Why dont you talk to prosecutors or defense lawyers. They can tell you many of times of false allegations.Originally posted by Greenswole:
Kerry and CueCard, do you know anyone who has been raped or reported that they had been raped to the police? I know a couple girls that it happened to down at fourth street (different times), they went to the hospital directly afterwards, and the hospital deemed it forcible, indicating rape had occurred. It went to the detectives, evidence went to the prosecutor, and they would not pursue it. Why? It wasn't conclusive enough for them.
For the police and lawyers to get involved, and get involved as quickly as they did, that means it has to be pretty d*** conclusive. I highly doubt this is a case of targeting him just because he is a high profile person. So saying, he might be innocent... that is a VERY FAR stretch man. Two different girls identify him, and in one case there were 2 other guys involved who will likely sell him out to reduce their charges/sentences.
Now I do agree with the sentiment, Pitino didn't condone it, or try to protect him in any way once he/the University knew what was going on.
Well said Kerry.Originally posted by KerryRhodes:
First of all, they are allegations.
They have to be proven.
To anyway hint of Coach Pitino condoning this , or bringing in a 'known' rapist is f#@$+×g foolish and pathetic.
To the SuCkS fans who think this is a 'stain' on the program. You need to remember Lloyd Tubman.
Hell Chuck Hayes had a whisper campaign going on, against him about rape.
Everyone let the justice system play out. He might be innocent.
I agree with you about girls crying rape to save face, which is why prosecutors don't even approach many rape cases, like what I spoke about in my original post. Not only did they approach this case, but they got Jones in court in less than a week. So you're telling me two different girls have a vendetta against Chris, and one decided to throw him under the bus, but while she's at it, let's throw his 2 friends under the bus, too. I don't buy that.Originally posted by KerryRhodes:
Why dont you talk to prosecutors or defense lawyers. They can tell you many of times of false allegations.Originally posted by Greenswole:
Kerry and CueCard, do you know anyone who has been raped or reported that they had been raped to the police? I know a couple girls that it happened to down at fourth street (different times), they went to the hospital directly afterwards, and the hospital deemed it forcible, indicating rape had occurred. It went to the detectives, evidence went to the prosecutor, and they would not pursue it. Why? It wasn't conclusive enough for them.
For the police and lawyers to get involved, and get involved as quickly as they did, that means it has to be pretty d*** conclusive. I highly doubt this is a case of targeting him just because he is a high profile person. So saying, he might be innocent... that is a VERY FAR stretch man. Two different girls identify him, and in one case there were 2 other guys involved who will likely sell him out to reduce their charges/sentences.
Now I do agree with the sentiment, Pitino didn't condone it, or try to protect him in any way once he/the University knew what was going on.
Girls/Women who cheated and cried rape to save face.
Girls/Women who get drunk or high or have sex, then when they sober up, they cry rape.
Someone with a vendetta can cry rape.
Chris might be guilty. He also might be innocent. Why pass judgement before the verdict.
That's convenient. No way any of us can deem what you say is true but it works to support your point of view so it's OK. See how that works? It's easy to just say stuff behind the comfort of the keyboard. There's very little accountability to be concerned about.Originally posted by Greenswole:
Kerry and CueCard, do you know anyone who has been raped or reported that they had been raped to the police? I know a couple girls that it happened to down at fourth street (different times), they went to the hospital directly afterwards, and the hospital deemed it forcible, indicating rape had occurred. It went to the detectives, evidence went to the prosecutor, and they would not pursue it. Why? It wasn't conclusive enough for them.
For the police and lawyers to get involved, and get involved as quickly as they did, that means it has to be pretty d*** conclusive. I highly doubt this is a case of targeting him just because he is a high profile person. So saying, he might be innocent... that is a VERY FAR stretch man. Two different girls identify him, and in one case there were 2 other guys involved who will likely sell him out to reduce their charges/sentences.
Now I do agree with the sentiment, Pitino didn't condone it, or try to protect him in any way once he/the University knew what was going on.
You don't have to believe me, but I have no reason to lie to you. I lived it, I went through that with people who are very close to me. So tell me I'm wrong, but don't you accuse me of making up a story that affected people I know just to 'make a point' on some dumb a** message board.Originally posted by Cue Card:
That's convenient. No way any of us can deem what you say is true but it works to support your point of view so it's OK. See how that works? It's easy to just say stuff behind the comfort of the keyboard. There's very little accountability to be concerned about.Originally posted by Greenswole:
Kerry and CueCard, do you know anyone who has been raped or reported that they had been raped to the police? I know a couple girls that it happened to down at fourth street (different times), they went to the hospital directly afterwards, and the hospital deemed it forcible, indicating rape had occurred. It went to the detectives, evidence went to the prosecutor, and they would not pursue it. Why? It wasn't conclusive enough for them.
For the police and lawyers to get involved, and get involved as quickly as they did, that means it has to be pretty d*** conclusive. I highly doubt this is a case of targeting him just because he is a high profile person. So saying, he might be innocent... that is a VERY FAR stretch man. Two different girls identify him, and in one case there were 2 other guys involved who will likely sell him out to reduce their charges/sentences.
Now I do agree with the sentiment, Pitino didn't condone it, or try to protect him in any way once he/the University knew what was going on.
I'm done talking about this until he's found guilty of the crime IF he is. He's been charged so that means he will now have his day in court since he has already plead not guilty. Regardless of how this ends, his career at UofL is over. He's done with UofL so I'm done with him. I hope the girls who were involved are OK. That's ALL I'm going to say about this from this moment forward.
I didn't. I simply stated it was a convenient story that just happens to fit the agenda/point you were making. I don't know you. I only know what you wrote. You can't be held accountable for the validity of what you wrote which is a nice position to be in. I don't care enough about what you wrote to accuse you of anything.Originally posted by Greenswole:
You don't have to believe me, but I have no reason to lie to you. I lived it, I went through that with people who are very close to me. So tell me I'm wrong, but don't you accuse me of making up a story that affected people I know just to 'make a point' on some dumb a** message board.Originally posted by Cue Card:
That's convenient. No way any of us can deem what you say is true but it works to support your point of view so it's OK. See how that works? It's easy to just say stuff behind the comfort of the keyboard. There's very little accountability to be concerned about.Originally posted by Greenswole:
Kerry and CueCard, do you know anyone who has been raped or reported that they had been raped to the police? I know a couple girls that it happened to down at fourth street (different times), they went to the hospital directly afterwards, and the hospital deemed it forcible, indicating rape had occurred. It went to the detectives, evidence went to the prosecutor, and they would not pursue it. Why? It wasn't conclusive enough for them.
For the police and lawyers to get involved, and get involved as quickly as they did, that means it has to be pretty d*** conclusive. I highly doubt this is a case of targeting him just because he is a high profile person. So saying, he might be innocent... that is a VERY FAR stretch man. Two different girls identify him, and in one case there were 2 other guys involved who will likely sell him out to reduce their charges/sentences.
Now I do agree with the sentiment, Pitino didn't condone it, or try to protect him in any way once he/the University knew what was going on.
I'm done talking about this until he's found guilty of the crime IF he is. He's been charged so that means he will now have his day in court since he has already plead not guilty. Regardless of how this ends, his career at UofL is over. He's done with UofL so I'm done with him. I hope the girls who were involved are OK. That's ALL I'm going to say about this from this moment forward.
The Lloyd Tubman thing was weird from the get-go because it was his GF, wasn't it?Originally posted by KerryRhodes:
Im not saying anything about a vendetta. I gave you an example.
Whatever you want to believe is up to you.
Prosecutors have their own time limits, and discretion, to issue arrest warrants.
The Central park 4 were convicted, and years later exonerated. NONE of the 4 had raped the lady.
Holding out hope ? Its an allegation.
Just like i didnt declare Lloyd Tubman guilty, i wont do it now.
So, you stating that it's a convenient story, and saying I don't have to be held accountable for the validity is not you implying that it's potentially fabricated? You don't make sense. Apparently you do care enough about what I wrote, because you decided to quote it and make those implications.Originally posted by Cue Card:
I didn't. I simply stated it was a convenient story that just happens to fit the agenda/point you were making. I don't know you. I only know what you wrote. You can't be held accountable for the validity of what you wrote which is a nice position to be in. I don't care enough about what you wrote to accuse you of anything.
It is what it is. It's convenient.Originally posted by Greenswole:
So, you stating that it's a convenient story, and saying I don't have to be held accountable for the validity is not you implying that it's potentially fabricated? You don't make sense. Apparently you do care enough about what I wrote, because you decided to quote it and make those implications.Originally posted by Cue Card:
I didn't. I simply stated it was a convenient story that just happens to fit the agenda/point you were making. I don't know you. I only know what you wrote. You can't be held accountable for the validity of what you wrote which is a nice position to be in. I don't care enough about what you wrote to accuse you of anything.
You may be right but I'd hate to be on trial with you on the jury. Son of a bitch must be guilty or he wouldn't be here in court!Originally posted by Greenswole:
I just don't personally see a situation where he's innocent.
It's OK, He knows 2 girls (separate incidences) that were raped on 4th street, yet their rapists (same guy?) was never charged. He told us so.Originally posted by Louisvillian:
You may be right but I'd hate to be on trial with you on the jury. Son of a bitch must be guilty or he wouldn't be here in court!Originally posted by Greenswole:
I just don't personally see a situation where he's innocent.
Can we at least wait until there is an Indictment of Chris Jones by a Grand Jury?