We give Jeff another year. That’s all.
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As I've put in another thread, the issue is a lot of the same with how Bobby ran his teams. Jeff is a HC that's fully focused on calling plays and running the offense. If he's focused on offense, the defense just isn't going to be his focus. He fully relies on his DC to make the calls and run the show.
His thought is that if he fires English, then you've fired the head coach of the defense. Jeff himself probably sees that he'd have to focus more on defense and it would add more work to his plate because no one on offense is running the show. He's not passing off work to Brian Brohm or McGee. I personally don't think firing English will change anything other than making the fans happier, but it likely won't lead to better results.
Mark Hagen would be the DC and he's been locked in with English since he was brought back to Purdue. This defensive staff are the people Ron English wants, so it will operate the same.
Fire him after the season is likely the smart move.
You're likely confused, we won the Russell Athletic Bowl in 2013, which was the year we lost 1 game to UCF.
In 2012, we lost 2 games and honestly had some pretty bad performances against some bad teams. UConn and Cuse were losses. And some way to close for comfort wins against some bad teams like FIU, Southern Miss, and USF. That team really just hit another gear in the month before the Sugar Bowl, because that team in the regular season wasn't that dominant. The Sugar Bowl team that took the field was great, but the full 2012 season wasn't our best team at all.
The Stanford loss wasn't a talent issue. Brohm failed to properly prepare his team, which, he took all the blame. I'm not expecting undefeated seasons. I'm expecting sustaining momentum. There was very real positive momentum heading into the Stanford game. Brohm blew it.
UofL football isn't the only sport where we're at a disadvantage from a NIL perspective. Walz has a $500K NIL budget. He just took an L to UK. Their NIL budget for women's basketball: $1.3M. So, while that sucks, it's not fair, I'm not going to turn my fan card in and find a new hobby because the landscape has changed. Feel free, though.
The UofL Sugar Bowl team isn't arguably the best team ever. There have been many great teams. However, beating Florida in the Sugar is undoubtedly one of the program's finest wins. The two losses you refer to, which, I'm not sure why that's relevant, Teddy was banged up big time in the UCONN game. He got knocked out of the game twice, which then led to his legendary and heroic performance at Rutgers the following week, that clinched a BCS bid.
First, you make it sound like Lacy was a program issue when in fact it could be just an individual issue. Just because they sign up to play for U of L doesn't mean they don't have flaws. We don't really personally know these kids even when they're here 3 or 4 years (I know thats true about Terrence Williams).
Secondly, some pundits will say that Brohm's first year back was the anomaly. No Clemson and no FSU on the schedule. Yes, we beat a 10th rank ND, ranked Duke team and a subpar Miami team but ended up with a 3 game losing streak.
For the record, not advocating for firing Jeff, but want to see some real changes made, not cosmetic ones.
Jeff needs to change, but I'd also say "Who else?"
A 35 year old Will Stein isn't a savior. We know what Jeff can do in the right circumstance, but anyone else could be a risk.
We could get someone like a Krag or a Satterfield again. Charlie Strong? I mean Charlie could work, but remember Charlie never coached in a P5 league. We wouldn't have made a bowl his first 2 years had we been in the ACC under Charlie and wouldn't have been sniffing a BCS bowl or ranked in 2012 either. Would we have been as patient with Charlie to build the momentum for 2013?
I said with Satt and I'll say with Jeff too, we have to define our expectations. We fire Jeff and we can't just expect a big turnaround and go back to Bobby 1.0 or Charlie in the Big East and AAC. We are playing tougher teams than we ever have before in our history. Saturday's loss is inexcusable, but talking about firing him?
I just ask, who is this guy who will come in and be way better? We aren't a destination school for HCs. We've only hired mid major and coordinators before this who are on their way up, Jeff wanted to be here and he's the first proven guy since Howard who also wanted to be here.
Because we can't compare the program to 2004--2006 or 2010-2013. It's a new age. Not to mention, the SEC and Big Ten have such financial advantages in terms of coaching and staff salaries that will make it even harder here.
A 35 year old Will Stein isn't a savior. We know what Jeff can do in the right circumstance, but anyone else could be a risk.
We could get someone like a Krag or a Satterfield again. Charlie Strong? I mean Charlie could work, but remember Charlie never coached in a P5 league. We wouldn't have made a bowl his first 2 years had we been in the ACC under Charlie and wouldn't have been sniffing a BCS bowl or ranked in 2012 either. Would we have been as patient with Charlie to build the momentum for 2013?
I said with Satt and I'll say with Jeff too, we have to define our expectations. We fire Jeff and we can't just expect a big turnaround and go back to Bobby 1.0 or Charlie in the Big East and AAC. We are playing tougher teams than we ever have before in our history. Saturday's loss is inexcusable, but talking about firing him?
I just ask, who is this guy who will come in and be way better? We aren't a destination school for HCs. We've only hired mid major and coordinators before this who are on their way up, Jeff wanted to be here and he's the first proven guy since Howard who also wanted to be here.
Because we can't compare the program to 2004--2006 or 2010-2013. It's a new age. Not to mention, the SEC and Big Ten have such financial advantages in terms of coaching and staff salaries that will make it even harder here.
I am still struggling with people being upset with the offense. They are averaging 32 points in their losses. The issue isn’t offense or his play calling. Now I do think it is plausible his role has playing calling has impacted his ability to manage the defense.
To be honest his messaging when he talks
about the defense is confusing. They want to be aggressive but have to be careful not to be too aggressive. It is like they are trying to thread a needle. For a head coach to want to be aggressive and for them to play conservative is weird. Doesn’t seem like they are close to being on the same page. Some of this is because when they have been aggressive they always miss assignments. To me that is all on the coaching staff.
To be honest his messaging when he talks
about the defense is confusing. They want to be aggressive but have to be careful not to be too aggressive. It is like they are trying to thread a needle. For a head coach to want to be aggressive and for them to play conservative is weird. Doesn’t seem like they are close to being on the same page. Some of this is because when they have been aggressive they always miss assignments. To me that is all on the coaching staff.
The losses to weak teams are relevant because those outcomes show you can and do lose to anybody, because even some of your top teams do not have overwhelming talent. UCONN went 5-7 that year.
You claim you don't need undefeated seasons yet after winning 10 games for the 1st time as an ACC member and reaching the title game for the first time you created a thread saying the Honeymoon is over. Now this.
He's taking you places you've never been in 1.5 years.
You want your wins, and you want 11 or 12 of them, which we''ve never done as an ACC member. You made it clear 10 isn't good enough for you.
I don't want to lose to Stanford, crap Pitt, crap UCONN, FIU, Marshall, or any other hot garbage team we've ever lost against, but it goes with the territory of being a UofL football fan.
And you demand these 11-12 win seasons while running low on NIL and resources as a city college. It's illogical.
I'll be at the PITT game I don't need a new hobby.
Good luck.
You’re were correct! I think one of them was after the new year and the site I checked didn’t take that into account!
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Actually, it's more than emotional talk, it is lunacy! Anyway, no excuses for this loss. However, Jeff is going to be here for a long time. And short some total meltdown. This type of talk is ridiculous for the middle of the second season. If we finish 7-5, that will be a mediocre season full of what ifs! Beat Pitt, and UK finish 8-4, with a win over your rival will be a GOOD season. Capping it with a Bowl Win would be a Very Good season. Having Jeff 19-8 winning 2/3 of his games overall. Sets the stage for Year 3, which in the Old Way thinking in college football would be thought of your breakout year.
In the new College football, with NIL, Paying players, and the portal. Year 3 is in uncharted territory. No denying things have changed! In my mind as a Coach, and Player. Jeff has always been a Winner, Fierce Competitor, Survivor, and Innovator. He knows how adapt to changing environments. Typically, he gets the most of his players, and the talent he coaches. Never heard one former player ever bad mouth him? If you have type it now on the Board and prove it! He knows more about football, coaching young people, and adapting than anyone typing on this keyboard! I trust him to figure things out! Go Cards beat Pitt!
You are correct and my memory isn’t what it used to be
!The site that I was looking at didn’t take the new years into account
It’s so weird because we always think 2013 Year of the Cardinal, but forget the football season was 2012.You are correct and my memory isn’t what it used to be
The site that I was looking at didn’t take the new years into account
Yea he needs a Pet Talk from Josh Heird LOL!! Yea Heird is Real Football guy! Knows more about football then Jeff!! How abot this from Heird! :" Tough loss Coach. I have all the confidence in your ability to fix any issues and win games! Let's go out and finish strong!! I got your back!! " If you consider that a Pep talk, then yea great! But if you think Heird needs to say more than two sentences, well let's just say you would be wrong!
Many of these points have merit and some not as much, but the overall view is there's still something in the way of Louisville football maintaining success.
Last season we had a tremendous defense and a so so offense. One can imagine how much better the season would have been with Shough over Plummer?
This season we have a strong offense and a so so defense. One can wonder would we still have four losses if we had last years defense?
I've been saying lately I'm concerned it's Brohm trying to be both OC and HC, but maybe that's his calling and something he just couldn't imagine not doing. He would probably prefer the OC if he had to choose only one.
I believe as it often does, it comes down to a NFL level QB that will get a team through bad defensive games or uneven officiating and coaching mistakes and still get the win.
I like Tyler Shough but he's limited at the QB position. He's a typical Georgia or Michigan type QB, who has five star linemen protecting him.
If Louisville had let's say a Jordan Travis this season, the team would probably have just one loss. Brohm needs a dual threat QB with passing being his best talent. Don't want a RB playing QB.
The shaky defense would still be around but the offense would be putting games away by the 3rd quarter. Brohm's playcalling would be much more creative using the QB as a running threat.
I hope if he once again goes for a portal transfer, it will be a duel threat QB. There are several candidates out there.
I for one would prefer to be lamenting a Cards performance on these boards after an unimpressive win, than an ugly loss like we just witnessed.
For the Cards to actually contend for a national championship, Brohm will however have to hire a top DC and other defensive coaches.
Last season we had a tremendous defense and a so so offense. One can imagine how much better the season would have been with Shough over Plummer?
This season we have a strong offense and a so so defense. One can wonder would we still have four losses if we had last years defense?
I've been saying lately I'm concerned it's Brohm trying to be both OC and HC, but maybe that's his calling and something he just couldn't imagine not doing. He would probably prefer the OC if he had to choose only one.
I believe as it often does, it comes down to a NFL level QB that will get a team through bad defensive games or uneven officiating and coaching mistakes and still get the win.
I like Tyler Shough but he's limited at the QB position. He's a typical Georgia or Michigan type QB, who has five star linemen protecting him.
If Louisville had let's say a Jordan Travis this season, the team would probably have just one loss. Brohm needs a dual threat QB with passing being his best talent. Don't want a RB playing QB.
The shaky defense would still be around but the offense would be putting games away by the 3rd quarter. Brohm's playcalling would be much more creative using the QB as a running threat.
I hope if he once again goes for a portal transfer, it will be a duel threat QB. There are several candidates out there.
I for one would prefer to be lamenting a Cards performance on these boards after an unimpressive win, than an ugly loss like we just witnessed.
For the Cards to actually contend for a national championship, Brohm will however have to hire a top DC and other defensive coaches.
And you demand these 11-12 win seasons while running low on NIL and resources as a city college. It's illogical.
I agree Louisville isn’t in a position geographically or conference wise to recruit at a level where they can consistently win 10-11 games. They are going to have years where they win 10-11 games but to expect it year in and year out is not logical. The other part that isn’t logical for us to believe they can flawlessly live in the free agent market. No one is immune from missing on guys in the portal. Down years will occur because no evaluation process is perfect.
Last thing on why they need a change on defense. They significantly misevaluated their talent on defense. They misevaluated the players ability to absorb their schemes. You can’t go through spring ball and fall ball not knowing guys didn’t have the aptitude or skill to run your schemes. How do you get 3-4 games in and have to dial it back? How do you come out of spring and fall glowing about your defensive roster when it is just the opposite? The whole defensive process is off from recruiting to development to execution.
I agree Louisville isn’t in a position geographically or conference wise to recruit at a level where they can consistently win 10-11 games. They are going to have years where they win 10-11 games but to expect it year in and year out is not logical. The other part that isn’t logical for us to believe they can flawlessly live in the free agent market. No one is immune from missing on guys in the portal. Down years will occur because no evaluation process is perfect.
Last thing on why they need a change on defense. They significantly misevaluated their talent on defense. They misevaluated the players ability to absorb their schemes. You can’t go through spring ball and fall ball not knowing guys didn’t have the aptitude or skill to run your schemes. How do you get 3-4 games in and have to dial it back? How do you come out of spring and fall glowing about your defensive roster when it is just the opposite? The whole defensive process is off from recruiting to development to execution.
I didn't remember the Syracuse game honestly. But I remembered UCONN. And Syracuse wasn't bad, they won 8 that year and were pretty tough at home.
I have to believe there will be a shakeup on the defensive staff this summer yeah. I think they need to get some dudes up front. Somehow.
We knew Stanford had good WR coming in. I think the margins are so thin in this sport some of these results that blow people's minds aren't all that shocking.
The main point is the high-level programs can get away with not playing well on some days, and still win, sometimes with ease. It's how they cruise to their 9+ wins most years.
The big question for this program is if it can stay relevant with the new landscape, and how they stack up with NIL feels concerning. It's really all about the SEC and the B10, it's quite a task.
So it then comes down to what you need as a fan. All I'm saying is if you need to be a T10 team or in the hunt for that every year you need a new hobby.
I think they have to try to find a dynamic guy on one of these SEC schools that can bring players and can recruit. The guy may not even be a DC. Kind of like Brown at Syracuse. He wasn’t a DC but highly respected. Maybe a young NFL guy. Jim Leonard is interesting. Dude can coach. DB coach for Broncos, who have a a legit secondary. Colorado has made tremendous improvements on defense. A young NFL guy. This is where Sanders NFL connections came through for him.
Brohm will have to get creative and make a risky but educated hire. His isn’t going to be able to lure away a SEC or Big Ten DC.
Here’s my 2 cents for some quick thoughts
1. Discipline, Discipline, Discipline
2. Communication especially on Defense
3. Ron English has to go
4. J.Brohm needs to give Brian the Waffle House menu at least for organization reasons,
and have Jeff make the final call of course.
5. Overall depth
1. Discipline, Discipline, Discipline
2. Communication especially on Defense
3. Ron English has to go
4. J.Brohm needs to give Brian the Waffle House menu at least for organization reasons,
and have Jeff make the final call of course.
5. Overall depth
The offense had a FR walk on making catches at BC when we were in hot water.
Huggins Bruce was buried on the S. Carolina depth chart played alot for us this yr.
True FR RB backed up by other young guys.
The QB cannot run for a first down.
Lose Thompson early. Lacy takes a hike.
It's rather surprising this team has had a chance to win every game in the 4th Q.
Fire him.
It's because the big bowl win was in 2013. Had we played in a December bowl game and beaten a Wake Forest or Missouri, there may have never been a 2013, year of the Cardinals movement.
But after the men won the championship and the women made the final 4 and the baseball team made the world series, the big bowl win in January of 2013, just fit perfectly.
Little did CardNation know that the shit was about to hit the fan and two of the big programs would hit rock bottom.
