Right now, the ones it hurts most are those who are paying for a lot of it.

Fans

And, I truly believe some players downs the road are going to have serious financial problems thru overspending, NOT making the league (or at a reduced salary) and TAXES!!

It going to be a rude awakening for some.

Of course all we will hear is MORE of how the poor “kids” were “taken advantage of”
🙄🥱

The economic model doesn’t work. College sports will die, and it will shock many who won’t believe how fast it falls. The only way out is to go to a scheme with player contracts and a salary cap to include coaches and administrators. There also needs to be stronger academic standards and a player bonus for graduation in four years.

 

[Cap'n Jim]

There are 4 times zones

Actually, there are 6 representing the 50 States and one could make a case for 8 depending on whether or not DST is in effect… that would include Puerto Rico and Guam. 😉 (Sorry, I spent a LOT of time traveling over the years… 😎✈️) Cheers!

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

Actually, there are 6 representing the 50 States and one could make a case for 8 depending on whether or not DST is in effect… that would include Puerto Rico and Guam. 😉 (Sorry, I spent a LOT of time traveling over the years… 😎✈️) Cheers!

Technically, aren't there 24 time zones?

 

[nccardfan]

Technically, aren't there 24 time zones?

Technically, there are 40 time zones.

 

[beantowncard]

Actually, there are 6 representing the 50 States and one could make a case for 8 depending on whether or not DST is in effect… that would include Puerto Rico and Guam. 😉 (Sorry, I spent a LOT of time traveling over the years… 😎✈️) Cheers!

Quite correct! Thank you.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

Technically, there are 40 time zones.

With 24 hours in a day, that is impressive!

 

[beantowncard]

With 24 hours in a day, that is impressive!

Yeah, there are some half hour and even quarter hour time zones.

 

[Cap'n Jim]

With 24 hours in a day, that is impressive!

I bought a Seiko watch in Honolulu years ago when I began flying International routes and it had 29 time zones according to the little manual that came with it. I asked the salesperson about that and he chuckled as he related the fact that there are several time zones on the half-hour. I thought, man that’s crazy… but it’s true. The Canadian maritimes are on the half-hour as is Afghanistan, India and a few others. What’s really weird to me is that China, as large as it is, has a single time zone. There’s a little bit of trivia that might be useful in winning some adult beverages… 😉

 

[nccardfan]

Yes, so technically the question was how many time zones, not how many "hour" time zones, right?

 

[2330859]

Back to the Transfer Portal; there is a significant difference between the kids using the Transfer Portal to play football, and the money being paid to attract their services. I personally see the underlying problem as the money, and the destruction it is bringing to what started out as amateur sports. If a college education was deemed insufficient for so many student athletes for so many decades; then someone needs to explain to me why so few could be rewarded at the expense of so many. Every fan, every student, every ticket holder at every school are the ones being punished.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

Say what you will

In 2023, only 2 regular season games had 10 million viewers
In 2024, 5 regular season games had 10 million viewers

In 2023,
7 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a SEC team
6 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a Big Ten team
1 of the top 20 most viewed games featured an ACC team (LSU vs. FSU)

In 2024,
15 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a SEC team
6 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a Big Ten team. 4 of those had Ohio State
1 of the top 20 most viewed games featured an ACC team (Clemson vs. Georgia)

The change in the TV deal for the SEC was the in 2023, only 1 SEC game per week could be on a broadcast network on CBS. In 2024, ABC could air as many SEC games as they wanted.

I would imagine if USC & Michigan were better, the Big Ten would've had more top rated matchups. Like for example, had USC been a top 15 level team that final week game against Notre Dame would've drawn massive ratings.

And we can go on about $EC BIASSSS!!!! but ABC/Disney aren't trying to push the SEC over us for bias. ABC/Disney have stockholders. They're in it to make money. The viewers are saying this is what they want. People are tuning in to these games.

The reason it sucks is because we're in a league that's not drawing the big ratings. You can say that we won't take it seriously, but the viewing public is casual fans. Casual fans love to watch football. They're tuning into these big games. It's not the sport I loved years ago, but saying that it's dying and we can't take it serious is false.

Look when most of us were born, the champion was determined by pollsters and there wasn't a champion. Was that a sport that was serious and you could take serious? I mean most every game wasn't even on TV. Then we got a championship game based on an arbitrary computer ranking. It moved up to 4 teams based on a random committee's opinion.

Now we have 12. I think the winner of this will be the best team in the country and it will be undisputed. No matter how many teams you add, someone will cry. In college basketball we still have crying about it when 68 teams are in for crying out loud. The ratings will be huge. The sport as a national event is going to grow. It's bigger than the NBA and MLB and only the NFL is above it.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

Back to the Transfer Portal; there is a significant difference between the kids using the Transfer Portal to play football, and the money being paid to attract their services. I personally see the underlying problem as the money, and the destruction it is bringing to what started out as amateur sports. If a college education was deemed insufficient for so many student athletes for so many decades; then someone needs to explain to me why so few could be rewarded at the expense of so many. Every fan, every student, every ticket holder at every school are the ones being punished.

To be fair, the value of a college education nowadays is not nearly what it was a couple of decades ago.

The pendulum is starting to swing back as people choose skilled trades over English 101. Frankly, I don't blame them.

 

[beantowncard]

Say what you will

In 2023, only 2 regular season games had 10 million viewers
In 2024, 5 regular season games had 10 million viewers

In 2023,
7 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a SEC team
6 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a Big Ten team
1 of the top 20 most viewed games featured an ACC team (LSU vs. FSU)

In 2024,
15 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a SEC team
6 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a Big Ten team. 4 of those had Ohio State
1 of the top 20 most viewed games featured an ACC team (Clemson vs. Georgia)

The change in the TV deal for the SEC was the in 2023, only 1 SEC game per week could be on a broadcast network on CBS. In 2024, ABC could air as many SEC games as they wanted.

I would imagine if USC & Michigan were better, the Big Ten would've had more top rated matchups. Like for example, had USC been a top 15 level team that final week game against Notre Dame would've drawn massive ratings.

And we can go on about $EC BIASSSS!!!! but ABC/Disney aren't trying to push the SEC over us for bias. ABC/Disney have stockholders. They're in it to make money. The viewers are saying this is what they want. People are tuning in to these games.

The reason it sucks is because we're in a league that's not drawing the big ratings. You can say that we won't take it seriously, but the viewing public is casual fans. Casual fans love to watch football. They're tuning into these big games. It's not the sport I loved years ago, but saying that it's dying and we can't take it serious is false.

Look when most of us were born, the champion was determined by pollsters and there wasn't a champion. Was that a sport that was serious and you could take serious? I mean most every game wasn't even on TV. Then we got a championship game based on an arbitrary computer ranking. It moved up to 4 teams based on a random committee's opinion.

Now we have 12. I think the winner of this will be the best team in the country and it will be undisputed. No matter how many teams you add, someone will cry. In college basketball we still have crying about it when 68 teams are in for crying out loud. The ratings will be huge. The sport as a national event is going to grow. It's bigger than the NBA and MLB and only the NFL is above it.

It’s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy- the $EC and B1G get the best time slots and distribution; of course they get higher ratings. Those ratings then justify more exposure. More exposure builds fan bases, and in turn game attendance. It’s a cycle. We can break the cycle only with victories. We have to find hungry, underestimated players and assistant coaches we can afford.

 

[LeFors4Ever]

It’s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy- the $EC and B1G get the best time slots and distribution; of course they get higher ratings. Those ratings then justify more exposure. More exposure builds fan bases, and in turn game attendance. It’s a cycle. We can break the cycle only with victories. We have to find hungry, underestimated players and assistant coaches we can afford.

You can say that for any program, but the big brands are still the big brands. Money rules the day.
Putting SMU vs. Louisville and UNC vs. Virginia Tech on ABC isn't going to draw huge ratings. It will give those games a bump, but you still have to have a national draw to get those 4-10 million viewers.

And the playoff will be a good test.

But if say Texas, UT/OSU(doesn't matter), Penn State, and Notre Dame all win their first round games.
Then the Final Four is Texas vs. Oregon/OSU/Tenn and then Penn State vs. Georgia.
Then the narrative stays the same. Clemson needs to win for our league. AZ State, SMU, Boise, and IU need to have 2 win and can't all get embarrassed

Like winning would be fine, but people need to see it more and on a bigger stage. We love our Orange Bowl win, but it's getting close to 20 years since that game. Teddy winning the Sugar Bowl was amazing, but it's been over a decade. Cincy made the Final Four and even TCU made the title game, neither of those programs have elevated in the national scene. It's not just winning, it's being a consistent winner and elite program over time.

Clemson was always a good brand and had a good following, but their decade run of top 10 finishes, national titles, ACC titles, draft picks, and etc. cemented them in the minds of people as an elite brand of the sport.

Big State schools have the advantages with numbers, but building a fan base is generational. It's built with people watching your team weekly and your team being the one that wins for a certain time creating those fans. Notre Dame built that years ago. All those SEC schools built a religion that draws massive ratings

 

[Thecycle27]

The data is clear. However the SEC, Big Ten and TV executives should examine why? It has led to discussions of breaking off going on their own. Which is pure arrogance which can lead to bad decisions. College football is a national sport. By breaking off their TV audience would decline. They would still draw a good audience but growth would be challenging.

I think the NCAA basketball tournament is a good example of the product brings eyeballs. The entire country watches the NCAA tournament. The public doesn’t care about the final outcome they care about all the drama leading up to the final game.

The same is true for the playoff. The ratings matter but you can’t fix the system to get the ratings. The product will bring eyeballs. When you give preference to conferences it does influence the whole system. The power 4 conferences should get the same AQ’s. Giving the SEC and Big Ten more AQ is rigging the system.

 

[nccardfan]

To be fair, the value of a college education nowadays is not nearly what it was a couple of decades ago.

The pendulum is starting to swing back as people choose skilled trades over English 101. Frankly, I don't blame them.

I think you used a poor choice there, maybe choose skilled trades over biochemistry, physics, geometry (although those things did help me in my career) but they should choose/agree to use English as their primary choice to communicate.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

I think you used a poor choice there, maybe choose skilled trades over biochemistry, physics, geometry (although those things did help me in my career) but they should choose/agree to use English as their primary choice to communicate.

English 101 was a metaphor for entry level and basic college education.

The larger point I was attempting to make -- ROI of a bachelor's degree isn't the same as someone who apprentices for a trade (electrician, HVAC, plumbing, etc etc etc). So, student athletes who go to college while playing the sport they love and are good at, aren't getting the value for their scholly and degree that they may have received in the past.


And I agree .... English should be the national language.

.

 

[Rollem Cards]

So what people are saying is we are no better off than we were in CUSA.

Even if we went to the SEC or the Big Ten, we’d still be middle to bottom feeders according to the money scale

It was a fun run while it lasted

 

[nccardfan]

English 101 was a metaphor for entry level and basic college education.

The larger point I was attempting to make -- ROI of a bachelor's degree isn't the same as someone who apprentices for a trade (electrician, HVAC, plumbing, etc etc etc). So, student athletes who go to college while playing the sport they love and are good at, aren't getting the value for their scholly and degree that they may have received in the past.


And I agree .... English should be the national language.

.

Gotcha! Back when I went to college, English 101 was actually the hardest class that most freshman had to pass and I took a lot of related coursework like creative writing, in high school. I ended up with a D that first semester, of course I blame it on Fraternity Week and all the partying I did

I ended up retaking it during the summer at JCC and got a B. My point was I think the university used that course to weed out students who weren't meant to go to college... and nothing wrong with that. One of my closest friends didn't go to college and worked for Phillip Morris for 25 years, got a pension, grandfather clock, etc and was able to retire... I'm still working

 

[2330859]

Say what you will

In 2023, only 2 regular season games had 10 million viewers
In 2024, 5 regular season games had 10 million viewers

In 2023,
7 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a SEC team
6 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a Big Ten team
1 of the top 20 most viewed games featured an ACC team (LSU vs. FSU)

In 2024,
15 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a SEC team
6 of the top 20 most viewed games featured a Big Ten team. 4 of those had Ohio State
1 of the top 20 most viewed games featured an ACC team (Clemson vs. Georgia)

The change in the TV deal for the SEC was the in 2023, only 1 SEC game per week could be on a broadcast network on CBS. In 2024, ABC could air as many SEC games as they wanted.

I would imagine if USC & Michigan were better, the Big Ten would've had more top rated matchups. Like for example, had USC been a top 15 level team that final week game against Notre Dame would've drawn massive ratings.

And we can go on about $EC BIASSSS!!!! but ABC/Disney aren't trying to push the SEC over us for bias. ABC/Disney have stockholders. They're in it to make money. The viewers are saying this is what they want. People are tuning in to these games.

The reason it sucks is because we're in a league that's not drawing the big ratings. You can say that we won't take it seriously, but the viewing public is casual fans. Casual fans love to watch football. They're tuning into these big games. It's not the sport I loved years ago, but saying that it's dying and we can't take it serious is false.

Look when most of us were born, the champion was determined by pollsters and there wasn't a champion. Was that a sport that was serious and you could take serious? I mean most every game wasn't even on TV. Then we got a championship game based on an arbitrary computer ranking. It moved up to 4 teams based on a random committee's opinion.

Now we have 12. I think the winner of this will be the best team in the country and it will be undisputed. No matter how many teams you add, someone will cry. In college basketball we still have crying about it when 68 teams are in for crying out loud. The ratings will be huge. The sport as a national event is going to grow. It's bigger than the NBA and MLB and only the NFL is above it.

LeFors:

Your point is well-made, but I believe it is only "the quiet before the storm". Your statistics are both accurate and they serves as a solid evidence of the situation today. However, we have not yet seen the consequences of what all of these changes will evolve into as we get further into the future.

First, the ten million viewers is a significant form of valuation right now, but in all fairness, most all of that TV audience is currently free. Like most, I recall when all ESPN, like ABC, NBC and CBS, were free, but even at this early point in time, ESPN is requiring a monthly fee for Premium content. Cable is going to increase its cost as it recognizes fewer people attending the venues in person in favor of watching at home.

We are already witnessing more and more schools reporting reduction in the number of season ticket holders, and its only time before the arena and stadium attendance feel the financial impact as the donations and ticket prices must increase to cover the reduced demand and increased expenses. Some schools are already questioning their acceptance to Bowl venues as they see fewer requests for tickets from alumni and fans.

Admittedly, some of the SEC and BIG schools are as popular as ever before, and clearly "they are printing money" in most all of their revenue sports, and I am not assigning the same dismal consequences to "those usual suspects", something that explains ESPN investing so much in those two conferences. However, at some point in time, even those two mega-conferences will discover that some of their own members are not contributing ............. and the "total cost of ownership" will become a topic of concern for some of those same members who recognize their alumni, Board of Directors and fans are questioning their own Mission Statements.

Ask yourself how long can UL justify its participation in the ACC based on the combination of cultural trends and financial realities affecting the schools mission? UL is not alone, there is a growing number of Universities that recognize the challenges and the required investment to play college football, and provide sufficient funding for Title IX non-revenue sports. Imagine the cost just to transport Teams round trip to California .............how did anyone include that in its budget?

I truly hate to sound so negative and pessimistic ............I just cannot see any of this as sustainable.

 

[beantowncard]

English 101 was a metaphor for entry level and basic college education.

The larger point I was attempting to make -- ROI of a bachelor's degree isn't the same as someone who apprentices for a trade (electrician, HVAC, plumbing, etc etc etc). So, student athletes who go to college while playing the sport they love and are good at, aren't getting the value for their scholly and degree that they may have received in the past.


And I agree .... English should be the national language.

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I agree though a lot depends on the major.

 

[beantowncard]

LeFors:

Your point is well-made, but I believe it is only "the quiet before the storm". Your statistics are both accurate and they serves as a solid evidence of the situation today. However, we have not yet seen the consequences of what all of these changes will evolve into as we get further into the future.

First, the ten million viewers is a significant form of valuation right now, but in all fairness, most all of that TV audience is currently free. Like most, I recall when all ESPN, like ABC, NBC and CBS, were free, but even at this early point in time, ESPN is requiring a monthly fee for Premium content. Cable is going to increase its cost as it recognizes fewer people attending the venues in person in favor of watching at home.

We are already witnessing more and more schools reporting reduction in the number of season ticket holders, and its only time before the arena and stadium attendance feel the financial impact as the donations and ticket prices must increase to cover the reduced demand and increased expenses. Some schools are already questioning their acceptance to Bowl venues as they see fewer requests for tickets from alumni and fans.

Admittedly, some of the SEC and BIG schools are as popular as ever before, and clearly "they are printing money" in most all of their revenue sports, and I am not assigning the same dismal consequences to "those usual suspects", something that explains ESPN investing so much in those two conferences. However, at some point in time, even those two mega-conferences will discover that some of their own members are not contributing ............. and the "total cost of ownership" will become a topic of concern for some of those same members who recognize their alumni, Board of Directors and fans are questioning their own Mission Statements.

Ask yourself how long can UL justify its participation in the ACC based on the combination of cultural trends and financial realities affecting the schools mission? UL is not alone, there is a growing number of Universities that recognize the challenges and the required investment to play college football, and provide sufficient funding for Title IX non-revenue sports. Imagine the cost just to transport Teams round trip to California .............how did anyone include that in its budget?

I truly hate to sound so negative and pessimistic ............I just cannot see any of this as sustainable.

Those economic realities will hit ESPN soon- they’ve already had massive layoffs. How much more can they pump into CFB when they face falling ratings? This model for CFB doesn’t work longer term. The days of multi- million dollar players will soon end. The money will simply not be there.

 

[Mayoman]

Those economic realities will hit ESPN soon- they’ve already had massive layoffs. How much more can they pump into CFB when they face falling ratings? This model for CFB doesn’t work longer term. The days of multi- million dollar players will soon end. The money will simply not be there.

I think you are spot on. I know my money will not be there for them. And with YT TV rasing their rates in Jan...my money won't be with them much longer either.

Greed is the evil that will crush us all.

Pray for it not to keep getting worse and worse.