2020 Early recruiting rankings very interesting

[REDFISTFURY3]

Kentucky currently holds the No. 1 spot in the team recruiting rankings on 247Sports, followed by Duke at No. 2, Virginia at No. 3, Baylor at No. 4, and Xavier at No. 5.

To say this Ncaa crap hanging over our heads is not punishment enough is ridiculous. The more this goes on the more i really despise Rick. And i was always enamored with his coaching however not his recruiting though.

 

[REDFISTFURY3]

After the commitment, Cooper told Jason Jordan of USA Today that he would be recruiting several familiar names to join him at Auburn.

“I’m a big time recruiter now,” Cooper said. “I am going after Jalen Green, Jaemyn Brakefield, Greg Brown and Cliff Omoruyi. I want them all.”

Brakefield the U of L target.

 

[Kratz]

We have a legitimate top 5 team this year. Live up to expectations and recruiting will take care of itself with Mack at the helm. Just landed the top JUCO over servera teams, including UK.

 

[zipp]

Pitino's recruiting classes here were highly ranked consistently.

That said, blue chip kids are the biggest risk in pay for play. I have no problem with Mack recruiting BELOW that level...

 

[Thecycle27]

This staff can recruit that is the last thing I am worried about. The NCAA hanging over the program is the issue. Once that gets cleared up the impactful negative recruiting will go away.

This is a really weird year recruiting wise. Most are projecting another post season band if that happens then it will be tough to get any kid to stay committed.

 

[Cue Card]

The state of California's Governor just signed a law which gives NCAA athletes the right to get paid. This is going to get real interesting real soon.

 

[zipp]

The state of California's Governor just signed a law which gives NCAA athletes the right to get paid. This is going to get real interesting real soon.

And he just waived the opportunity for his state's universities to participate in NCAA postseasons...

 

[KozmasAgain]

I agree Zipp they can get paid but what league will they play in. If they want to participate in the NCAA they have to play by the NCAA rules.

 

[BPGhost]

I agree Zipp they can get paid but what league will they play in. If they want to participate in the NCAA they have to play by the NCAA rules.

The ncaa is on its way out and it can’t happen a second too soon.

They suck.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I don’t like the NCAA myself but we need some type of rules and regulations. We don’t want it to become lawless like some of our cities are. Like I have said before if these athletes don’t think tuition, room & board, books & supplies aren’t enough payment they have another alternative.
They can get all the parents together and chip in all their money and build their own 300 million dollar stadium. They can also pay for the coaches salaries, equipment, insurance, medical, uniforms, etc.

 

[BPGhost]

I don’t like the NCAA myself but we need some type of rules and regulations. We don’t want it to become lawless like some of our cities are. Like I have said before if these athletes don’t think tuition, room & board, books & supplies aren’t enough payment they have another alternative.
They can get all the parents together and chip in all their money and build their own 300 million dollar stadium. They can also pay for the coaches salaries, equipment, insurance, medical, uniforms, etc.

1. The ncaa doesn’t pay for / provide any of those things you’ve mentioned regarding benefits.
2. There wouldn’t be no entity - it would just be comprised of the school’s controlling it and not the ncaa.
3. Which cities - in the US I trust you mean - don’t have laws?

 

[KozmasAgain]

The NCAA doesn’t provide those benefits to the students but the universities do. If these students want to play in the NCAA then they have to abide by their rules and so does the University. I don’t feel for these poor athletes who are getting everything paid for. Like I said if they think they are getting screwed they can build their own stadiums and charge what they want.
If I was a University and the athletes were getting endorsements I would charge the athlete rental fees. As of right now the PAC 12 schools outside of California are upset by this development. Unfortunately for the ones who support this not everyone agrees with it.
In regards to the cities I refer to as lawless I am referring to the cities that only enforce the laws they like but not all the laws on the books. Chicago, Portland, Memphis, New York and every sanctuary city.

 

[Slam2121]

And he just waived the opportunity for his state's universities to participate in NCAA postseasons...

Kentucky and Pennsylvania are now following suit with laws being drafted to coincide with Cali. UL and UK along with all others are about to have their rights waived too.

 

[BPGhost]

The NCAA doesn’t provide those benefits to the students but the universities do. If these students want to play in the NCAA then they have to abide by their rules and so does the University. I don’t feel for these poor athletes who are getting everything paid for. Like I said if they think they are getting screwed they can build their own stadiums and charge what they want.
If I was a University and the athletes were getting endorsements I would charge the athlete rental fees. As of right now the PAC 12 schools outside of California are upset by this development. Unfortunately for the ones who support this not everyone agrees with it.
In regards to the cities I refer to as lawless I am referring to the cities that only enforce the laws they like but not all the laws on the books. Chicago, Portland, Memphis, New York and every sanctuary city.

That’s where I’m going with this. The ncaa - which routinely does not have its member institution’s - or the student athletes that attend institutions - best interests at heart, will be replaced by the universities themselves.

If sanctuary cities are defined by lawlessness, then DC - and specifically 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is the capital of the sanctuary city universe.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I am no fan of the NCAA I think they are biased and do selective enforcement. However I don’t think the athletes are mistreated and taken advantage of. Blame the ones who run those cities the Mayors.

 

[BPGhost]

I am no fan of the NCAA I think they are biased and do selective enforcement. However I don’t think the athletes are mistreated and taken advantage of. Blame the ones who run those cities the Mayors.

The question is whether athletes are FAIRLY compensated for their work. Study after study has shown that dividing the scholarship money received by hours required, results in a compensation that is far less than the minimum wage. Regular students get paid at least $7.25 per hour for any work they do on campus irrespective of any scholarship money they receive.

 

[KozmasAgain]

Regular students are heavily in debt when they finish college and it takes years for them to pay it off. Athletes aren’t in debt and they only focus on academics and learning the playbook.

 

[BPGhost]

Regular students are heavily in debt when they finish college and it takes years for them to pay it off. Athletes aren’t in debt and they only focus on academics and learning the playbook.

Not all students are heavily in debt and, not all athletes get full ride scholarships.

 

[BPGhost]

Regular students are heavily in debt when they finish college and it takes years for them to pay it off. Athletes aren’t in debt and they only focus on academics and learning the playbook.

Also it’s important to note that the law passed in California isn’t a “pay for play” system, it simply allows college athletes to make a profit off of their likeness - just as the ncaa and universities do currently. .

Student athletes now may seek compensation for use of their names, images and likenesses. It also gives college athletes the right to hire agents and other representatives to assist them in negotiating and securing commercial opportunities.

How do you justify restricting someone the ability to make money off of their likeness in a capitalist society? Sounds like socialism to me.

 

[KozmasAgain]

It doesn’t sound like socialism at all to me. Like I said if the athlete doesn’t like the situation he can build his own stadium and display his talents there. They should consider themselves lucky that the universities have invested so much money to help them advance their talents into a lucrative career. I think if they are able to make money off their image at the universities expense then they should help pay for all the equipment and pay rent for the use of the stadium.

 

[BPGhost]

It doesn’t sound like socialism at all to me. Like I said if the athlete doesn’t like the situation he can build his own stadium and display his talents there. They should consider themselves lucky that the universities have invested so much money to help them advance their talents into a lucrative career. I think if they are able to make money off their image at the universities expense then they should help pay for all the equipment and pay rent for the use of the stadium.

Arguably the university built those very stadiums by profiting from the free work provided by those athletes and their names, images and likenesses - and by soliciting donations. The equipment of which you speak - at least in large part - is typically provided by apparel companies as part of endorsement / sponsorship agreements. You act like the universities are running some sort of charity by providing all this help out of the goodness of their hearts - lol. They do it for the benefit of the university - not the student athlete - let's at least get that straight.

Lastly, even for the D1 athlete that is on a full scholarship, the whole notion that the university is committing tens of thousands of dollars to them is ludicrous, as the cost of tuition an inflated joke and not in any way, shape or form, representative of the cost to the university to provide it.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I think the athletes who feel cheated should part ways with the universities and go their own way. That way they can have the satisfaction of building something on their own and not worry about getting used. I am sure the universities would survive without them.

 

[BPGhost]

I think the athletes who feel cheated should part ways with the universities and go their own way. That way they can have the satisfaction of building something on their own and not worry about getting used. I am sure the universities would survive without them.

Or perhaps they should stick around and try and make the system that they participate in, and are necessary for, improve.

Wouldn’t that be the better way to handle it?

 

[KozmasAgain]

This is something that could snow ball if you are going to build a stadium or arena for student athletes to advance themselves. Why shouldn’t they build art galleries, accounting firms, engineering firms, etc., to advance the regular student body?

 

[Steelers2012]

Also it’s important to note that the law passed in California isn’t a “pay for play” system, it simply allows college athletes to make a profit off of their likeness - just as the ncaa and universities do currently. .

Student athletes now may seek compensation for use of their names, images and likenesses. It also gives college athletes the right to hire agents and other representatives to assist them in negotiating and securing commercial opportunities.

How do you justify restricting someone the ability to make money off of their likeness in a capitalist society? Sounds like socialism to me.

I think this is a key distinction many aren't understanding. It isn't allowing the universities to pay the players (beyond the current college "stipend" program) to participate in their athletic programs. It simply removes the restrictions NCAA athletes currently have that prevent the individuals from using their name, image, likeness, or persona to earn income like any other human being. It's allowing the athlete to be an entrepreneur, if he or she has that ability or opportunity.

 

[KozmasAgain]

But the university is providing them the facilities to advance their careers. If they do it for the athletes they should do it for the whole student body and start building facilities to advance them.

 

[Steelers2012]

This is something that could snow ball if you are going to build a stadium or arena for student athletes to advance themselves. Why shouldn’t they build art galleries, accounting firms, engineering firms, etc., to advance the regular student body?

If ANY of those arts or sciences COULD attract the kind of money that sports does for it's attendance and viewership, they WOULD be able to build those kind of structures for their particular field. It's cause and effect; the only reason universities can and do build stadiums and arenas is because they receive money from fans and viewers/sponsors. Without the fans/sponsor/TV moneys, you could probably watch a UofL game for free at old Crawford gym. Simply put, the athletic programs earn the money to support these programs; the arts and sciences do not.

 

[Steelers2012]

But the university is providing them the facilities to advance their careers. If they do it for the athletes they should do it for the whole student body and start building facilities to advance them.

All things being equal, you would be correct; all students should have the same support. But things are not equal, the athletic programs (I should stipulate, the major athletic programs who turn a profit) are money makers for the university. Those stadiums and arenas aren't built for the scholarship players, they are built for the paying customers and sponsors. It is highly beneficial to the university to feed/fund those programs that make money for the university. You have to invest money to make money. Just as an aside, universities "$upport" other programs with as well. Each field at most major universities have "facilities" of their own, in terms of buildings, classrooms, labs, and technology. Additionally, they also "recruit" scholarship students, try to attract and pay the top professors, and compete for grants and funding. Bottom line, athletes are absolutely not the only scholarship students who are provided free access to an infrastructure to advance their careers. But, they may be the only ones who, as it stands, can't earn any income from their field of endeavour while they are in school.

 

[KozmasAgain]

According to your opinion then maybe we should do away with all women’s sports because they don’t bring in the same amount of money.

 

[KozmasAgain]

But they are not creating a platform for the other students to get recognized like they are in sports. The main purpose at all universities is not athletics it is academics. I think the athletes are already taken better care of than the rest of the student body.

 

[Steelers2012]

According to your opinion then maybe we should do away with all women’s sports because they don’t bring in the same amount of money.

I haven’t expressed the opinion of doing away with any sports. Just giving my opinion on why I believe one field gets more money spent on it than another.

 

[Steelers2012]

But they are not creating a platform for the other students to get recognized like they are in sports. The main purpose at all universities is not athletics it is academics. I think the athletes are already taken better care of than the rest of the student body.

Agreed. They ARE taken better care of than the rest of the students....because their field generates more revenue, therefore more revenue is available to reinvest in the program, which hopefully, creates a greater return on investment. I’m sure you’ve heard the term “arms race” in regards to big time athletic facilities. Again, it takes money to make money. One could ask for a an equal distribution of all revenue generated from all university sources be equally distributed to all fields of education...but then, the money making athletic programs would fall behind (arms race) their competitors and lose the edge needed to attract the elite athletes and field competitive teams that will continue to attract the fan, sponsor and viewership streams of revenue.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I am just playing devils advocate on the subject but I truly think the athletes are more than compensated already. I think this is going to snowball and this will be a rich get richer situation.

 

[BPGhost]

This is something that could snow ball if you are going to build a stadium or arena for student athletes to advance themselves. Why shouldn’t they build art galleries, accounting firms, engineering firms, etc., to advance the regular student body?

The minute they could sell tickets to fans for that they would.

 

[zipp]

Kentucky and Pennsylvania are now following suit with laws being drafted to coincide with Cali. UL and UK along with all others are about to have their rights waived too.

Kentucky has drafted legislation for legalized gambling too. How has that progressed?...

 

[Slam2121]

Kentucky has drafted legislation for legalized gambling too. How has that progressed?...

Kentucky has Churchill Downs there to slow it down too.

 

[zipp]

Kentucky has Churchill Downs there to slow it down too.

You didn't answer the question... "Drafting legislation" means very little.

 

[Slam2121]

You didn't answer the question... "Drafting legislation" means very little.

If the powers that are, want this legislation to pass and pass swiftly, then it shall be.

 

[zipp]

If the powers that are, want this legislation to pass and pass swiftly, then it shall be.

So now you're banking on a hypothetical as evidence of what's gonna happen...

 

[Slam2121]

So now you're banking on a hypothetical as evidence of what's gonna happen...

No. I’m not. Sheer opinion. Those are still allowed today and even on forums such as this. Unless of course, they’ve been legislatively outlawed.