ESPN 680 Hater Twins portend bad things for men's basketball attendance...

[zipp]

Podcast Link

(Cue forward to around the 10-minute mark on the March 20th Hour 2 file.)

Their conversation starts on the general overhang of "Pitino" on tomorrow's game. But it evolves into their recognition that the presence/absence of Rick is proving to be a major issue with regular season basketball attendance at Bailout.

This is not unlike these guys laying the decision to pay Petrino $14 million at the feet of "Vince". Again, these two are predisposed to think good things about "Vince" and the new regime, and to hate on their predecessors. Focus on their credibility all you want as I do, there's no question they want to see good things happen under "Vince". But credit to them, they will call a spade a spade in the end...

 

[gocards1987]

Ao Pitino should still be our coach despite the program possible facing ncaa sanctions again because of scandal after just doing so?

Honest question, do you seriously believe the head coach bears no responsibility for making sure his program is compliant?

You continue to beat this drum like Pitino should still be here but who cares how great he is if we aren't even allowed to play in the tourney if have scholarship reductions etc..

Those aren't UofL fans fwiw. Mclean is uva and sweeney is who knows. That is why they are enjoying this so much. What they said is mostly BS anyhow. Its been 1 season since Pitino was hired. Anyone with a brain isn't counting last year as part of the healing process and they know the aura of Pitino was still going to be on the program. We are still facing the possibility of sanctions as they gleefully reminded everybody. Anybody with a brain also knew that the minute this matchup was announced it was going to be a story that we were going against Pitino's son. Its why both coaches almost immediately said that it didn't matter.

These two complained about Jurich and Pitino when they were here and will complain about Tyra and Mack now. Its because they want to see UofL fail. Their attendance talk was BS also. Their basis of reference of how many Louisville fans where going to be in Des Moines was UK a couple of seasons ago and the fact their weren't a ton of people act practice today. A bunch of people aren't going to be a practice anyhow and most fans are going to be driving in later tonight and tomorrow morning. People do have jobs with limited amounts of vacation time, most people aren't going to waste more to watch practice. A couple of seasons ago UK brought a large fan contigent as they usually do. They could not get as many as they normally do because Kansas was also their along with IU who both travel well. Kansas knew for weeks prior they were going to Des Moines and bought up a bunch of tickets and then cheered against UK. The arena was as capacity but those 2 idiots couldn't figure that out. It wasn't that UK didn't travel, they couldn't get tickets.

 

[CardsFirst]

Podcast Link

(Cue forward to around the 10-minute mark on the March 20th Hour 2 file.)

Their conversation starts on the general overhang of "Pitino" on tomorrow's game. But it evolves into their recognition that the presence/absence of Rick is proving to be a major issue with regular season basketball attendance at Bailout.

This is not unlike these guys laying the decision to fire Petrino at the feet of "Vince". Again, these two are predisposed to think good things about "Vince" and the new regime, and to hate on their predecessors. Focus on their credibility all you want as I do, there's no question they want to see good things happen under "Vince". But credit to them, they will call a spade a spade in the end...

I hate diving into this pool because you remind me of nothing more than “Groundhog Day”. Two nitwits have an opinion you can latch onto you and you run to the board like a kid running to Christmas gifts on Christmas morning.

It’s still their opinion which means a big ole nothing.

 

[PushupMan]

Nobody will care about Sergeant Schulz once we are again contending for ACC and NCAA titles under Coach Mack.

Unless of course it turns out that his Sergeant Schulz act gets us another postseason ban, more scholarship reductions, or worse. If that happens, then anyone professing a fondness for Ole SS on here can expect to have to dodge rotten tomatoes. And lots of them.

 

[zipp]

Ao Pitino should still be our coach...

You're shooting the messenger--and distorting the message--because you don't LIKE the message.

It's not an issue of whether Pitino should still be the coach--he should not.

It's not an issue of whether these two guys hate "Vince"--they love him.

The issue is what the clowns have wrought on U of L, what they understood as the issues, and what they understand now.

Jurich once referred to Pitino as "Elvis". And it may be for good reason. Stupid of us not to understand that.

 

[CardsFirst]

Ao Pitino should still be our coach...

You're shooting the messenger--and distorting the message--because you don't LIKE the message.

It's not an issue of whether Pitino should still be the coach--he should not.

It's not an issue of whether these two guys hate "Vince"--they love him.

The issue is what the clowns have wrought on U of L, what they understood as the issues, and what they understand now.

Jurich once referred to Pitino as "Elvis". And it may be for good reason. Stupid of us not to understand that.

I guess the Elvis comment is relevant since they both were responsible for their own demise. So Jurich saw the writing on the wall and kept him anyway? This is darn comical

 

[Knucklehank1]

I guess the Elvis comment is relevant since they both were responsible for their own demise. So Jurich saw the writing on the wall and kept him anyway? This is darn comical

CardFirst wins this round decisively

 

[zipp]

I guess the Elvis comment is relevant since they both were responsible for their own demise. So Jurich saw the writing on the wall and kept him anyway? This is darn comical

Jurich meant that Pitino was as big or bigger than you (U of L) are. Sucks for us not to recognize that fact, and that

<== this guy

was a lot smarter than people NOW wanna give him credit for...

 

[zipp]

CardFirst wins this round decisively

Says you? LOL...

 

[zipp]

Love these threads. It's like a poop flushing a toilet...

 

[KerryRhodes]

Love these threads. It's like a poop flushing a toilet...

Your lack of humility and blindness will be your downfall.......

 

[PushupMan]

Elvis, no. Sergeant Schulz, definitely

 

[gocards1987]

You're shooting the messenger--and distorting the message--because you don't LIKE the message.

It's not an issue of whether Pitino should still be the coach--he should not.

It's not an issue of whether these two guys hate "Vince"--they love him.

The issue is what the clowns have wrought on U of L, what they understood as the issues, and what they understand now.

Jurich once referred to Pitino as "Elvis". And it may be for good reason. Stupid of us not to understand that.

I had no respect for these idiots before and I have none now. They could always be counted on to frame any story involving UofL in the most negative way possible. Any controversy, UofL was the bad guy, any big game, UofL is going to lose. The only difference now is that your interests align with theirs. If I didn't respect their opinion then why would I do so now?

Before fans hated that Pitino was always the center of attention and now all of a sudden we need that. I wasn't one of them but a lot of people here hated that about Pitino.

I'm wasn't deflecting anything. I was curious what your endgame was. If its not to get Pitino back what is it? If Tyra is fired will everything be okay with you again? Supposedly you are criticizing Tyra cause he isn't doing his job well but if we are back where we were before all the scandal in 5 years will you be a Tyra fan or will you still be quoting Lach and Sweeney? If they are still here in 5 years they are still going to be trashing UofL.

 

[kentuckyshame]

On the eve of our 1st round NCAA tourney game this guy brings up Pitino. Fitting for a guy who earlier in this thread referred to himself as poop.

 

[KerryRhodes]

On the eve of our 1st round NCAA tourney game this d-bag brings up Pitino. Fitting for a guy who earlier in this thread referred to himself as poop.

No doubt who he is pulling for and it aint Red n Black.........

 

[ThroughBlue]

No doubt who he is pulling for and it aint Red n Black.........

I’m honestly surprised he isn’t on some Greek league forum. What will he do when Jurich / Pitino land another job?

 

[zipp]

...I'm wasn't deflecting anything...

Sure you are.

...I was curious what your endgame was. If its not to get Pitino back what is it? If Tyra is fired will everything be okay with you again? Supposedly you are criticizing Tyra cause he isn't doing his job well but if we are back where we were before all the scandal in 5 years will you be a Tyra fan or will you still be quoting Lach and Sweeney? If they are still here in 5 years they are still going to be trashing UofL.

You're asking a question that anyone with a serious problem gets asked. And it's like a 12-step program: you don't fix your problem UNTIL YOU RECOGNIZE your problem.

Clowns aren't going to because they (1) are in denial as well, or (2) they don't care. You as a fan are simply living in your own little version of reality or feeding into their "deemphasize athletics" vision of the future.

I don't care which road you wanna go down, but denial ain't gonna keep working for ya. Smarter people than you know where we are and how we got here, whether they tell you or not. I'm simply a guy telling you, and I will keep telling you...

 

[zipp]

I’m honestly surprised he isn’t on some Greek league forum. What will he do when Jurich / Pitino land another job?

And the beauty is that the LPT turds are in the same flush...

 

[slam21]

I will say this. Zipp, you can twist things a million ways to one, but in all honesty, UL has one of the best college coaches in the game right now, if not THE best. Regardless of finances, attendance, average ticket sales, and whatever other pie chart you pull out, UL has the best coach and he should be supported to the fullest.

 

[BooneCo_Card]

I’m honestly surprised he isn’t on some Greek league forum. What will he do when Jurich / Pitino land another job?

Here you go....

forums.phantis.com/forum/50-basketball-forums/

 

[gocards1987]

Sure you are.

You're asking a question that anyone with a serious problem gets asked. And it's like a 12-step program: you don't fix your problem UNTIL YOU RECOGNIZE your problem.

Clowns aren't going to because they (1) are in denial as well, or (2) they don't care. You as a fan are simply living in your own little version of reality or feeding into their "deemphasize athletics" vision of the future.

I don't care which road you wanna go down, but denial ain't gonna keep working for ya. Smarter people than you know where we are and how we got here, whether they tell you or not. I'm simply a guy telling you, and I will keep telling you...

They said that UofL attendance is down because Pitino is gone and are then were trying to make up BS comments to pick at Mack in his press conference. I've said before that attendance was down this year because we just went through two scandals and then had Padgett go to the NIT. You don't immediately come back from that as a fanbase. It will take Mack stabilizing the program and winning to do so. This year was step 1.

Then they said that Mack must be upset because of the questions about Pitino insinuating that he was regretting taking the job. They attempted to frame this as they felt bad for but where trying to figure out how they themselves could as the question 30 seconds later. That there shows that they aren't supporting Tyra, UofL, Jurich, Pitino, or whoever but are just trying to cause drama.

If you want to talk about deflecting how about your sidestepping questions? If Tyra is successful 5 years from now, will you still be holding the Jurich, Pitino torch? If you were a Pitino/Jurich not UofL its fine but there is no reason for you to continue on here. Go support Minnesota.

I'm not in denial. I don't agree with everything Tyra has done and his newness has shown in a few ways. PR was one of them. I think he has done a good job overall through. I supported the Mack hire immediately and I supported firing Petrino. 14 mil or not he was going to crater the football program. I wanted Brohm like most but he wasn't worth what it was going to take to outspend Purdue. Satterfield seems like a good hire and he hired a staff that was outstanding imo. The biggest knock was recruiting and it looks like Satterfield knew that and hired a staff to counteract that. Petrino would have done himself a service to hire recruiters instead of family members.

 

[ThroughBlue]

And the beauty is that the LPT turds are in the same flush...

Keep up the good work. If I didn’t know your real name I’d swear you were a parody account

 

[zipp]

I will say this. Zipp, you can twist things a million ways to one, but in all honesty, UL has one of the best college coaches in the game right now, if not THE best. Regardless of finances, attendance, average ticket sales, and whatever other pie chart you pull out, UL has the best coach and he should be supported to the fullest.

And that's exactly NOT a subject I'm talking about, whoever you are...

 

[Knucklehank1]

Says you? LOL...

Yes, you are getting worked in this thread.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Yes, you are getting worked in this thread.

As usual

 

[zipp]

They said that UofL attendance is down because Pitino is gone and are then were trying to make up BS comments to pick at Mack in his press conference...

You heard what you wanted to hear...

Those guys like Mack and "Vince". They're now second guessing why five thousand people are staying away from U of L basketball games--a subject that aligns with how many are traveling to a 1st round NCAA game. They don't wanna blame Mack, they'd much rather blame Pitino.

It's now become clear--to these two haters anyway--that the problem ain't fixed by what came IN the door. It's what got kicked OUT...

 

[Knucklehank1]

Zipp - now that you’ve resorted to parroting Sweeney and Lach, it’s clear you are nearing rock bottom. Just know that all of us in Card Nation are all pulling for you and hope that you pull through this rough patch in your posting tenure. Let this period just be a minor setback for a major comeback! You got this Zipp!!

 

[zipp]

Zipp - now that you’ve resorted to parroting Sweeney and Lach, it’s clear you are nearing rock bottom. Just know that all of us in Card Nation are all pulling for you and hope that you pull through this rough patch in your posting tenure. Let this period just be a minor setback for a major comeback! You got this Zipp!!

For a change, got anything actually on the topic you wanna discuss?...

 

[Knucklehank1]

For a change, got anything actually on the topic you wanna discuss?...

Nope, just want to help you get out of this rut. Perhaps a small opportunity might be for you to just enjoy the tournament for a few days and maybe tune out Lach and Andy.

 

[Art79]

Jurich meant that Pitino was as big or bigger than you (U of L) are. Sucks for us not to recognize that fact...

I had certainly hoped to stay away from adding to this misguided thread, but the comment above was so egregious that I can’t…

Any thought on anyone’s part that anyone is “bigger than UofL” is a large part of what led to the mismanagement of the basketball program and which led us to where we are today. It's truly sad that anyone might think like that.

 

[zipp]

I had certainly hoped to stay away from adding to this misguided thread, but the comment above was so egregious that I can’t…

Any thought on anyone’s part that anyone is “bigger than UofL” is a large part of what led to the mismanagement of the basketball program and which led us to where we are today. It's truly sad that anyone might think like that.

Just in case anyone thinks I'm fabricating the comment... LINK

And you think you're bigger than Elvis? Think again.

What's sad is true denial, not just the message board variety...

 

[BPGhost]

What’s really sad is people who point the finger when they should be pointing the thumb.

 

[Art79]

Just in case anyone thinks I'm fabricating the comment... LINK

And you think you're bigger than Elvis? Think again.

What's sad is true denial, not just the message board variety...

What?!? Where did I even suggest that I think that I am "bigger than Elvis"? You obviously have some reading comprehension problems. You had clearly said that "Jurich meant that Pitino was as big or bigger than you (U of L) are" and that it "sucks for us not to recognize that fact". I simply stated that no one is bigger than the university and that this kind of thinking is part of what led us to where we are today. And I stand by that comment, and I don't need to twist anyone's words into something else.

 

[zipp]

What?!? Where did I even suggest that I think that I am "bigger than Elvis"? You obviously have some reading comprehension problems. You had clearly said that "Jurich meant that Pitino was as big or bigger than you (U of L) are" and that it "sucks for us not to recognize that fact". I simply stated that no one is bigger than the university and that this kind of thinking is part of what led us to where we are today. And I stand by that comment, and I don't need to twist anyone's words into something else.

Nothing wrong with my "comprehension" of the Law of Transitivity...

Pitino = Elvis

Elvis > U of L

Pitino > U of L

 

[KerryRhodes]

Pitino > U of L

You couldnt be anymore of a jim jones like follower.

NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE UNIVERSITY.
EVER.

Coach Crum > pitino
Coach Hickman > pitino
Coach Mack > pitino.

 

[kentuckyshame]

You couldnt be anymore of a jim jones like follower.

NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE UNIVERSITY.
EVER.

Coach Crum > pitino
Coach Hickman > pitino
Coach Mack > pitino.

I love that you brought up Crum here Kerry. Obviously Crum did more for UofL than Pitino, so keeping him in perspective would make one believe that no one individual could be greater than the University, and I’m really surprised that anyone would make that statement.

I’ve been reading these boards for years, usually just reading until the past year or so, and I can tell you zipp has become the village idiot around here. He is truly an instigator with an axe to grind, and is quite depressing, and pulls others down to his depths. This time he’s using a math formula to “prove” Pitino is greater than UofL by randomly plugging in a dead guy who saw the height of his career before most people that visits these boards were even born, who was loved worldwide and putting Pitino on his level and putting them both above UofL....The fu**?. The guy has derailed.

 

[kentuckyshame]

https://www.thescore.com/wcbk/news/...eges-have-the-most-passionate-basketball-fans

 

[Thecycle27]

The narrative attendance is down only because Pitinio isn't there is so freaking lazy and old. Is it a factor sure, but it is one of many.
1) Not 1 but 2 scandals will push the average fan away especially fans that took pride in running a clean program.
2) Attendance is a problem across the country until March.
3) College basketball is different kids don't stay fans aren't as emotionally attached to players/teams.
4) Louisville had no incoming freshman or players that excited the fanbase.
5) Live events are consumed much differently than 5 years ago. Younger generation doesn't go to live events like we did.
6) Waiting in the next NCAA investigation. It is hard to get excited if you know the NCAA is going to do something in the near future,

Many of these factors came on the scene within the last 3-4 years. Next year with higher expectations attendance may increase, but it wouldn't surprise me if it declined.

 

[Mayoman]

Nothing wrong with my "comprehension" of the Law of Transitivity...

Pitino = Elvis

Elvis > U of L

Pitino > U of L

???

Given the time you posted this.....are you high?

This is one of your most disturbing posts...and that is really saying something IRT you.

No human being can ever be greater than an institution of higher learning....nor can any one coach. Get a grip!

 

[zipp]

I always love how fans of big time programs dismiss the importance of their coach(es) WRT those programs. And then they go out and pay millions for them.

You find out how important they are/were when you lose them. Jurich knew that. Our clowns now in charge and some of our fans? Not so much, and even in the face of six thousand empty seats on average.

Even the Hater Twins are smarter than that...