It’s interesting to read this now, especially playing Pitt tomorrow night.
I do feel in the long run that we’ll be in the Big 12, probably by 2030 or so.
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Miami is interesting because they’re an AAU Tier 1 research university. I think they might be a fit for the Big Ten for their academics.Not shocking, I suspect Miami will end up in the SEC. Will go to the land of the misfit toys….the Big 12.
I would agree. It was strange they weren’t on their list unless they expect them to end up in the SEC.Miami is interesting because they’re an AAU Tier 1 research university. I think they might be a fit for the Big Ten for their academics.
About Eyeballs.Well obviously it’s not about football because half of those teams suck at football.
Howard was right and Swain was wrong. Cards should have remained Independent until Big East or someone else "drafted" us. Perhaps many seasons later. Howard would have had a chance to build an Independent juggernaut. Swain cared Zero about sports. No comprehension of Sports Front Porch concept to Universities.For the first time since Howard graced the sidelines, UL football has an opportunity “to climb another rung of the ladder”, as Jeff Brohm is viewed as a long term fixture as HC at Louisville. We have never been considered for either the SEC or BIG, but if we continue to build on what our first year HC has shown this far …….. folks will take notice.
Ironic that Schnellenberger left over UL pursuing conference affiliation, otherwise he would have stayed a lot longer as an independent.
It's not that a school is or isn't from a populated area. It's that the school has lots of students and graduates who attended the school.Like I have said before I have relatives all over New Jersey and parts of New York none of them watch Rutgers in anything. Just because a school is in a populated area doesn’t mean they draw viewers. I am not from Texas, Alabama, Ohio or other parts of the country where really good teams are but if 2 good teams are playing I am going to watch.
Crappy teams from a power conference has no draw. When traveling around the country while working I listen to sports talk shows and they all make fun of teams like Rutgers.
Well that knocks out PittAbout Eyeballs.
Let me clarify: It's not about winning and losing in football. It's about how many fans around the world turn on the tv or computer to watch "their" program play. So massive universities with very large numbers of living alumni become the desired attribute.
Those talking heads claiming academics, accreditation, affiliation, etc. as reasons for this M&A activity are putting lipstick on a pig(skin).Miami is interesting because they’re an AAU Tier 1 research university. I think they might be a fit for the Big Ten for their academics.
Well yes that's true in a proper context.Those talking heads claiming academics, accreditation, affiliation, etc. as reasons for this M&A activity are putting lipstick on a pig(skin).
It's about $. If you can add $ then you have a chance no matter the reason.
Make no mistake, this is all mergers and acquisitions for "conferences".
Check out their living alumniYeah like Nebraska because of their large population of 1.94 million puts a lot of eyeballs on the TV.
Wasn't that an argument against us joining the ACC?...Write off the B1G for UofL. Academic profile isn’t what they want...
To the Big Ten, it kind of matters. All of those University Presidents that will make the decisions are the ones that value those academics. Especially with those West Coast schools now, they would see it as a disadvantage adding schools that have lower academic standards. They want all of their schools competing on the same level.Those talking heads claiming academics, accreditation, affiliation, etc. as reasons for this M&A activity are putting lipstick on a pig(skin).
It's about $. If you can add $ then you have a chance no matter the reason.
Make no mistake, this is all mergers and acquisitions for "conferences".
If it was about academics, Stanford would be there.To the Big Ten, it kind of matters. All of those University Presidents that will make the decisions are the ones that value those academics. Especially with those West Coast schools now, they would see it as a disadvantage adding schools that have lower academic standards. They want all of their schools competing on the
It’s not all about academics, you’re going from one end to the other.If it was about academics, Stanford would be there.
I agree, but they make decisions based on $ first. The rest is puffery.... the Big Ten really views themselves as a Country Club. Very elitist about their academics and history.
I sit here and read this Post by you Guardman!! And tell YOU to move on like you have told ME to MOVE ON! Move on Guardman!! We will be the Little Engine That Could!! And Tom Jurich recognized that and thought BIG ! Hopefully our NEW AD Heird, NEW PRESIDENT! Will think Big Too! If they do, we will be fine!!Howard was right and Swain was wrong. Cards should have remained Independent until Big East or someone else "drafted" us. Perhaps many seasons later. Howard would have had a chance to build an Independent juggernaut. Swain cared Zero about sports. No comprehension of Sports Front Porch concept to Universities.
It was about a conference for basketball. The Metro was breaking up.Howard was right and Swain was wrong. Cards should have remained Independent until Big East or someone else "drafted" us. Perhaps many seasons later. Howard would have had a chance to build an Independent juggernaut. Swain cared Zero about sports. No comprehension of Sports Front Porch concept to Universities.
Good post Guardman. It’s fact an reality. Truth is most of the universities joining the Big 10 or SEC are being relegated to no more chance of any championships and in many cases Bowl games. I would rather be a big fish in a small pond then a small fish in that mess.Louisville is quite OK. I'm a graduate. I give a lot of money to UofL. I buy a lot of UofL tickets. UofL is in my Will. I will wear Red until I die and then my wife will dress me in Red in the Casket.
As almost all of us understand, Louisville is the best example in College P5 sports of The Little Engine That Could.
Louisville's Revenue does quite well. And has for some time. And once MBB gets back on track, all should be good.
Louisville is the smallest Public university in the P5, measured by Living Alumni count (I'm not longer entirely sure of this, but I believe it to still be the case). There are Private P5's which are smaller.
Louisville is the 2nd largest Public University in a somewhat small-population, as well as, relatively poor state. And Louisville is less supported than the #1 size school is by fans in the state.
College Sports Media companies (Fox, ESPN, etc) desire making money. The more the better. They want to show teams that bring along viewers.
Roughly 80% of the media value of College P5 sports is in Football. MBB comes 2nd. All other sports don't much register. College Football in the Big Ten and SEC mostly play before 'huge' filled stadiums.
Football Attendance and Living Alumni count are reasonable proxies for Media Eyeball count.
If and When the two Conference Juggernauts expand, they will try to do it with teams that add a lot of value as measured by Media Eyeballs.
The Big Ten will 'never' invite Louisville, due to its marginal academics which began a downward move in 1952 from its merger with Louisville Municipal College and concomitant (and appropriate) change in focus.
The SEC will 'probably' not invite Louisville, because of UK.
Overall, there are three significant barriers for UofL's move to the SEC (or Big Ten):
1. Small PUBLIC School w Fewer Living Alumni (the effect of this can also be seen in the university's endowment)
2. (Relatively) Poor Academics as measured by virtually every credible college quality measurement service.
3. Scared Hatred by UK and its statewide proponents and followers.
Numbers 1 and 2 can be improved over a very very long timetable. Number 3 probably never.
Louisville is fine in the ACC. The ACC is probably going to be further reconstituted over the next few seasons. Louisville can probably flourish in the ACC once MBB gets righted (despite not being located in NC or Tobacco Road).
If for some reason the ACC falls apart and lots of lower level teams are brought in to replace the biggies who leave, Louisville should probably have an option to leave (and likely join the Big XII). That option may or may not occur prior to 2035/2036. That's OK. The ACC as it is or the Big XII as it may become is probably OK. And $30m of annual media $$ difference (per team) may either decline, or become less relevant.
I bleed Red. My son bleeds Red. Mrs. Guardman bleeds Red.
There are things that cannot be changed. The University cannot grow another 100,000 alumni overnight. Or suddenly rise 100 spots in the college rankings. We are what we are, and that's fine.
You’re pretty well spot on, but I did learn some things in my job in 2012 when the realignment was going on. I learned a lot from what moves the TV needles and such.Louisville is quite OK. I'm a graduate. I give a lot of money to UofL. I buy a lot of UofL tickets. UofL is in my Will. I will wear Red until I die and then my wife will dress me in Red in the Casket.
As almost all of us understand, Louisville is the best example in College P5 sports of The Little Engine That Could.
Louisville's Revenue does quite well. And has for some time. And once MBB gets back on track, all should be good.
Louisville is the smallest Public university in the P5, measured by Living Alumni count (I'm not longer entirely sure of this, but I believe it to still be the case). There are Private P5's which are smaller.
Louisville is the 2nd largest Public University in a somewhat small-population, as well as, relatively poor state. And Louisville is less supported than the #1 size school is by fans in the state.
College Sports Media companies (Fox, ESPN, etc) desire making money. The more the better. They want to show teams that bring along viewers.
Roughly 80% of the media value of College P5 sports is in Football. MBB comes 2nd. All other sports don't much register. College Football in the Big Ten and SEC mostly play before 'huge' filled stadiums.
Football Attendance and Living Alumni count are reasonable proxies for Media Eyeball count.
If and When the two Conference Juggernauts expand, they will try to do it with teams that add a lot of value as measured by Media Eyeballs.
The Big Ten will 'never' invite Louisville, due to its marginal academics which began a downward move in 1952 from its merger with Louisville Municipal College and concomitant (and appropriate) change in focus.
The SEC will 'probably' not invite Louisville, because of UK.
Overall, there are three significant barriers for UofL's move to the SEC (or Big Ten):
1. Small PUBLIC School w Fewer Living Alumni (the effect of this can also be seen in the university's endowment)
2. (Relatively) Poor Academics as measured by virtually every credible college quality measurement service.
3. Scared Hatred by UK and its statewide proponents and followers.
Numbers 1 and 2 can be improved over a very very long timetable. Number 3 probably never.
Louisville is fine in the ACC. The ACC is probably going to be further reconstituted over the next few seasons. Louisville can probably flourish in the ACC once MBB gets righted (despite not being located in NC or Tobacco Road).
If for some reason the ACC falls apart and lots of lower level teams are brought in to replace the biggies who leave, Louisville should probably have an option to leave (and likely join the Big XII). That option may or may not occur prior to 2035/2036. That's OK. The ACC as it is or the Big XII as it may become is probably OK. And $30m of annual media $$ difference (per team) may either decline, or become less relevant.
I bleed Red. My son bleeds Red. Mrs. Guardman bleeds Red.
There are things that cannot be changed. The University cannot grow another 100,000 alumni overnight. Or suddenly rise 100 spots in the college rankings. We are what we are, and that's fine.
As regards eyeballs, couldn’t they just look at TV ratings of UofL games? I’m not an alum of UofL, but I watch all their games. A sudden increase in academic standing is possible, simply by being more restrictive (“selective”) in admissions. That’s a big part of the ratings of most of these services (though I think the ratings formula largely miss the mark). Something all universities can do is cut administrators in order to pay faculty. There are things that can be done. But as regards $EC, UaKay will always blackball us.Louisville is quite OK. I'm a graduate. I give a lot of money to UofL. I buy a lot of UofL tickets. UofL is in my Will. I will wear Red until I die and then my wife will dress me in Red in the Casket.
As almost all of us understand, Louisville is the best example in College P5 sports of The Little Engine That Could.
Louisville's Revenue does quite well. And has for some time. And once MBB gets back on track, all should be good.
Louisville is the smallest Public university in the P5, measured by Living Alumni count (I'm not longer entirely sure of this, but I believe it to still be the case). There are Private P5's which are smaller.
Louisville is the 2nd largest Public University in a somewhat small-population, as well as, relatively poor state. And Louisville is less supported than the #1 size school is by fans in the state.
College Sports Media companies (Fox, ESPN, etc) desire making money. The more the better. They want to show teams that bring along viewers.
Roughly 80% of the media value of College P5 sports is in Football. MBB comes 2nd. All other sports don't much register. College Football in the Big Ten and SEC mostly play before 'huge' filled stadiums.
Football Attendance and Living Alumni count are reasonable proxies for Media Eyeball count.
If and When the two Conference Juggernauts expand, they will try to do it with teams that add a lot of value as measured by Media Eyeballs.
The Big Ten will 'never' invite Louisville, due to its marginal academics which began a downward move in 1952 from its merger with Louisville Municipal College and concomitant (and appropriate) change in focus.
The SEC will 'probably' not invite Louisville, because of UK.
Overall, there are three significant barriers for UofL's move to the SEC (or Big Ten):
1. Small PUBLIC School w Fewer Living Alumni (the effect of this can also be seen in the university's endowment)
2. (Relatively) Poor Academics as measured by virtually every credible college quality measurement service.
3. Scared Hatred by UK and its statewide proponents and followers.
Numbers 1 and 2 can be improved over a very very long timetable. Number 3 probably never.
Louisville is fine in the ACC. The ACC is probably going to be further reconstituted over the next few seasons. Louisville can probably flourish in the ACC once MBB gets righted (despite not being located in NC or Tobacco Road).
If for some reason the ACC falls apart and lots of lower level teams are brought in to replace the biggies who leave, Louisville should probably have an option to leave (and likely join the Big XII). That option may or may not occur prior to 2035/2036. That's OK. The ACC as it is or the Big XII as it may become is probably OK. And $30m of annual media $$ difference (per team) may either decline, or become less relevant.
I bleed Red. My son bleeds Red. Mrs. Guardman bleeds Red.
There are things that cannot be changed. The University cannot grow another 100,000 alumni overnight. Or suddenly rise 100 spots in the college rankings. We are what we are, and that's fine.