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So players can't execute but it's the coaches fault? You think the same way about us?Clemson had bases loaded in bottom of 10th with no one out, and cannot get either hitter to put the ball in play. Vols turn double play (reverse call under review) ends the inning .
Two hitters failed to put the ball in play for walkoff; unbelievable choke by coaching staff.
I agree with much of your analysis Cycle27, but Clemson had Tennessee beaten twice before losing it late. I give the Vols credit for their late runs to tie it up, but when the Tigers has the winning run on 3rd base with no one out and the batter failed to sacrifice bunt, or even get a ground ball .......... the coaching staff choked the perfect opportunity to win it straight up.. With one out and bases loaded .......... the next hitter did the only thing you cannot do, he hits an infield ground ball into a double play.The thing that is standing out is pitching. The really good teams just roll out arm after arm. SEC is ridiculous with their pitching staffs. UT beat Clemson in 14 innings with 3 guys that all would have been weekend starters for Louisville. Mid to high 90’s with really good off speed stuff.
You don’t see a bunch of walks or guys always working from behind. When you see it you get crazy high scores and when you don’t see it games are relatively low scoring.
Not sure how UK did it with this group but they are good. Wake is the best team I have seen because they have 3 legit starters that can go deep plus they can swing it. UT is going to be a problem. Legit arms. LSU is susceptible because they aren’t deep on the mound. Legit #1 but weak after him. Their offense is so good.
Bases were loaded with no outs. They didn't score but it didn't have anything to do with the coaches. In my opinion, the first guy choked by striking out, swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. The next guy hit into bad luck as the groundball into the double play was razor close.I think the discussion point is on whether or not they could have bunted, etc. to put themselves in a position to score, etc. I didn‘t see it so I can’t comment. Ultimately, a batter at plate with a chance to win the game - that is pretty much on the player. Jack P came through for us in a situation like that this year and he also failed to as well. Choke is a harsh word though.
I'm sorry but what exact scenario are you referring to? Bases loaded with no outs? I've seen that scenario a million times and rarely seen a bunt attempt.Thank you Bardman; your response to Real was 100% correct.
Interestingly, the same situation I described at Clemson, occurred again last night in Lexington when IU had runners on third with no one out. In fairness to the Hoosier coaching staff, the situation was different at Clemson: the game winning run situation was not in Lexington.
Back to Clemson, the strategy was to sacrifice the winning run home from third with a bunt, as even if the runner is tagged or thrown out, it only results in one out, but the other base runners advance to 2nd and third, greatly reducing the chance of the inning, which in that case ended with the Vols turning the double play.
You obviously cannot do it when there are 1 or 2 outs; the time is when there are no outs. In the case of Clemson, it was the single opportunity to win the game and advance to the Supers, and the Clemson fans knew it immediately and responded accordingly on their rival sites blaming their coach for having failed to follow that prevailing wisdom.
I am only talking about the strategy, and not so much the execution that Realville suggests. No coach can know the outcome, or how effective the hitter may or may not perform, however he must be responsible for calling the play at the time that provides the best chance of success.
Strategy in baseball is admittedly is always up for differing opinions, and it does not mean that either opinion will be successful, it just provides the best percentage of success.
Real ... that was the actual situation that started this exchange; specifically when Clemson had bases loaded with no one out. The more unique aspect of that game was indeed "a once in a lifetime type event" as it was the bottom of the ninth inning, scored tied, and the winner advances to Supers.Thank you Bardman; your response to Real was 100% correct.
Interestingly, the same situation I described at Clemson, occurred again last night in Lexington when IU had runners on third with no one out. In fairness to the Hoosier coaching staff, the situation was different at Clemson: the game winning run situation was not in Lexington.
Back to Clemson, the strategy was to sacrifice the winning run home from third with a bunt, as even if the runner is tagged or thrown out, it only results in one out, but the other base runners advance to 2nd and third, greatly reducing the chance of the inning, which in that case ended with the Vols turning the double play.
You obviously cannot do it when there are 1 or 2 outs; the time is when there are no outs. In the case of Clemson, it was the single opportunity to win the game and advance to the Supers, and the Clemson fans knew it immediately and responded accordingly on their rival sites blaming their coach for having failed to follow that prevailing wisdom.
I am only talking about the strategy, and not so much the execution that Realville suggests. No coach can know the outcome, or how effective the hitter may or may not perform, however he must be responsible for calling the play at the time that provides the best chance of success.
Strategy in baseball is admittedly is always up for differing opinions, and it does not mean that either opinion will be successful, it just provides the best percentage of success.
UL and CDM were not in that situation, only Clemson was.
It is true, the Clemson coaching staff know their players better than me or anyone, but history will show they failed at the very best opportunity to advance.
You can say the hitter failed, and I will not argue that fact. However, I prefer to place the failure on the coach for his decision to allow the hitter to swing away, rather than putting the ball in play with a sacrificial bunt/ground ball. The strikeout was the one unacceptable option, as it set up the double play.
If the shoe was on our foot, do you think we would have let the regional go somewhere else?Barnyard should've gone the way the Indiana St athletic director has gone and played that regional somewhere else. In case you guys didn't see,Indiana St was supposed to host the Super, but there is something else going on in Terre Haute this weekend so he allowed the series to be moved to Dallas I think.
At least the coach from IU thinks Barnfart should've gone the same route. Lol
Yes,I mean it is uk after all.If the shoe was on our foot, do you think we would have let the regional go somewhere else?
I think Florida has a slight advantage as more of the heavyweights are in the other bracket. Not a big fan of Kevin Sullivan though. Don't have an issue against WF and wouldn't mind if ACC team won it all. I have a tendency to pull sometimes for underdogs and it would be a major upset if Oral Roberts were to pull if off. You could make an argument for at least 5-6 teams winning it all so should be interesting.Who's everybody got in the World Series?
I'm kinda liking Florida and the way they're pitching right now.
Some juicy matchups coming pitting offense vs pitching. Not rooting for Florida, but thinking about betting them $$$
Yeah me neither,but I'm just looking for a value bet. Can't get it with WF. Maybe Virginia.Not a big fan of Kevin Sullivan though
Virginia is a hard read. They were dominant at home but so-so on the road. They definitely have all the ingredients. To me Game #1 is the toughest. Matched up against Florida. Lose 1st game and you're fighting for your life.Yeah me neither,but I'm just looking for a value bet. Can't get it with WF. Maybe Virginia.
Picking Wake, but rooting for TCU.Virginia is a hard read. They were dominant at home but so-so on the road. They definitely have all the ingredients. To me Game #1 is the toughest. Matched up against Florida. Lose 1st game and you're fighting for your life.
I know we like to single out the kitties a lot but in my opinion, they earned mostly what they got. They won 40 games, which is usually the measuring stick in being selected. They had the #2 strength of schedule according to some baseball polls (that is usually just a product of being in the SEC which so many ranked teams) and they finished above .500 in the league. We certainly didn't make a case for being in the tournament.Rooting for anyone other than an SEC team. I have witnessed the most unbalanced coverage, and obvious bias towards the SEC by ESPN and most mainstream media sources, which I believe is responsible for the advantage the SEC enjoys with both selection and hosting opportunities in the tournament.
I will concede the SEC is not only a powerful baseball conference with a successful record to support its reputation; but is arguably the best baseball conference in the country. What I question is whether the success in Omaha is as much about superiority, or the ability to have so many (10) teams invited into the tournament with so many of those having the advantage of hosting? UK is an example of hosting despite their late season decline, and rewarded with Ball State, WVU and IU as opponents. The subsequent 14-0 loss to LSU provided ample of evidence that it was unworthy of being a host school.
The polling turned out to be “musical chairs” between whichever SEC team appeared at the time to be demonstrating momentum within its own conference. One team would leap frog over others once they got into conference play, leaving most other non-SEC a conference schools being discounted if they lost a series.
I agree that velocity is not the end all answer, but look at these numbers. These reflect max velocity. Granted these were their numbers coming out of HS, but it is rare for players to increase their velocity by more than 2-4 mph, unless you're looking at maybe a regular starter who converts to a relief pitcher.Don’t get caught up in the velocity everyone throws 92-95 which is plenty. It is their off speed stuff that separates these guys. They all have really good command of their pitches. The kid from TN has an elite slider. The LSU pitcher throws 100 but his off speed is great as well. Wake’s 1 guy mixes up all his pitches. All these hitters can turn around a fastball. I will never understand taking on 3-0 fastballs it is the only count that the hitter is guaranteed a fastball and one the isn’t located very often.
Wake and LSU are elite offenses and they were completely shut down yesterday. All the games are coming down to 1-2 runs. Good teams all over the place.
Louisville had a hell of run on really good pitchers however the last 2-3 years it has been average. The guys that transfer out were high velocity guys but they had no command. I don’t see anyway they don’t try to land a legit weekend starter.