UofL favored by 3 over Syracuse
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I guess I’m one of those that just doesn’t give up until it’s all over. Someone in conversation with me yesterday said Clemson W was do or die. No we have 3 games after this. Death hasn’t happened yet. That’s me.
And no I’m no sunshine pumper. I was livid last night. I’m questioning many things & folks involved.
And no I’m no sunshine pumper. I was livid last night. I’m questioning many things & folks involved.
I think we know which way it will go. Look good for 3 quarters, give up in the 4th.
It’s not giving up. It’s matching intensity and energy of the opponent and finding the desire and will to execute what it takes to come out a winner.
It’s not matching intensity and energy, and not finding the desire and will to execute? They do those things in the first 3 quarters, but not in the 4th. I’m not dogging on the players. They play the way they are coached. They are coached to do less in the 4th.
They have to stop their running game mainly their big plays. Force him to throw he isn’t a pure passer like the others QB’s they have faced.
Their defense is pretty good.
They are coming off a buy week plus Louisville is coming off a really emotional game. Not a good spot to be in.
Their defense is pretty good.
They are coming off a buy week plus Louisville is coming off a really emotional game. Not a good spot to be in.
I am a little out in the wilderness here, but I think we are setup to house Syracuse. We have outrushed every opponent since FSU--and in a couple cases significantly. NC State and BC had to break with their running game against us. It would be one thing to outrush them, but defensively we largely are stopping the run and have been back to Wake Forest. Obviously we have struggled with pass defense, but I don't get the sense that is in Syracuse's offensive scheme from what brief glimpses I have had of them. Can Syracuse convert on third and long? That has been the one consistent flaw we have seen from Louisville defensively and frankly that's been the case for years now...3rd and 10 leaves me with a lump in my throat.
We have more talent. We win games with a talent edge. I think we win like 38 to 27 or something like that.
I thought we'd win one of the 3 "hard games" left as of a few weeks ago - NCST, Clemson, Cayuts. I'm holding to that, so I guess Cards finish with 3 straight wins to go 7-5, ending with a win over UK?
Edit to qualify the above statement: Malik Cunningham needs to be healthy for the above to happen. Without him, the opponent can put 11 in the box (lol) because no one is throwing that football.
Please explain how a coach “coaches” a team to do less in the 4th quarter? Ok guys remember it’s the 4th quarter, don’t tackle as hard!
Proof is in the pudding, senor. Team perhaps tightens up, plays not as aggressive. They play not to lose. The game is mental as much as it is physical. Leadership matters.
Experienced depth makes a big difference. Without it, you get to the fourth quarter and the starters have played more than they should have. When the time comes in the fourth quarter to make the crucial play, our best players are a step slow.
Satterfield’s in year 3 of a rebuild of a roster that had some talented skill players on offense and not much else. You play Clawson’s team and he’s in year 8. You play Mendenhall’s team and he’s in year 6. Doeren is in year 9 and Swinney has been at Clemson now for 14 years.
Yet despite not having experienced depth, we lose those games by a combined 26 points (15 of those at NC State), and it could be argued that we should have won three of them.
Just need to let this young roster grow up - then we start winning. A lot!
Satterfield’s in year 3 of a rebuild of a roster that had some talented skill players on offense and not much else. You play Clawson’s team and he’s in year 8. You play Mendenhall’s team and he’s in year 6. Doeren is in year 9 and Swinney has been at Clemson now for 14 years.
Yet despite not having experienced depth, we lose those games by a combined 26 points (15 of those at NC State), and it could be argued that we should have won three of them.
Just need to let this young roster grow up - then we start winning. A lot!
I don't know how anyone can predict a Cards win against Syracuse unless it's a come from behind win. If the Cards enter the 4th quarter up 10 or 14 points, how could anyone not expect another collapse? What, the law of averages?
I would actually be more confident if the Cards are down 24 to 14 to start the 4th quarter. That's how messed up this season is.
I would actually be more confident if the Cards are down 24 to 14 to start the 4th quarter. That's how messed up this season is.
I hope next year sees your theory play out. You can't just FARRR that sonofabeyitch after a couple of bad seasons (unless the team and staff quit like 2018), We ALL should root for this because if they do fire him next season that means the Cards are STILL bad and it will take another staff to rebuild which means another 3, 4 years before we see results. Look at the fanbase now, there won't be 10k fans at Cardinal Stadium if this happens. We'll have the Jetsons flying around before we see another NY6 type of bowl.
Exactly.
I think right now you see a young roster. I don't see failure to develop talent. I don't see a team in turmoil. I honestly don't see us playing particularly bad. I see a young team that's struggling to close out games and they're tired by the 4th quarter. Young guys learn and grow into experienced teams that close out these games. We need to see what it looks like when it's his team. We aren't some program that can hire someone to turn it around tomorrow. Sadly, we have to wait and see. It can't just be simply "its year 3 and im mad!"
When he took over we had a roster of guys who didn't play hard and there was an awful culture. He's fixed that, guys play hard and there's a love and positive vibe in the program. When he took over, we had the worst defense in college football with no size or depth. ITS WAYYYYY BETTER now. It has improved.
When he took over, we had an offensive line that would false start with a sneeze. They were small and there wasn't any real depth. It's way better now. Not where we want, but that's been fixed.
Now we had some great skill players that he took to another level. They left and now we have some younger guys in those roles. So where we made gains (defense and offensive lines), our explosiveness took a step back for being younger in those spots, but they're all young and will get better.
I'm not a Satt guy or wasn't when he arrived. I knew the circumstances and honestly I was thinking 5-7 or 6-6 this year due to the recruiting gap Bobby left him. I judge by improvement, he's improved the program he took over. Not in large steps, but baby steps. He overachieved and got lucky in 2019 and we thought we'd be back to the top 10 in no time. But, we just had a good sting of games and a motivated team. We still had depth and talent issues all over the ball that needed 3-4 years to be fixed.
Maybe Scott isn't the long-term answer? But for right now it's not time to change course as another rebuild would be catastrophic for our program.
I’m pretty sure Satt gets another year, unless he voluntarily leaves, which is possible, because he wants to be not here. It can also be argued him staying could be catastrophic. He’s lessening the brand with shoddy recruiting and choking games away.
MC gets dinged and our offense literally collapsed. Satterfield made a decision to bring him back in, despite knowing he could not make a cut on his ankle; and Evan is just not suited for this offense. There must be another option to Conley when Malik is injured.
I would have loved to see Hall taking the direct snap in pistol formation, with either Mitchell or Cooley as RBs. It eliminates the pass option, but as far as I am concerned, that offensive set has a higher percentage of success that Conley at QB.
I would have loved to see Hall taking the direct snap in pistol formation, with either Mitchell or Cooley as RBs. It eliminates the pass option, but as far as I am concerned, that offensive set has a higher percentage of success that Conley at QB.
Games are coached differently in the 4th quarter. Check the stats. Look at the box scores. Not sure how much more evidence you need.
So we're intentionally pulling the reins in the 4th quarter ?
I think its more of a case of fatigue because of our lack of depth. I also think the other teams are making gradual adjustments throughout the game that culminate in the 4th quarter and we're not countering very well. Some of that is on Satterfield for not countering and some of that is on Malik for not reading the defense correctly and making bad decisions.
Come on man....you started with they are coached to do less. Thats seriously one of the dumbest takes Ive ever heard. Your above statement makes more sense. CSS HAS screwed the pooch on some playcalling and we havent got off the field in some key situations on 3rd down.
It is interesting to me how quickly people turned on Satterfield. Everyone knew or should of known this was a 4 to 5 year rebuild. Year one they were better than expected mainly because the offense. Year 2 was not good for whatever reason. Year 3 not good not bad. They have beaten everyone they were supposed to and lost the every one they were dogs.
Are the coaches still learning sure they are and that isn’t a surprise. We all voiced concern about the jump up into the ACC.
Progress is being made but it is occurring in small bits. No one picked up on the small tweak Satterfield made to offset Clemson stealing calls. They huddled then went fast. Pretty good stuff.
What are we really worried about?
Offense? It is a pretty good offense. It has good players and they have recruited well. QB is a problem in recruiting. Oline was near the bottom of the NCAA for sacks or tackles for loss. Year 3 they are pretty damn good. The program has to learn to put people away.
Defense? Yeah but you know what takes the longest to develop defense. You have to recruit incredibly well and coach them up. All signs are they are getting it done with recruiting. Good additions to the line last year and more coming next year. Corners need more talent.
Everyone hates losing but they actually have good things happening in that program. The amount of negativity is really surprising. Year 4 is the year to really raise expectations. They have to improve their W/L if not he will be gone.
Are the coaches still learning sure they are and that isn’t a surprise. We all voiced concern about the jump up into the ACC.
Progress is being made but it is occurring in small bits. No one picked up on the small tweak Satterfield made to offset Clemson stealing calls. They huddled then went fast. Pretty good stuff.
What are we really worried about?
Offense? It is a pretty good offense. It has good players and they have recruited well. QB is a problem in recruiting. Oline was near the bottom of the NCAA for sacks or tackles for loss. Year 3 they are pretty damn good. The program has to learn to put people away.
Defense? Yeah but you know what takes the longest to develop defense. You have to recruit incredibly well and coach them up. All signs are they are getting it done with recruiting. Good additions to the line last year and more coming next year. Corners need more talent.
Everyone hates losing but they actually have good things happening in that program. The amount of negativity is really surprising. Year 4 is the year to really raise expectations. They have to improve their W/L if not he will be gone.
Call it whatever you like: pulling the reins, choking, taking foot off the gas pedal, tightening up, The approach changes in the 4th. How is this even a debate?
I stand by it. They don't play to win in the 4th. They play not to lose. That's called doing less. Who teaches that? Coaches.
I really don’t. They have a good offense, -he has rebuilt the roster and they are very competitive in year 3 after walking into a disaster. Recruiting is going well. They are on schedule for year 4.
The complete fan meltdown is tied to him talking to USC. I don’t get that at all. I could understand if they weren’t recruiting and getting smoked in all their losses. Their SOS is in the Top 20. They are losing to good not great teams.
Part of that is true about his flirtation with USC, but I don’t really care if that means he starts having a winning record and not just 7-5. Do people have such short memories? Did Krapthorpe deserve 5-6 seasons? Hell no, the handwriting is there. Unless Satterfield makes drastic changes, ie gets a real play caller and develops depth at every position, things will stay about the same. We would not have gotten Strong if we didn’t cut ties with Steve. Just like Steve, I’m sure Scott is a great personal guy but I don’t think he’s the answer. He basically blamed Malik for losing the game because he was supposed to throw it on two of the plays. A good coach never throws his own player under the bus, at least not publicly. It’s his lack of playcalling and willingness to accept these losses may be on him rather than because of our lack of talent that has soured me.
It's not just talking to USC. It's talking to USC after a losing season, showing a lack of commitment, but also a willingness to get the hell out of here as soon as possible. Then there's the choking. A lot of choking. Maybe these late game collapses will garner the attention of a school somewhere in the mountains of Carolina so he can go back home, where he belongs. He certainly doesn't belong here.
I can't see it. Syracuse has a hell of RB and a decent Oline.
I see the same thing.
We go to the "prevent you from winning" defense and conservative play calling in the 4th. IMO that's starts to build a culture of "cruising" in the 4th quarter.
I see the same thing.
We go to the "prevent you from winning" defense and conservative play calling in the 4th. IMO that's starts to build a culture of "cruising" in the 4th quarter.
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