Brando...

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

I think a lot of coaches could get this team to the NCAA so just getting there should not get Padgett the job.

Coach K, Izzo, the top shelf guys - well sure no doubt.

But it cannot be denied DP inherited a unique situation that wasn't a good one.

Had all the issues happened during the season the team could have pulled a Mike Davis/IU run.

But to have to take the team over the entire season with all the turmoil, it's just unprecedented.

I agree with having high standards, and I don't have a horse in the next coach race right now - but I do think Padgett deserves a little more respect than you're giving him at this time.

 

[BPGhost]

Reality is please name me 7 legitimate candidates not named Donovan, Cronin, Smart, Marshall, White, Mack or Hurley...
Reality is like someone else mentioned it’s easy to find a list of coaches who have already achieved something. But to be honest, our recent coaching hires, Walz, McDonnell were assistants before making them HCs here. You could also say that nobody gave Charlie an opportunity to be a HC except here.

First off - why are you eliminating those coaches from consideration? Why do I need to name anyone other than those coaches? Regardless, if you don't think that there are literally DOZENS of NCAA coaches who have more experience, more knowledge and, have achieved more than Padgett - I'm not sure what to tell you.

Second, your comparatives don't really bolster your argument in the slightest. Let's take them one at a time.

1. Walz was an assistant coach for 11 years in D1 women's basketball - the last six at Maryland as the top assistant where they averaged 23 wins and won the NCAA title in 2006.

2. McDonnell was an assistant coach in D1 baseball for 13 years - the last five at Ole as the top assistant and recruiting coordinator for a team that won an average of 40 games per season and had 5 NCAA appearances during that span.

3. Charlie Strong was an assistant coach 26 years in P5 D1 football - all of them at blue blood programs. He was part of national championships at Florida where he was the D-coordinator and was named Assistant HC as well as was the sole interim HC. That no one gave him an opportunity to be a full time HC says more about the league and area of the country where he spent his entire coaching career, than it does about his ability.

Padgett was an assistant coach at IUPUI for 3 years and was an on court assistant at UofL for 2 years. Hmmm... that doesn't seem to fit in with the others bona fides - does it?

The other thing that you are not accounting for in the comparison of at least Walz and McDonnell is that neither of those guys coach a revenue sport - meaning while it is also important to hire quality - the stakes go up exponentially when you are talking about football or basketball. With everything that has happened, it is imperative that UofL hire someone who can energize and bring the fan base back together, can recruit despite what will certainly be multi-year disadvantages and, has the experience and knowledge to compete for ACC / NCAA championships.

Is Padgett that guy? Or more bluntly - is Padgett a guy that UofL would have to settle for? I don't think so - at least not now and, at least not until other more qualified options have been exhausted. Having said that, I agree with other posters and definitely think that he has earned the right to legitimately interview for the position.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Coach K, Izzo, the top shelf guys - well sure no doubt.

But it cannot be denied DP inherited a unique situation that wasn't a good one.

Had all the issues happened during the season the team could have pulled a Mike Davis/IU run.

But to have to take the team over the entire season with all the turmoil, it's just unprecedented.

I agree with having high standards, and I don't have a horse in the next coach race right now - but I do think Padgett deserves a little more respect than you're giving him at this time.

You are reading me wrong. I think at this point Padgett deserves much praise for what he has done. But I am not going to pretend that he doesn't have top 10 talent to work with either. Only UK of the teams played so far is even in our league in terms of talent. It will be interesting to see how Padgett does against Coach K and Roy Williams.

 

[nccardfan]

You are reading me wrong. I think at this point Padgett deserves much praise for what he has done. But I am not going to pretend that he doesn't have top 10 talent to work with either. Only UK of the teams played so far is even in our league in terms of talent. It will be interesting to see how Padgett does against Coach K and Roy Williams.

He doesn’t have top 10 talent. We didn’t have it even when we thought Bowen was coming. We only have top 10 talent if we finish in top 10. In the last 3 years we have lost players before their eligibility was up, guys like Harrell, Onuaku, Rozier, Jaylen Johnson, and DM. Yeah we have Adel, but he wasn’t ready last year, King was virtually a bust last year, how many said we don’t have an inside presence and we needed Jaylen to be good this year? Having good players on your roster doesn’t automatically guarantee success.

 

[nccardfan]

First off - why are you eliminating those coaches from consideration? Why do I need to name anyone other than those coaches? Regardless, if you don't think that there are literally DOZENS of NCAA coaches who have more experience, more knowledge and, have achieved more than Padgett - I'm not sure what to tell you.

Second, your comparatives don't really bolster your argument in the slightest. Let's take them one at a time.

1. Walz was an assistant coach for 11 years in D1 women's basketball - the last six at Maryland as the top assistant where they averaged 23 wins and won the NCAA title in 2006.

2. McDonnell was an assistant coach in D1 baseball for 13 years - the last five at Ole as the top assistant and recruiting coordinator for a team that won an average of 40 games per season and had 5 NCAA appearances during that span.

3. Charlie Strong was an assistant coach 26 years in P5 D1 football - all of them at blue blood programs. He was part of national championships at Florida where he was the D-coordinator and was named Assistant HC as well as was the sole interim HC. That no one gave him an opportunity to be a full time HC says more about the league and area of the country where he spent his entire coaching career, than it does about his ability.

Padgett was an assistant coach at IUPUI for 3 years and was an on court assistant at UofL for 2 years. Hmmm... that doesn't seem to fit in with the others bona fides - does it?

The other thing that you are not accounting for in the comparison of at least Walz and McDonnell is that neither of those guys coach a revenue sport - meaning while it is also important to hire quality - the stakes go up exponentially when you are talking about football or basketball. With everything that has happened, it is imperative that UofL hire someone who can energize and bring the fan base back together, can recruit despite what will certainly be multi-year disadvantages and, has the experience and knowledge to compete for ACC / NCAA championships.

Is Padgett that guy? Or more bluntly - is Padgett a guy that UofL would have to settle for? I don't think so - at least not now and, at least not until other more qualified options have been exhausted. Having said that, I agree with other posters and definitely think that he has earned the right to legitimately interview for the position.

It’s your argument that doesn’t hold water. All those guys listed are coaches with HC experience, but you talked about guys who were all assistants. Being a revenue sport has nothing to do with it. The profession is still the same - coaching young student athletes and obviously the pay for these coaches has nothing to do with being a revenue sport or not.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

You are reading me wrong. I think at this point Padgett deserves much praise for what he has done. But I am not going to pretend that he doesn't have top 10 talent to work with either. Only UK of the teams played so far is even in our league in terms of talent. It will be interesting to see how Padgett does against Coach K and Roy Williams.

This roster doesn't have Top 10 talent.

He's got a physically limited SR PG that is a great kid with a nice shot, that was headed to Illinois prior to Pitino striking out with the other million PG's he tried to land. His other SR leader has developed no offensive game in 4 years and is a nice situational/change of pace role player that should be logging 10 minutes at a program like UofL - a one trick pony shot blocker that doesn't rebound. He's our one trick pony and I love him.

Ray is coming around, but he's not an elite talent, and it's his 3rd yr in the program - the light is coming on, but he's just not an elite player.

There are no lottery picks here, there may not be a 1st rounder on the roster. There's one 5 star player who has a long way to go.

I love all these guys but what makes them special isn't alleged Top 10 talent. He's got a lot of nice college players that can generate a good product when they are all locked in and on the same page.

This program was built to make Pitino and his system the stars. So that's not an easy situation for Padgett to take over - and we're not even scratching the surface on off the court issues.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

He doesn’t have top 10 talent. We didn’t have it even when we thought Bowen was coming. We only have top 10 talent if we finish in top 10. In the last 3 years we have lost players before their eligibility was up, guys like Harrell, Onuaku, Rozier, Jaylen Johnson, and DM. Yeah we have Adel, but he wasn’t ready last year, King was virtually a bust last year, how many said we don’t have an inside presence and we needed Jaylen to be good this year? Having good players on your roster doesn’t automatically guarantee success.

Name 10 teams that have more talent and experience.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Name 10 teams that have more talent and experience.

Adding experience is a goal post move Mike. You did not mention experience in the post I replied too.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Adding experience is a goal post move Mike. You did not mention experience in the post I replied too.

Earlier in the thread I specifically said Padgett inherited both talent and experience. Certainly the term talent can include experience. We don't need to argue semantics. In terms of talent including experience, are there 10 teams with more of it? To say that is not bashing David. Being a first year head coach is not easy.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Earlier in the thread I specifically said Padgett inherited both talent and experience. Certainly the term talent can include experience. We don't need to argue semantics. In terms of talent including experience, are there 10 teams with more of it? To say that is not bashing David. Being a first year head coach is not easy.

This is a very hair splitting debate. They were Preseason #16 - they were not Preseason Top 10. And they were obviously a tough team to project, and really remain that way.

I could make a list of 10 teams and we could argue the talent, it would be an argument that went nowhere.

Here's 10 from a talent perspective. Now you can tell me the top 2 guys for Alabama are FR and that trumps the fact that they are 5 star recruits, even though they are both more talented than anybody on the UofL roster.

Duke/UK/Mich St/AZ/UNC/Nova/Texas/Alabama/Kansas/UCLA

 

[nccardfan]

This is a very hair splitting debate. They were Preseason #16 - they were not Preseason Top 10. And they were obviously a tough team to project, and really remain that way.

I could make a list of 10 teams and we could argue the talent, it would be an argument that went nowhere.

Here's 10 from a talent perspective. Now you can tell me the top 2 guys for Alabama are FR and that trumps the fact that they are 5 star recruits, even though they are both more talented than anybody on the UofL roster.

Duke/UK/Mich St/AZ/UNC/Nova/Texas/Alabama/Kansas/UCLA

Not even mentioned is Wichita State, Seton Hall, USC and Minnesota who were all listed as teams in the top 10 as far as returning players.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

This is a very hair splitting debate. They were Preseason #16 - they were not Preseason Top 10. And they were obviously a tough team to project, and really remain that way.

I could make a list of 10 teams and we could argue the talent, it would be an argument that went nowhere.

Here's 10 from a talent perspective. Now you can tell me the top 2 guys for Alabama are FR and that trumps the fact that they are 5 star recruits, even though they are both more talented than anybody on the UofL roster.

Duke/UK/Mich St/AZ/UNC/Nova/Texas/Alabama/Kansas/UCLA

I agree. We can debate that question but that wasn't really the point. The point is does Padgett have enough talent on the team to give us some idea of his head coaching ability when the season is over. I think whether we have top 10 or top 15 talent, we have enough talent and experienced players to allow him to be successful this season. If we do not even make the tournament, I think that would be a bad sign.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

I agree. We can debate that question but that wasn't really the point. The point is does Padgett have enough talent on the team to give us some idea of his head coaching ability when the season is over. I think whether we have top 10 or top 15 talent, we have enough talent and experienced players to allow him to be successful this season. If we do not even make the tournament, I think that would be a bad sign.

I agree, I don't take much issue with anything you're saying, it just felt like you weren't being overly supportive of the guy when you stated any coach could win with the team - that's just not necessarily true a lot goes into winning, and winning on the road in the ACC ain't easy. Neither is winning at home. So far he's done alright, but I do think it's just way too early to evaluate him.

I think the experience angle is also over played here though. This team has won 1 post season game in the last two years. UofL has also done nothing in the ACC Tournament since joining. Snider was the default 5th option on the E8 team that had 4 options three years ago.

These guys haven't really played a big game in their entire careers. Ray, Adel, and King have had no defining moments in the post season. This is not that experienced of a team.

Padgett didn't get dealt a full house or four of a kind hand, but he didn't get dealt a fold either.

I do think the Cards could land an accomplished coach, but it would be great if Padgett gave the brass a tough decision.

 

[BPGhost]

It’s your argument that doesn’t hold water. All those guys listed are coaches with HC experience, but you talked about guys who were all assistants. Being a revenue sport has nothing to do with it. The profession is still the same - coaching young student athletes and obviously the pay for these coaches has nothing to do with being a revenue sport or not.

WTF are you talking about? What “guys who were assistants” did I mention other than the ones that you threw out there as comparisons to Padgett?

Sorry to burst the bubble that you live in but Yes Virginia, hiring winning coaches for basketball and football matters more than hiring winning ones coaches for non-revenue sports. In fact, hiring the wrong coach in one of those revenue sports can have big negative impacts on non-revenue sports.

I think McDonnell is the best college baseball coach in America and he is paid 1/8 of what Michigan pays harbaugh, 1/7 of what UofL paid pitino and, and 1/4 of what Petrino is paid. That should be your first (and last) clue needed to tell you that there’s a difference.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

I agree, I don't take much issue with anything you're saying, it just felt like you weren't being overly supportive of the guy when you stated any coach could win with the team - that's just not necessarily true a lot goes into winning, and winning on the road in the ACC ain't easy. Neither is winning at home. So far he's done alright, but I do think it's just way too early to evaluate him.

I think the experience angle is also over played here though. This team has won 1 post season game in the last two years. UofL has also done nothing in the ACC Tournament since joining. Snider was the default 5th option on the E8 team that had 4 options three years ago.

These guys haven't really played a big game in their entire careers. Ray, Adel, and King have had no defining moments in the post season. This is not that experienced of a team.

Padgett didn't get dealt a full house or four of a kind hand, but he didn't get dealt a fold either.

I do think the Cards could land an accomplished coach, but it would be great if Padgett gave the brass a tough decision.

The thing is, if Padgett wants the job, he has to do something special because if we have to go elsewhere to find a coach, it is not going to be someone with no record of accomplishment. I want the absolute best coach we can get that gives us a chance to compete for national titles. I want someone that can recruit better than Pitino. If that is Padgett so be it but he has to do something to earn it.

 

[nccardfan]

WTF are you talking about? What “guys who were assistants” did I mention other than the ones that you threw out there as comparisons to Padgett?

Sorry to burst the bubble that you live in but Yes Virginia, hiring winning coaches for basketball and football matters more than hiring winning ones coaches for non-revenue sports. In fact, hiring the wrong coach in one of those revenue sports can have big negative impacts on non-revenue sports.

I think McDonnell is the best college baseball coach in America and he is paid 1/8 of what Michigan pays harbaugh, 1/7 of what UofL paid pitino and, and 1/4 of what Petrino is paid. That should be your first (and last) clue needed to tell you that there’s a difference.

How is Mcdonnell paid in reference to other baseball coaches? How is Walz paid in comparison to other women coaches? That’s what is relevant.

 

[Senore2006]

Coach K, Izzo, the top shelf guys - well sure no doubt.

But it cannot be denied DP inherited a unique situation that wasn't a good one.

Had all the issues happened during the season the team could have pulled a Mike Davis/IU run.

But to have to take the team over the entire season with all the turmoil, it's just unprecedented.

I agree with having high standards, and I don't have a horse in the next coach race right now - but I do think Padgett deserves a little more respect than you're giving him at this time.

This poor thread is dying for some music.............here, these guys killed it at Bonaroo last year - I think they are the Ukraine version of the B-52's, lol.

 

[BPGhost]

How is Mcdonnell paid in reference to other baseball coaches? How is Walz paid in comparison to other women coaches? That’s what is relevant.

What does that have to do with my original point about there being dozens of candidates more qualified than Padgett to be the next basketball HC? Now you want to compare D1 baseball coaches’ salaries?

Lol - I can’t even see the goalposts any longer - you’ve moved them so much.

 

[nccardfan]

What does that have to do with my original point about there being dozens of candidates more qualified than Padgett to be the next basketball HC? Now you want to compare D1 baseball coaches’ salaries?

Lol - I can’t even see the goalposts any longer - you’ve moved them so much.

Let me set it straight for you. You want to hire current head coaches instead of CDP, but you used Walz, McDonnell and Strong as examples of great hires, but yet these guys were never HC’s until they came here and we gave asst coaches a chance to become a head coach. Does that clear it up for you?

 

[BPGhost]

Again - not meant as disrespect towards Padgett but the reality is - his credentials and experience put him about Candidate 6 or 7 in this discussion.

This was my original post on this thread.

Reality is please name me 7 legitimate candidates not named Donovan, Cronin, Smart, Marshall, White, Mack or Hurley...
Reality is like someone else mentioned it’s easy to find a list of coaches who have already achieved something. But to be honest, our recent coaching hires, Walz, McDonnell were assistants before making them HCs here. You could also say that nobody gave Charlie an opportunity to be a HC except here.

This was your response where you bring in JW, DMcD & CS. I responded with a lengthy post about why Padgett's asst. coach bona fides don't in any way measure up to those three but for brevity's sake, did not paste it here.

Let me set it straight for you. You want to hire current head coaches instead of CDP, but you used Walz, McDonnell and Strong as examples of great hires, but yet these guys were never HC’s until they came here and we gave asst coaches a chance to become a head coach. Does that clear it up for you?

Are you having a senior moment or, did someone hack your account?

Perhaps you should go back and re-read the thread and our posts - or just look at the ones that I've pasted above - so you can set yourself straight. My only mention of assistant coaches was in response to you throwing out Walz, McDonnell and Strong's names in a misguided attempt to compare their careers to Padgett's. In fact, other than mentioning that I think that UofL should swing for the fences and try to hire Donovan in a thread about a week ago, I've never mentioned ANY coach - HC or assistant - by name that I thought should be hired as the next coach.

 

[nccardfan]

This was my original post on this thread.


This was your response where you bring in JW, DMcD & CS. I responded with a lengthy post about why Padgett's asst. coach bona fides don't in any way measure up to those three but for brevity's sake, did not paste it here.



Are you having a senior moment or, did someone hack your account?

Perhaps you should go back and re-read the thread and our posts - or just look at the ones that I've pasted above - so you can set yourself straight. My only mention of assistant coaches was in response to you throwing out Walz, McDonnell and Strong's names in a misguided attempt to compare their careers to Padgett's. In fact, other than mentioning that I think that UofL should swing for the fences and try to hire Donovan in a thread about a week ago, I've never mentioned ANY coach - HC or assistant - by name that I thought should be hired as the next coach.

Then enlightened me. Instead of just saying CDP is 6th or 7th on some list. Name the other candidates who are not currently head coaches of either a NBA team or Power 5 team. Because as we have already established it’s easy to compare CDP’s resume with someone who is currently serving as a HC or has been a HC for a while.

 

[BPGhost]

Then enlightened me. Instead of just saying CDP is 6th or 7th on some list. Name the other candidates who are not currently head coaches of either a NBA team or Power 5 team. Because as we have already established it’s easy to compare CDP’s resume with someone who is currently serving as a HC or has been a HC for a while.

Not being a dick but, enlighten yourself. I was simply stating a position that Padgett was way down on the list of potential candidates for the permanent HC - not publishing a research paper. FWIW, it's for that exact reason - that assistant coach resumes don't match up with head coaches that I don't believe that UofL should be considering any assistants - except perhaps Padgett - in their search. Even still, it would be silly to suggest that Padgett's resume wouldn't pale in comparison to most longer term P5 or NBA assistants - though he might have the leg up on those people in this specific instance due to his familiarity with the roster and the administration.

 

[nccardfan]

Not being a dick but, enlighten yourself. I was simply stating a position that Padgett was way down on the list of potential candidates for the permanent HC - not publishing a research paper. FWIW, it's for that exact reason - that assistant coach resumes don't match up with head coaches that I don't believe that UofL should be considering any assistants - except perhaps Padgett - in their search. Even still, it would be silly to suggest that Padgett's resume wouldn't pale in comparison to most longer term P5 or NBA assistants - though he might have the leg up on those people in this specific instance due to his familiarity with the roster and the administration.

You sure have a long, backward way of saying the CDP should be considered for the job along with other candidates based on the relationship he has with current players and what he has been able to achieve under abnormal circumstances.

 

[BPGhost]

You sure have a long, backward way of saying the CDP should be considered for the job along with other candidates based on the relationship he has with current players and what he has been able to achieve under abnormal circumstances.

And you sure have perfected (at least in this thread) the art of being intentionally obtuse. At no point have I ever said that Padgett should not be considered - I have simply maintained that there are many more qualified candidates that should be interested in the job.

For someone who rails at Zipp on the reg, you sure have demonstrated about everything you accuse him of doing - and all in one thread.

 

[nccardfan]

Yep there are probably a hundred more that WANT the job and yet you still haven’t named those 6 or 7 candidates you would prefer.

 

[BPGhost]

Yep there are probably a hundred more that WANT the job and yet you still haven’t named those 6 or 7 candidates you would prefer.

Lol - so you want my list minus all of those names that you said I couldn’t list?

 

[nccardfan]

Yep, the many more qualified... oh and please don’t list Jay Wright. He’s kind of busy coaching the No. 1 ranked team in the country right now, even though I know he can’t wait to send his resume in.

 

[Cue Card]

My list starts and ends with David Padgett. He is young, invested in the program, and eager to learn and lead.

Sure he has shortcomings as a coach. What coach doesn't at 32 years old? I remember coach Crum schooling a young coach K in 1986 who was 38/39 then. Seems to have worked out OK for Duke since they decided to hire a 33 year old with minimal experience in 1980. Not saying coach Padgett is the next coach K, but he might be. We don't know.

It is a very unique situation that David has found himself in, and he's handled it with class and distinction. I'm all in for coach David Padgett and that is my final answer.

 

[nccardfan]

My list starts and ends with David Padgett. He is young, invested in the program, and eager to learn and lead.

Sure he has shortcomings as a coach. What coach doesn't at 32 years old? I remember coach Crum schooling a young coach K in 1986 who was 38/39 then. Seems to have worked out OK for Duke since they decided to hire a 33 year old with minimal experience in 1980. Not saying coach Padgett is the next coach K, but he might be. We don't know.

It is a very unique situation that David has found himself in, and he's handled it with class and distinction. I'm all in for coach David Padgett and that is my final answer.

I will go a step further. David knew he was in a no win situation. If he won, well it’s because of Pitino players. It ain’t that simple. All the adversity he’s had to face, fans saying he has no experience, can’t recruit, but yet he’s winning. Some fans wanted to say that players were unhappy but I’ve seen no evidence. CRP wasn’t above having those issues, Aaron, Wade, etc and a lot of others decided to move on.
I think he’s earned an opportunity to see if he can pull us through this shit storm. Either way, CDP will be a permanent HC, somewhere. Why not here at Louisville, where he played. Does he have other dream schools like other potential coaches? Does he have NBA aspirations? I sincerely doubt it. Hey if he doesn’t pan out, we can make the change then but he will always be remembered as the guy who was brought in after a HOF Coach was dismissed and the program mired in discord. If he’s willing to suffer through that, we ought to let him try but give him a real fighting chance.

 

[billoliver40]

Outsider looking in....
Young guy got a job he never expected, has some guys decommit on him, doesn't really know his bosses that well, but has you guys in second place, and your kids are seeming to enjoy learning as they go on the ride. CDP has a refreshing HONEST humility about him. As has been said.....no one is guaranteed to be HOF anywhere. And no one started at the very top of the mountain.
Looks to me like you guys have a solid coach with a promising future to get behind.

 

[BPGhost]

Yep, the many more qualified... oh and please don’t list Jay Wright. He’s kind of busy coaching the No. 1 ranked team in the country right now, even though I know he can’t wait to send his resume in.

Well, Jay Wright wouldn't be my first choice but, I'm sorry to not follow your directions (lol) but he absolutely would be on the list - despite the fact that he's "kind of busy...". The fact that he is coaching the #1 ranked team or, that Billy Donovan is coaching in the pros, should not be a determiner for UofL reaching out to those guys - or ANYONE - that they thought would be a homerun hire. You obviously are a small thinker to not understand that. "Those guys will certainly say 'no'" I can hear you thinking, and what if they do? UofL is no worse off than they were to begin with.

Secondly - let's look at what the University has to offer from a compensation perspective. Pitino was being paid 7M, so obviously there is plenty of money to offer a coach. Given the uncertainty facing us in the next few years, a multi-year deal will have to be offered - perhaps in the 6-8 year range. Jay Wright currently makes 2.75M at Villanova - you honestly think that he wouldn't seriously consider an 8 year contract at 6M annually? Billy D makes 4M a year - same question about him but also throw in the lack of job security that he faces as a pro coach as another determining factor.

When you look at thing from that (Jurich-like) type of perspective - there are relatively few coaches that would say "no" without giving the offer serious consideration. I'm sorry that you are selling what UofL offers so short that you feel that David Padgett should be handed the job because the team hasn't imploded.

 

[nccardfan]

Outsider looking in....
Young guy got a job he never expected, has some guys decommit on him, doesn't really know his bosses that well, but has you guys in second place, and your kids are seeming to enjoy learning as they go on the ride. CDP has a refreshing HONEST humility about him. As has been said.....no one is guaranteed to be HOF anywhere. And no one started at the very top of the mountain.
Looks to me like you guys have a solid coach with a promising future to get behind.

Not sure where your headed but for the record, I wouldn’t say anybody decommitted on him personally. He’s just not the guy they committed to BUT at least DP was on staff. Given what he’s been doing, if he is given at least one year or two as permanent, these guys could recommit to U of L.

I will agree with your last statement.

 

[nccardfan]

Well, Jay Wright wouldn't be my first choice but, I'm sorry to not follow your directions (lol) but he absolutely would be on the list - despite the fact that he's "kind of busy...". The fact that he is coaching the #1 ranked team or, that Billy Donovan is coaching in the pros, should not be a determiner for UofL reaching out to those guys - or ANYONE - that they thought would be a homerun hire. You obviously are a small thinker to not understand that. "Those guys will certainly say 'no'" I can hear you thinking, and what if they do? UofL is no worse off than they were to begin with.

Secondly - let's look at what the University has to offer from a compensation perspective. Pitino was being paid 7M, so obviously there is plenty of money to offer a coach. Given the uncertainty facing us in the next few years, a multi-year deal will have to be offered - perhaps in the 6-8 year range. Jay Wright currently makes 2.75M at Villanova - you honestly think that he wouldn't seriously consider an 8 year contract at 6M annually? Billy D makes 4M a year - same question about him but also throw in the lack of job security that he faces as a pro coach as another determining factor.

When you look at thing from that (Jurich-like) type of perspective - there are relatively few coaches that would say "no" without giving the offer serious consideration. I'm sorry that you are selling what UofL offers so short that you feel that David Padgett should be handed the job because the team hasn't imploded.

You must have your head in the sand, the Jurich type reasoning of throwing out money is exactly what this BOT wants to stop. What you are describing is a mercenary approach, just wave a bunch of money in front of them and they are bound to follow. I won’t argue they’re are good coaches, but you are going to have to pay to get them to come here.
I’m sure you don’t care but I don’t think Jay Wright wants to be the guy who said all his career that Villanova was the place for me and my family and then high tail it out because U of L or anybody else waved a lot of cash in front of them. I’m sure you’ll find guys like that.
And for the record, I’m not handing the reins over to Padgett, but at this point, when recruiting is going to be affected, he’s our best option for the short term.

 

[BPGhost]

You must have your head in the sand, the Jurich type reasoning of throwing out money is exactly what this BOT wants to stop. What you are describing is a mercenary approach, just wave a bunch of money in front of them and they are bound to follow. I won’t argue they’re are good coaches, but you are going to have to pay to get them to come here.
I’m sure you don’t care but I don’t think Jay Wright wants to be the guy who said all his career that Villanova was the place for me and my family and then high tail it out because U of L or anybody else waved a lot of cash in front of them. I’m sure you’ll find guys like that.
And for the record, I’m not handing the reins over to Padgett, but at this point, when recruiting is going to be affected, he’s our best option for the short term.

1. I didn’t say that the BOT would do it - I simply said that there are lots of outstanding coaches that would consider the job if they were offered money in the same ballpark as pitino.

2. At this point I would tend to agree with you regarding the way the BOT will approach the situation of the next contract but, time will tell. If they realize how the basketball program revenues and donations are crucial to funding lots of other things, they might see the wisdom in opening up the purse to obtain the right coach.

3. Why is offering a top flight coach, or any top flight professional for that matter, financial and other inducements to secure their services wrong? To suggest that there is something untoward about it or, that it doesn’t happen every single day of the week, is just plain goofy and naive. Its called capitalism.

4. If the scenario comes to pass and Wright sticks to his Philly roots - that’s his decision completely. I doubt that he’s ever been offered a contract like I described, just like I doubt that you have any idea what his answer would be. Did you ever in a million years think pitino would take the UofL job? I didn’t think so.

 

[nccardfan]

1. I didn’t say that the BOT would do it - I simply said that there are lots of outstanding coaches that would consider the job if they were offered money in the same ballpark as pitino.

2. At this point I would tend to agree with you regarding the way the BOT will approach the situation of the next contract but, time will tell. If they realize how the basketball program revenues and donations are crucial to funding lots of other things, they might see the wisdom in opening up the purse to obtain the right coach.

3. Why is offering a top flight coach, or any top flight professional for that matter, financial and other inducements to secure their services wrong? To suggest that there is something untoward about it or, that it doesn’t happen every single day of the week, is just plain goofy and naive. Its called capitalism.

4. If the scenario comes to pass and Wright sticks to his Philly roots - that’s his decision completely. I doubt that he’s ever been offered a contract like I described, just like I doubt that you have any idea what his answer would be. Did you ever in a million years think pitino would take the UofL job? I didn’t think so.

Haha. I guess you didn’t realize that Jay was offered the Kentucky job before Calipari. His famous quote at the time, “don’t want to live in a fish bowl”. Here he would be living under a microscope.
No, I didn’t expect Pitino. Actually never considered him because I dispised him. But the hire became logical. Why? First the money. 2nd, urban area. 3rd, Pitino made a lot of friends in Kentucky. 4th, Joanna gave her blessing.

 

[BPGhost]

Haha. I guess you didn’t realize that Jay was offered the Kentucky job before Calipari. His famous quote at the time, “don’t want to live in a fish bowl”. Here he would be living under a microscope.
No, I didn’t expect Pitino. Actually never considered him because I dispised him. But the hire became logical. Why? First the money. 2nd, urban area. 3rd, Pitino made a lot of friends in Kentucky. 4th, Joanna gave her blessing.

I knew that Wright was offered the uk job - I guess that you don’t realize that the yut job and the UofL job are completely different - which is a big reason that TJ was able to hire pitino.

Would there be more attention on Wright at UofL than villanova? Definitely the first year or so but there’s a reason why the program has had only two coaches 40+ years - it’s a great place to work, with great fans who put the game in the proper perspective, a place you can win titles and, get paid handsomely.

Conversely there’s a reason why the yuts have had what - 7 coaches in that span. Because it is an effing fishbowl. You diminish yourself with the comparison.

 

[nccardfan]

I knew that Wright was offered the uk job - I guess that you don’t realize that the yut job and the UofL job are completely different - which is a big reason that TJ was able to hire pitino.

Would there be more attention on Wright at UofL than villanova? Definitely the first year or so but there’s a reason why the program has had only two coaches 40+ years - it’s a great place to work, with great fans who put the game in the proper perspective, a place you can win titles and, get paid handsomely.

Conversely there’s a reason why the yuts have had what - 7 coaches in that span. Because it is an effing fishbowl. You diminish yourself with the comparison.

Look i think I respond to your comments and posts as least civil like. You always have to add some statement like “you diminish yourself” people that have to add a statement like that in every post think that proves their point. It only proves that you have low self esteem and need to dish others to feel better.

 

[BPGhost]

Look i think I respond to your comments and posts as least civil like. You always have to add some statement like “you diminish yourself” people that have to add a statement like that in every post think that proves their point. It only proves that you have low self esteem and need to dish others to feel better.

I'll agree that you're not a name-caller but language like "long, backward way of saying", "let me set it straight for you", etc, etc, etc - display your penchant for low-key condescension with posters who's opinions you disagree with. If that is civility - then it is so, at its most passive / aggressive form. You'll notice that I didn't include anything about you as a person outside of this board - as I don't know you and don't presume to know how you treat people, conduct your life or your level of "self-esteem".

This entire encounter began because you seemed to take offense to my assertion that Padgett is not as qualified to be the HC as a significant number of other college coaches, responded in a dickish manner to which, I responded in kind. I've got no problem with you but, maybe consider that next time you decide to reply to one of my posts like that.

 

[nccardfan]

All right, he said, she said, time to put it to bed until the next time...

 

[ShortCreek]

Watching Purdue-Illinois, reminded me of Tim “The Moron” Brando touting David Padgett as our full time head coach. How do these guys luck into these spots. My, how a month changes things!