Doesn't matter if he said happy or honored. Why would a UK talk show have her on to begin with? Jones has single handidly turned the rivalry into a bitter thing.
Will UK fans support UL in the NCAA investigations and self-imposed penalties?
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What is there to support? These are self imposed penalties so all the support doesn't matter. When I was 17 I had two small car wrecks in one day. I came home from the 2nd wreck, handed my keys to dad and self imposed a ban on me driving for one month. He had no sympathy and didn't talk me out of my ban.
Not true at all. If the Camby incident had not happened, people would still question Cal's involvement in getting Derrick Rose qualified. You neglected to add that four of those 12 years you mentioned were spent coaching in the NBA. Then, for the first five years that Cal was at Memphis, they were not doing great, with his signature accomplishment being an NIT Championship. If you look at the circumstances around Rose's recruitment, which have been re-hashed ad-nauseum, there is enough smoke that common sense would call it a fire.
Well stop SYH, and cut and paste what you got genius. NIT is older and until the 50s had a stronger and more prestigious field than the NCAA as they had at large bids for teams - which included independents and not just conference champions. For those reasons, it was considered to be the more important title of the two to win.
Alright, let's just focus on the 1949 NIT and NCAA tournaments.
NIT Tournament Participants with final AP ranking;
Bowling Green - 10
Bradley - 7
CCNY - Unranked
Kentucky - 1
Loyola - 16
Manhattan - Unranked
NYU - Unranked
St Johns - Unranked
Saint Louis - 3
SFU - 8
Western KY - 5
Utah - 12
NCAA Participants and Rank
Illinois - 4
Kentucky -1
Villanova - 17
Yale -11
Arkansas - Unranked
Oklahoma AM - 2
Oregon State- Unranked
Wyoming - 17
UK played in both tourneys. AP voters apparently didn't get the message that the NIT was more important, as they ranked 3 of the NCAA tourney Final four in the top 4, including NCAA champ Kentucky at #1 and NCAA runner up Oklahoma AM at #2. NIT had 4/12 unranked for 33%. NCAA had 2/8 for 25%.
Up unitl the early 40s, the NIT was the better tournament. The 2 were on equal footing by 1943 when the NCAA moved to Madison square garden as well to increase exposure. By the time the early 50s rolled around the NIT was unquestionably the lesser of the 2.
Given that uk lost the NIT that year, no wonder that you'd like to elevate the NCAA title as the more important. However, it simply wasn't the case.
Then hop in a time machine and tell the AP voters.
Pick any year after 1945 and you'll see the same pattern.
Feel free to believe whatever you want as will I - it's not as though there is a purely objective answer to the question.
And, if I'm hopping in a time machine for a conversation, it wouldn't be with AP voters - I'd probably speak with matt jones' parents about using better birth control.
This is why you have a compliance office. UK's compliance office is ran by Sandy Bell. ( an ex NCAA'er) Who is UL's compliance officer? UL will be forced to tighten up their compliance office by the NCAA. That is why UK hired Bell.
I think we have a very vivid memories of our own past, although Marcus Camby is irrelevant. We damn near received the death penalty on the other instance.
As for rooting for you guys, I can't speak for all of the fans but I root for you guys any time you play against Duke or North Carolina.
I don't root for teams to get sanctions because I think that's bad karma but as I mentioned earlier, we have very vivid memories of our scandal in the late 80s so naturally some are wanting th NCAA to punish accordingly. But at the same time when is uNC's time coming?
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