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The storyline I always heard was that he wanted a guaranteed starting spot and Pitino wouldn't make that promise.
This is also the reason, despite what a few U of L fans think, that DR wasn't sorely missed by U of L. Simply put, not L1C4 material....As a result, he got a 6th place finish in the B1G and 2nd round exit instead of a potential shot at the National Championship...
This is also the reason, despite what a few U of L fans think, that DR wasn't sorely missed by U of L. Simply put, not L1C4 material.
As Rye said, he went to the right school.
"Elite program", my a$$...
He just was just the typical OAD !Will also add, on the other hand, players like Russell are the kind of players that paint any & all OAD kids in a bad light. Incredibly egotistical, very cocky, which supposedly turned off a lot of NBA staffers. Have to imagine that it turned off several college coaches as well, which may be a good reason why he went to Ohio State. He just sounds entitled, and up to that point, he never really earned it.
He just was just the typical OAD !
How did you UL not sign D'angelo Russell? I mean don't get me wrong, as a UK fan I'm glad you didn't sign him. But with Russell being from Louisville & with UL being a better basketball school/program than Ohio State how did you not sign him?
I recall during a telecast of a OSU game, the announcers said he meshed with Matta more than Pitino. It happens. Cal misses out on recruits, too.
Rhavicc, it is 8-3, but I'm not considered young and it's 4-3 in my lifetime. Uk's first 4 were when you only had to play a couple of games and the NIT was considered the premier tournament when UK won its first 2. Again, it is 8-3 but it isn't like UK wins more often than we do in the last 40 years.
Since the Rupp years , U of K has gone to 11 final fours with three National Champioships whereas U of L has gone to ten Final Fours with three National Champioships. When Rupp won his division I Champioships in 1948, the division II championship was one by . . . Louisville. They were hardly on ths same playing field until the mid-to-late 50's. In fact, U Conn has won as many Champioships as UK since the Rupp years with Duke and UCLA having won more.
So what is it that you're suggesting? Simply because it doesn't fit your time-frame, UK's success should be penalized? In fairness to the NIT comment, UK also has an NIT title and runner-up in that period as well.
But aside from the titles, look at the other statistics in a pro-Louisville, 40 year time frame, and we'll pretend that basketball has only existed since 1975, although we both know otherwise.
Kentucky wins: 1084
Louisville wins: 973
Kentucky losses: 315
Louisville losses: 402
Kentucky vs Louisville head-to-head games: Kentucky leads series 24-12
Kentucky tournament appearances: 34
Louisville tournament appearances: 33
Kentucky tournament wins: 91
Louisville tournament wins: 65
Kentucky vs Louisville head-to-head NCAA tournament games: Kentucky leads series 3-1
Kentucky NCAA runner-up: 3
Louisville NCAA runner-up: 0
Kentucky NCAA final four: 11
Louisville NCAA final four: 8
Kentucky NCAA elite eight: 20
Louisville NCAA elite eight: 12
Kentucky NCAA sweet sixteen: 24
Louisville NCAA sweet sixteen: 21
Kentucky conference tournament champs: 15
Louisville conference tournament champs: 17
Kentucky conference regular season champs: 18
Louisville conference regular season champs: 17
Kentucky years in basketball power conference: 40 (SEC)
Louisville years in basketball power conference: 9 (8 in Big East & 1 in ACC)
And before anybody wants to take a hack at the SEC, we'll review a few things.
Since 1999, the conference RPI rankings, on average, are as followed:
ACC: 3.1
Big East: 3.5
SEC: 3.8
AAC: 8.0
Conference USA: 9.1
The average team RPI rankings:
ACC: 66.3
SEC: 69.4
Big East: 71.2
AAC: 107.0
Conference USA: 124.6
Conference OOC win%:
ACC: 75.5%
Big East: 73.7%
SEC: 71.0%
AAC: 70.2%
Conference USA: 61.5%
So Kentucky has been playing similar competition to that of Louisville in its conference schedule (while Louisville is in a power conference) statistically. The SEC, while not an outstanding basketball conference, is still markedly better than Louisville's old conferences (which were not power conferences), where Louisville accumulated 733 of their 973 wins in that 40 year window.
Kentucky leads Louisville in 12 of the 13 categories, with Louisville's lone category that it leads Kentucky in being conference tournament championships. where Louisville won at least 12 of their conference tournaments in a non-power conference.
Still having trouble with this second tier business.who else is " top tier " besides the almighty Wildcats?
It's ridiculous that LPT is all in on basketball with no more to show for it than it has. Everything is subordinated to basketball. The vast majority of LPT fans want it that way, and the administration--even the LPT football coach--doesn't dare challenge the status quo. You'd think sacrificing everything at the altar of basketball would net more than a championship maybe every decade. Let's hope that narrow-minded thinking continues.
"Elite program", my a$$...
And another thread turns into a pissing match.
thanks, Rhivacc for ruining another discussion.
Interesting that you chose the year 1975. In doing so you have omitted our membership in the MVC. It may not look like much today, but in the 50's and 60's it was very much a power conference in BB, filled with teams nobody wanted to play. UC, Bradley, Wichita State, St. Louis, Drake, Memphis State and the Cards. Not the level of the ACC, but neighboring Big 10 and Big Eight schools refused to play them. Granted, after the original Metro broke up, reformed or whatever we were in poor company conference wise until our admittance to the Big East. Super for BB, but the FB suffered. Thank Heavens for the ACC!
Still having trouble with this second tier business.who else is " top tier " besides the almighty Wildcats?
Yeah. He spends his summers hanging out on 2nd tier basketball program message boards. Sure thing.
Zipp, weren't you stating a few months ago that due the the one-and-out nature of NCAA tournament, the results were a fluke and not a measure of success?
Thanks for using stats to backup your argument Rhavicc. Clearly UK has the more successful all time program, but the gap isn't nearly as wide as most UK fans like to think.
UK, Duke, UNC, KU, IU, and UCLA are the top tier historically. In recent years - UK, Duke, UConn, UofL, and KU make up the top tier.
UofL was the most successfull program in the 80's. Their success isn't restricted to recent.I can agree with this. When I speak of being a top-tier program, it's in regards to all-time. Louisville has had a lot of recent success though.
That's the way I feel, but not the average fan. Certainly not LPT fans. And we don't let them forget that.Zipp, weren't you stating a few months ago that due the the one-and-out nature of NCAA tournament, the results were a fluke and not a measure of success?
No, it applies to how I think and what I see.OneEarWonder said:
Zipp, weren't you stating a few months ago that due the the one-and-out nature of NCAA tournament, the results were a fluke and not a measure of success?
That he did. That clearly only applies to Louisville though...
Ohio State is still going to be a fairly tough sell for elite recruits.
Ignorance gone to seed and taking root,This is also the reason, despite what a few U of L fans think, that DR wasn't sorely missed by U of L. Simply put, not L1C4 material.
As Rye said, he went to the right school.
"Elite program", my a$$...
In the blue hole nation ignorance is an ocean and the blue holes are drowning in it !Ignorance gone to seed and taking root,
LMAO!! King of the blue holes you just can't help yourself post after post, you are one total rube !! LMAO"Zipp, weren't you stating a few months ago that due to the one-and-out nature of NCAA tournament, the results were a fluke and not a measure of success?"
Yes, he was....especially when talking about the 2012 National Championship.