BYE BYE to the ol great powers of the SEC !!!!!! BYE BYE..... Georgia..., BYE BYE..... ALABAMA, BYE BYE .... TENNESSEE. there is a new sheriff in town and it's called TEXAS.
Welcome .....the new SEC west
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And Texas was the gifted their spot. I can't tell you how much joy I would have if the SEC would've been shut out of the last 4. I'll take solace once OSU clobbers them.
ND has more eyes on them (fans) than even Blue blood sec schools.
This made them impossible to “referee” them out of the PO.
And it was obvious early that UGA needed help but they couldn’t give it against ND
This made them impossible to “referee” them out of the PO.
And it was obvious early that UGA needed help but they couldn’t give it against ND
The whole conference love is ridiculous. Texas would be great in any conference if they have a good coach. They have always invested. They aren’t really a SEC team because this is year one.
There is value in being a big dog in a weaker conference. The teams that moved into a bigger conference that were really good in their previous conference usually do well in their new conference especially initially.
There is value in being a big dog in a weaker conference. The teams that moved into a bigger conference that were really good in their previous conference usually do well in their new conference especially initially.
A conference (The SEC) which has won 13 out of the last 18 national championships & you think that Texas or any other team is going to come in to that league and dominate. If you believe that, then I've got a statue in New York harbor that I would like to sell you. Dominate?. They didn't even win the league championship this season. Remember Georgia beat them not once but twice.
Not me. I think you meant to respond to someone else. Or perhaps you missed the question mark at the end of my post.
Nobody dominates in $EC FB, although the Bear and Nick Saban have come close at times. That is my take based on 60 years of following the sport.
It is a stupid argument. What is the point? Who cares? Look at the NFL does anyone care the NFC North is the best conference? Hell no, only in college sports do fans pound their chest about their conference dominance.
Look at who is dominating the SEC, Georgia and Alabama especially the last 10 years. It is not the conference it is specific teams that go on runs. Was the SEC really down this year or was it Georgia and Alabama being were down?
College football has been rigged since the beginning. Power ratings i.e talent will always prop up the SEC and other brands in other conferences. They will always have the most talent.
Texas will win in SEC because they have all the resources and more to always have a great roster and great coaching. The teams that make it in the playoffs from the SEC will have the weakest SOS. This year 2 of the 3 had the weakest SOS in the SEC.
Oregon is a good example they have all the resources they need. They will compete every year. It has nothing to do with how good or bad the Big Ten is or isn’t.
It's cute watching UK fans cling to the SEC like pesky dingleberries. And now they gotta cheer for Texas. Oh the humanity!
No more Saban, no more SEC dominance.
I don't know...the old Nebraska fan in me seeing how mediocre Oklahoma immediately became with the move and Lincoln Riley's almost immediate bolting when they were announced as an SEC member is sort of sobering. Since the arms race has shifted away from Indoor Practice Facilties and garish amenities in Infrastructure like Texas and Clemson locker rooms, it only makes sense that the top of the sport which enjoys the Status Quo almost by mandate will see those resources shift to money whipping the Sport's top talent. God knows Fox Sports and ESPN have already shown where they're going to put their efforts at promotion. The second a top tier talent hits the Portal--especially when that player is leaving an SEC school--it's another SEC school--or Ohio State--that ponies up.
I wasn't making the argument that the SEC is the best football conference in college football. I was just saying that Texas nor any other football program is going to walk into that conference and dominate. And you say that it's just Alabama & Georgia that's been winning the championships. During this 18 year run, Auburn, Florida & LSU have also won national championships with Florida & LSU winning 2 each.
The portal giveth, and the portal taketh.
It has shown that the total depth is now gone from the sec too. Bama/uga/lsu etc can’t keep 4-5 star players on the bench “waiting their turn” any longer. They are bailing to go somewhere and play for pay. Everyone has to “rebuild” every year.
Through the first round of bowl games the sec was 7-6. Hardly “dominating”. However it makes the abysmal acc look even worse.
Everybody had opt outs and transfers. TV moaned about it all month. (The deeper it got in bowl season the louder they got)
It appears what the sec had left was no better or worse than the other conference teams they played.
I believe the time is here for the “anybody can beat anybody” every week now with injuries having a bigger impact than ever for the above reason. Depth.
And now it’s affecting the blue bloods.
It has shown that the total depth is now gone from the sec too. Bama/uga/lsu etc can’t keep 4-5 star players on the bench “waiting their turn” any longer. They are bailing to go somewhere and play for pay. Everyone has to “rebuild” every year.
Through the first round of bowl games the sec was 7-6. Hardly “dominating”. However it makes the abysmal acc look even worse.
Everybody had opt outs and transfers. TV moaned about it all month. (The deeper it got in bowl season the louder they got)
It appears what the sec had left was no better or worse than the other conference teams they played.
I believe the time is here for the “anybody can beat anybody” every week now with injuries having a bigger impact than ever for the above reason. Depth.
And now it’s affecting the blue bloods.
Agreed; the Portal was the one development that ESPN did not anticipate when they initiated their strategy to encourage the SEC expansion. The BIG may have been the major recipient of these “unintended consequences”, as countering with attracting Oregon. Regrettably the ACC was late to the show, responding with the leftovers.
As for UL, we are in a great position to advance inside this ACC.
As for UL, we are in a great position to advance inside this ACC.
We can celebrate the SEC not looking as great, but Clemson and SMU hurt the ACC terribly. This playoff didn't do anything to help the cause of the ACC.
We're latching on to the Big Ten and ND having success, but the Big Ten is treated just the same as all the other leagues. I mean they're winning now, but we all know when Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame when they're rolling get the biggest media love in sports and have the highest ratings. ESPN is fine with those programs making the Final 4 and dominating ratings.
You can kind of tell a person's age by when they grew up watching football.
If you started getting heavy into College Football around the Petrino era and after, especially the Charlie era, then you remember SEC SEC SEC winning all the time. But if you started before that, you remember the Big Ten bias. People don't remember 2004 Auburn being undefeated out of the SEC and not making the BCS title game. People forget the time when OHio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame had all the bias. Nebraska was a powerhouse. Florida State and Miami was the biggest game of the year and the modern ACC was build on that game. The SEC star was Steve Spurrier. Then the USC, OU, and Texas years of the early 2000s.
The SEC never really had that one program that was a major draw. Like you know what I mean, a program that when they're rocking everyone is paying attention. Programs like Ohio State, USC, Texas, Michigan, & Notre Dame. The SEC programs like Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee are all really good. The draw is that there are a bunch of really good programs and talent that makes it interesting. The league itself was the sell. Nick Saban making Bama that team every single year helped them keep that brand dominance during the years were they weren't as strong.
Remember the 2006-2007 coaching cycles? Rich Rod turned down Alabama but took Michigan. Les Miles had a national title team at LSU, but was heavily considering leaving for Michigan. Crazy to think that in this day and age, but that mindset changed ever so quickly
Right before Florida won the 2006 title, Ohio State and Michigan both played at #1 and #2. It was the defacto national title game and the clear best two teams. Florida beat OSU down in the title game. I mean the I remember the Iron Bowl just being another rivalry game and not a must watch game before Saban.
I was in school when Ok-Neb and Ok-Tx was must see FB. (1970’s)
OU claimed the 73 title and won it in 74 and 75. This was when the had players like Billy Sims and the Selman brothers.
Nebraska was ALWAYS in the hunt from 1970-2001 winning the NC in 70, 71, 94, 95 and 97
Texas had their name in the hat most years making the above list games “must see”.
I remember watching USC and John McKay “integrate” the sec in 1970, helping it become what it is today.
A lot of change and ups and downs for a lot of teams over the years. The sec hasn’t always been top dog. Up until the early 2000’s, when bowl games really meant something to players, the sec only had a 54% winning percentage. Hardly dominating. (In fairness the acc was 48%)
But through it all, over all these years, the one constant, the one never changing fact of football, the one thing you could count on, regardless what conference was “tops”
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uk has sucked 98% of the time. 👍🤷🏻♂️🏈
OU claimed the 73 title and won it in 74 and 75. This was when the had players like Billy Sims and the Selman brothers.
Nebraska was ALWAYS in the hunt from 1970-2001 winning the NC in 70, 71, 94, 95 and 97
Texas had their name in the hat most years making the above list games “must see”.
I remember watching USC and John McKay “integrate” the sec in 1970, helping it become what it is today.
A lot of change and ups and downs for a lot of teams over the years. The sec hasn’t always been top dog. Up until the early 2000’s, when bowl games really meant something to players, the sec only had a 54% winning percentage. Hardly dominating. (In fairness the acc was 48%)
But through it all, over all these years, the one constant, the one never changing fact of football, the one thing you could count on, regardless what conference was “tops”
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uk has sucked 98% of the time. 👍🤷🏻♂️🏈
My point as a UK or Louisville fan who cares if the SEC/ACC has had more championships. I don’t care how strong the ACC is or isn’t my only concern is can Louisville win the ACC. The SEC has historically sucked in basketball does that diminish what UK have done in basketball? No, they had great teams when they won it all.
The conference talk is only used to prop up or tear down a team. The only reason you care is because you need to try explain why UK is good or bad. The truth is you don’t need it to prove either. They suck in football and are a blue blood in basketball.
Texas depends how you define dominate but I agree there are too many elite programs with NIL capital for any team to dominate like Alabama and Georgia have done the last 10 years. However they will be at the top of the league from now on.
I am kind of with Cycle on this one.
I am kind of with Cycle on this one. Not sure when all this talk about conferences began, maybe when the SEC teams started dominating the college football championship or when the discussion began about having a college football playoff, but I have always had favorite "teams" and not favorite "conferences." Outside of Louisville, my favorite team growing up was the Sooners and I hated Nebraska and Texas. Billy Sims, Marcus Dupree, Greg Pruitt, Selmon brothers, the Boz.... I dislike Duke and North Carolina as much as I do Ohio St and Michigan. Out of the Big 10, I liked Purdue, mostly because of basketball. While I dislike Alabama, Florida and LSU, I like watching Georgia. I liked UCLA over USC. And as Cycle pointed out, other conferences don't really mean anything to me if Louisville doesn't win its own conference. If U of L is not playing for an ACC championship, bowl game or NC, I couldn't really less what conference wins. Sure I have my preferences.
A lot of memories in there. And I can add a few more.
First off, I would like to address national media bias (or laziness). Many fans worry about who is ranked where in the pre-season polls. They are totally meaningless and largely consist of the same 5or 6 teams ranked in the top ten every year - Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas, USC and the most recent flavor of the day - regardless of losses to graduation or up and coming teams in their respective conferences. They were familiar names and those polled took the easy way out. I can't tell you how many times I've seen Michigan being a pre-season Top 10 team, only to struggle to be ranked by years' end.
Switzer's OU teams of the 70's were something to see. If you could. His best teams were when they were on probation and not on TV. Texas was a big deal until he turned the Wishbone loose on them. They had no answer for Joe Washington, Greg Pruiit, Billy Sims and the like.
The Thanksgiving Day game vs. Nebraska in 1970 or 71 remains one of the best games that I have ever seen. Period.
I remember Bear Bryant inviting John McKay and the Trojans to an early season game knowing full well the outcome in advance. Sam Cunningham and crew did the same thing to Bama that they had done to OSU in the previous year's Rose Bowl. That game did more to integrate the SEC than any other reason. The Bear now had cover to recruit black athletes, though it would be a few years b4 he could recruit a black QB.
The college scoreboard show had a distinct East Coast bias. Ivy League, ND, Syracuse and the Big Ten dominated the coverage. You had to break out the AM radio and tune into Tele-Score 84 to get info on SEC or Big 8 games. Is Sid Jenkins still around?
Somehow, I think this bias morphed its way into the SEC! SEC! SEC! chant. The national perception was they were hayseed states that still practiced Jim Crow. So what if they play good football? I think it played a part in both polls not awarding top ranking to an undefeated Bama team in 1966, despite Notre Dame having a tie with MSU on their record. There was no way the pollsters were going to give Bama the NC three years in a row with George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door.
Someone mentioned their weariness over Michigan/OSU in the Big Ten. When you grow up in Northern KY and work in the state of Ohio, you get tired of hearing the media and co-workers run down your hayseed state. So much so that you look to their biggest nemesis. It helped immensely when Michigan hired the coach from my short-lived college day! Bye, bye State, I'm now a Michigan fan now. And have been except for the RichRod era. Go Blue!
My experience with UK football began in 1965 or so when they beat top-ranked Ole Miss. They followed it up the next week by beating the new #1 Auburn. It's been downhill ever since! The Curci years were interesting, but they went on probation for those excesses. I finally gave up on them when they hired Claiborne i/o The Pipe. They now head up the Enemies List. Go Cards!
A bit of a ramble, but please indulge an old man.
I’m really old. When I was a kid the Big 8 was the top conference, and the $EC was considered “soft”. Any time Nebraska, Oklahoma, Mizzou or anybody else would face an $EC team in a bowl or in regular season they would just crush them. My how things have changed.
I remember in the 70’s every Thanksgiving it was Oklahoma vs Nebraska. We were big Louisville fans but that was a fun game to watch. Now both of them have become irrelevant and nobody on a national level keeps up with them anymore.
Sad that it took several a$$ whippings on national TV to further the cause of integration. but they eventually got the message.
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