It looks like it is not our day nobody hitting their shots except for CC and now it looks like she is cooling off.
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Yep. They just are flat out cold. Credit VT for some of that. Their just a better team
Defense wins games, but the shooting exhibition that VT is delivering is undeniably impressive. Conversely, we have missed so many easy shots that we make it impossible to gain the advantage.
Must confess, this VT is the best team in a very excellent ACC. Sure love our effort though.
Must confess, this VT is the best team in a very excellent ACC. Sure love our effort though.
I think Tech was the better team today we played better against them at their place than we are today. We just missed shots from everyone except CC. I don’t think Harris or Jones scored at all and Dixon and Kasa maybe scored 2 points. HVL had a bad game and scored way below her average. Tech only had 2 players doing all the scoring.
I think HVL lost her legs a little bit with the 3 games in 3 days. With all of the cutting and driving to the basket she does in a ballgame, she really expends a lot of energy.
That could be. But, she has to realize this. She took many, unnecessary forced shots today. Still, they hung in there. VT just made shots - period. They are very good.
My thoughts:
HVL took a lot of extremely difficult shots. She did use her screens properly...
We missed a lot of shots.. with all things considering the 38 shots taken by Car and HVL.
Also, I really feel like CJW should have adjusted and ran more ISO's for HVL...
Our bigs were Serviceable....and did their job...
Refs called a A TON of Fouls on us... at bad times...
VT really controlled the game and honestly, it felt like how we used to lose to Notre Dame all of those years in the Big East and ACC... They didn't dominate us... but controlled us.
I hate Amour... but I also respect her. Shes very spunky... and she dominates the game more so than the littler guard for NC State last year... these little 5'6" guards make shots when they are not supposed to... and it ticks me off greatly... She was literally the best guard on the floor...
Felt Sorry for Kasa... really feel like she needed to take more shots...
The killer quarter for us was the 2nd quarter. We got open shots and layups... we just missed...
One thing I watch is how players shoot. CC creates a rhythm for her self... with crossover and then shoot. I watched several of the VT players do the same (Amour, Kitley, Sole, and Taylor). Kitley just literally does a dribble and shoot or dribble and turn... and then they make them. HVL... she is VERY disjointed... She really NEEDS to do something to establish a rhythmm, but she doesnt. She puts too much confidence in her "take 1 dribble and shoot" motion, because its like she is trying to find her mark... If she finds it, like she did in game 1 of the tournament... then shes deadly. But think about it... How often has she found that mark in the last 10 games... not often.. because, GUESS WHAT? Anyy coach, who is worth his salt in coaching would teach his players to fight the screen and get a hand in her face or in her lap, to get in her "kitchen" to disrupt that. This means she is BARELY aiming at the rim when she shots that shot, because she has been disrupted.
Even Cochran with her fades creates her own space and rhythm.
So because she is disrupted, and doesn't use her screens properlyt, ORRRR, she ran her screens into Kittley,m what we saw was, with HVL, was that she would get the ball dribble against her own screen, dribble around, probing... screwing around (much like Ellis on the men's team) and then would take exceedingly terribly difficult shots.. that were almost nowhere near the mark, with the expectation that that refs would bail her out...
It makes for bad offense. Seriously bad offense.
In contrast, you have a player like Konno... who was open or made space for herself on the elbow gaps, but refused to shoot. And because She does not shoot enough it creates issues because that cowardly way of playing basketball makes her easy to guard.. She comes in and takes 2 or 3 dribbles and her reaction is as if she doesn't have ANY confidence, in her shot or ball handling... or her own athleticism.. despite being tall and long enough to affect the game... it sucks... she passes the ball up and wastes time on the floor.
But HER polar opposite is Jones... a player who does not mesh well on defense or offense... which is why she and CC frustrate Jeff sooo much. We got an ALL ACC player on defense and offense in Jones... but its because she does a lot of free wheeling on her own, on both sides of the floor. She is not a good passer... and she gets lost in zones and man to man... make her the focal point of the offense, or grant her a green light on offense and the ability to roam the floor on defense she becomes almost like an elite player. But the caveat is that you need good length and athleticm to cover up for her mistakes on both ends of the floor... Jeff plays her... but has to pull her after a while because of he lack of cocentration and instincts. She looks all ACC as long as everything you do is fast break and helter skelter in the half court on both sides of the ball.
CC is about the same... its just she is trapped in a small body. She is Russ Smith re-incarnated... without the paint game. Her offense is based off of jukes and her creating just enough space to pull the trigger. She at least follows some of CJW's defensive game plan. On offense... mannn, she hunts her shot... and does not know how to create for others... which, Jeff finally gave up on trying to make her a PG.Put some length on her and she struggles like HVL... on defense...
She also, like the others can be lulled to sleep on step back 3's and in the lane curl jumpers. This is something that coaches fail to teach at times... is making sure, like VT did to HVL today, to disrupt a scorers rhythm. Its very FRUSTRATING to watch a player like Amour, Kittley, Sole, or Taylor hit step back jumpers. You could HEAR the crowd chanting the count down on the shot clock. Which meant, ANY one who is ANYONE should know the shot was coming... At that point you had some choices... GET IN THAT GUARDS KITCHEN... don't let them process and then get into a shooting rhythm to take a step-back 3-pointers... IT SUCKS... Amour is VERY fast... but shucks face her up, make her dribble through YOU on screens... not around you... which means Jumping in front her her... but certainly don't play under the screen... step in... and the big who is guarding her NEEDED to step through also... It just seemed like we lost her on a lot of screens and PNR's... but then again... her genius is that she made floaters... something HVL.. did not do in this game... most of HER shots were fading away or to the side...
Tough game to lose... and, as I noted before.. depending on our seeding... probably a 5th seed... who won't make it past 2nd round or Sweet 16... Girls did focus, in this tournament, more so than I have seen them do all season long. The last 12 games with Kasa as starting PG... we have been a top 25, top 15 team...
Jeff just needed to draw up some double elevators for his shooters, OR he just needed to draw up some ISO's to get HVL screened into Amour, or by her self against Taylor. INstead , HVL would get the ball, pause and then dribble so much the clock would wind down and she would take crazy hard shots... hoping to get the foul call.
I will say this... we didn't lose focus and have a lot of the dumb turnovers we have had all season long... You know, the spates where we would just turn the ball over, during crucial periods... in BUNCHES... HVL had a bad one.. but again... this is because VT scouted her really good. So by vthe middle of the 2 quarter, you had HVL "Flinching" and not taking the open shots... because she was expecting someone to block her shot... which almost never happened.
1 other small observation... VT is a good team... but I really don't think they get past the Sweet 16 or Elite 8. Kittley is basically a billboard on the floor. 6'6" she just has to stand tall.. and she doesn't have as many post moves as Kuhnane had last year..,, for NC State. As whole, the team has skill and can shootm but they don't have a lot of athleticism. Call me a hater... but I just aint sold on them yet.
HVL took a lot of extremely difficult shots. She did use her screens properly...
We missed a lot of shots.. with all things considering the 38 shots taken by Car and HVL.
Also, I really feel like CJW should have adjusted and ran more ISO's for HVL...
Our bigs were Serviceable....and did their job...
Refs called a A TON of Fouls on us... at bad times...
VT really controlled the game and honestly, it felt like how we used to lose to Notre Dame all of those years in the Big East and ACC... They didn't dominate us... but controlled us.
I hate Amour... but I also respect her. Shes very spunky... and she dominates the game more so than the littler guard for NC State last year... these little 5'6" guards make shots when they are not supposed to... and it ticks me off greatly... She was literally the best guard on the floor...
Felt Sorry for Kasa... really feel like she needed to take more shots...
The killer quarter for us was the 2nd quarter. We got open shots and layups... we just missed...
One thing I watch is how players shoot. CC creates a rhythm for her self... with crossover and then shoot. I watched several of the VT players do the same (Amour, Kitley, Sole, and Taylor). Kitley just literally does a dribble and shoot or dribble and turn... and then they make them. HVL... she is VERY disjointed... She really NEEDS to do something to establish a rhythmm, but she doesnt. She puts too much confidence in her "take 1 dribble and shoot" motion, because its like she is trying to find her mark... If she finds it, like she did in game 1 of the tournament... then shes deadly. But think about it... How often has she found that mark in the last 10 games... not often.. because, GUESS WHAT? Anyy coach, who is worth his salt in coaching would teach his players to fight the screen and get a hand in her face or in her lap, to get in her "kitchen" to disrupt that. This means she is BARELY aiming at the rim when she shots that shot, because she has been disrupted.
Even Cochran with her fades creates her own space and rhythm.
So because she is disrupted, and doesn't use her screens properlyt, ORRRR, she ran her screens into Kittley,m what we saw was, with HVL, was that she would get the ball dribble against her own screen, dribble around, probing... screwing around (much like Ellis on the men's team) and then would take exceedingly terribly difficult shots.. that were almost nowhere near the mark, with the expectation that that refs would bail her out...
It makes for bad offense. Seriously bad offense.
In contrast, you have a player like Konno... who was open or made space for herself on the elbow gaps, but refused to shoot. And because She does not shoot enough it creates issues because that cowardly way of playing basketball makes her easy to guard.. She comes in and takes 2 or 3 dribbles and her reaction is as if she doesn't have ANY confidence, in her shot or ball handling... or her own athleticism.. despite being tall and long enough to affect the game... it sucks... she passes the ball up and wastes time on the floor.
But HER polar opposite is Jones... a player who does not mesh well on defense or offense... which is why she and CC frustrate Jeff sooo much. We got an ALL ACC player on defense and offense in Jones... but its because she does a lot of free wheeling on her own, on both sides of the floor. She is not a good passer... and she gets lost in zones and man to man... make her the focal point of the offense, or grant her a green light on offense and the ability to roam the floor on defense she becomes almost like an elite player. But the caveat is that you need good length and athleticm to cover up for her mistakes on both ends of the floor... Jeff plays her... but has to pull her after a while because of he lack of cocentration and instincts. She looks all ACC as long as everything you do is fast break and helter skelter in the half court on both sides of the ball.
CC is about the same... its just she is trapped in a small body. She is Russ Smith re-incarnated... without the paint game. Her offense is based off of jukes and her creating just enough space to pull the trigger. She at least follows some of CJW's defensive game plan. On offense... mannn, she hunts her shot... and does not know how to create for others... which, Jeff finally gave up on trying to make her a PG.Put some length on her and she struggles like HVL... on defense...
She also, like the others can be lulled to sleep on step back 3's and in the lane curl jumpers. This is something that coaches fail to teach at times... is making sure, like VT did to HVL today, to disrupt a scorers rhythm. Its very FRUSTRATING to watch a player like Amour, Kittley, Sole, or Taylor hit step back jumpers. You could HEAR the crowd chanting the count down on the shot clock. Which meant, ANY one who is ANYONE should know the shot was coming... At that point you had some choices... GET IN THAT GUARDS KITCHEN... don't let them process and then get into a shooting rhythm to take a step-back 3-pointers... IT SUCKS... Amour is VERY fast... but shucks face her up, make her dribble through YOU on screens... not around you... which means Jumping in front her her... but certainly don't play under the screen... step in... and the big who is guarding her NEEDED to step through also... It just seemed like we lost her on a lot of screens and PNR's... but then again... her genius is that she made floaters... something HVL.. did not do in this game... most of HER shots were fading away or to the side...
Tough game to lose... and, as I noted before.. depending on our seeding... probably a 5th seed... who won't make it past 2nd round or Sweet 16... Girls did focus, in this tournament, more so than I have seen them do all season long. The last 12 games with Kasa as starting PG... we have been a top 25, top 15 team...
Jeff just needed to draw up some double elevators for his shooters, OR he just needed to draw up some ISO's to get HVL screened into Amour, or by her self against Taylor. INstead , HVL would get the ball, pause and then dribble so much the clock would wind down and she would take crazy hard shots... hoping to get the foul call.
I will say this... we didn't lose focus and have a lot of the dumb turnovers we have had all season long... You know, the spates where we would just turn the ball over, during crucial periods... in BUNCHES... HVL had a bad one.. but again... this is because VT scouted her really good. So by vthe middle of the 2 quarter, you had HVL "Flinching" and not taking the open shots... because she was expecting someone to block her shot... which almost never happened.
1 other small observation... VT is a good team... but I really don't think they get past the Sweet 16 or Elite 8. Kittley is basically a billboard on the floor. 6'6" she just has to stand tall.. and she doesn't have as many post moves as Kuhnane had last year..,, for NC State. As whole, the team has skill and can shootm but they don't have a lot of athleticism. Call me a hater... but I just aint sold on them yet.
I think some of those difficult shots were taken underneath or in traffic and she thought she could draw a foul and just threw it up. She thought she would get the call and go to the foul line but it didn’t happen.
In fairness to HVL many of those forced shots were as the time clock was running out. Cochrane and Dixon gave us nothing inside.
Perhaps the game plan was for VT to make someone else besides HVL to beat them. CC did a good job but as a whole the rest did not. I think Jones is the one person who talent wise could take over a game and probably why she was brought here, but she looks like a fish out of water in Jeff's offense.
In his offense and his defense.
I know I expected her to be a replacement for EE, just more offensively minded. I was so soooo wrong. EE, because she was elite athleticism and had elite instincts... was allowed to move around and could guard every spot on the floor at 6'1". She was also a very willing passer down in the post and on the wings... to where she was a legit Point Forward. she could lead the fast break... and score... and she would pop out for timely 3's. I remember her watching and anticipating, on defense, at the top of the key, where the ball was going... and she would get the steal. I also remember watching Jones last year at FSU. She hunted her shot a LOT. She did not exihibit a lot of team concepts. Her job was to score, or guard 1 on 1, her man. She would get steals off of weakside help. Walz wants players 1-3 sometimes 1-4 to drive the ball and handle the ball.. When I watched a game she played in last year, against NC State. She would get the ball, take a cross-over rhythm dribble and shoot a jumper. She had some fast breaks... but her offensive game was sort of 1 dimensional at times... I don't know what happened to her defensively... I think she has done alright... but on offense... she looks lost.. and so she has to come out of the game.
here is a late season game against NC State last year. As you can see... she came out midway through 1st quarter....
I think we all share in our disappointment with Morgan Jones' inability to perform up to expectations. She has been up and down, but mostly down. Interestingly, I thought her defensive intensity against WF was exceptional, and I had expected more of that against VT ..... but it did not happen.
I really do not believe we are quite through yet as we enter the tournament as a likely 5 seed; losing to VT was the third game in as many days for us, and I suspect that contributed to our poor shooting performance. No coincidence that CC was the one shooting so well, as she had limited minutes against ND based on CJW concerns with the Irish height. We are about to see if the ACC was really that good, or just well-balanced.
I really do not believe we are quite through yet as we enter the tournament as a likely 5 seed; losing to VT was the third game in as many days for us, and I suspect that contributed to our poor shooting performance. No coincidence that CC was the one shooting so well, as she had limited minutes against ND based on CJW concerns with the Irish height. We are about to see if the ACC was really that good, or just well-balanced.
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