Time to Self-Impose a Tourney Ban

[Knucklehank1]

My weekly reminder that now is the time to self-impose a two year tourney ban. We are going to get hammered by the NCAA for the Pitino/Fair/Bowen stuff. This season is going nowhere and the near future looks even more bleak. Go on and take the medicine now. Then hire a coach that is prepared for the ACC, and more forward two years from now.

Anyone who thinks we should fight the NCAA is a couple years too late. We have lost that opportunity. We had the chance after the Katina stuff but chose the unfortunate path of throwing ourselves at the mercy of the NCAA. The probation we have been placed on has put us in the NCAA cross-hairs and fully in their jurisdiction.

Mr Tyra - prepare for the future and do the prudent thing. Self-impose!

 

[KozmasAgain]

The last time we imposed a self ban didn't help us so I don't know. I understand your reasoning but I would go a different direction. I would wait for them to impose a penalty and then sue the NCAA for bias using North Carolina to anchor my lawsuit.

 

[CardX]

Couldn't disagree more. We haven't even been hit with notice from the NCAA yet. In fact, the NCAA has yet to investigate due to the ongoing FBI investigation. Plus, self imposing doesn't guarantee anything. Self imposed last time. Didn't do a damn bit of good. Plus, I'm no fan of quitting. Let's take our lumps this year, like most rational fans expected. Keep fighting. Then we'll see what the future holds as this thing continues to play out.

 

[Knucklehank1]

The last time we imposed a self ban didn't help us so I don't know. I understand your reasoning but I would go a different direction. I would wait for them to impose a penalty and then sue the NCAA for bias using North Carolina to anchor my lawsuit.

Self-imposing did help. We weren’t hit with any additional tourney bans. Had we not self-imposed I guarantee we would have been banned one year in the future.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Couldn't disagree more. We haven't even been hit with notice from the NCAA yet. In fact, the NCAA has yet to investigate due to the ongoing FBI investigation. Plus, self imposing doesn't guarantee anything. Self imposed last time. Didn't do a damn bit of good. Plus, I'm no fan of quitting. Let's take our lumps this year, like most rational fans expected. Keep fighting. Then we'll see what the future holds as this thing continues to play out.

Problem with your rationale is that we will essentially be in b-ball purgatory while waiting on the FBI. What recruit is going to come here with this albratross around our neck? It’s not quitting. It is taking a rational punishment now to mitigate future punishment.

 

[Big_Tasty_Muffin]

My weekly reminder that now is the time to self-impose a two year tourney ban. We are going to get hammered by the NCAA for the Pitino/Fair/Bowen stuff. This season is going nowhere and the near future looks even more bleak. Go on and take the medicine now. Then hire a coach that is prepared for the ACC, and more forward two years from now.

Anyone who thinks we should fight the NCAA is a couple years too late. We have lost that opportunity. We had the chance after the Katina stuff but chose the unfortunate path of throwing ourselves at the mercy of the NCAA. The probation we have been placed on has put us in the NCAA cross-hairs and fully in their jurisdiction.

Mr Tyra - prepare for the future and do the prudent thing. Self-impose!

Bowen never played a minute for us, Pitino was fired, Fair was fired, our AD was fired, we lost all of our recruits, at the end of the year several players will transfer, we will be mocked for many years to come....

The NCAA imposing some type of ban 3-4 years down the road is ludicrous.

It's $hitty what all happened, but everyone that was involved or even close to being involved has been exiled by the program. The only ones that will be left to "accept" the penalty will be the fans. So my question to the NCAA is...Have we not suffered enough?

 

[Knucklehank1]

Bowen never played a minute for us, Pitino was fired, Fair was fired, our AD was fired, we lost all of our recruits, at the end of the year several players will transfer, we will be mocked for many years to come....

The NCAA imposing some type of ban 3-4 years down the road is ludicrous.

It's $hitty what all happened, but everyone that was involved or even close to being involved has been exiled by the program. The only ones that will be left to "accept" the penalty will be the fans. So my question to the NCAA is...Have we not suffered enough?

We are on PROBATION! And we committed a major NCAA violation about 10 minutes into that probation. No, we have not suffered enough.

 

[zipp]

We are on PROBATION! And we committed a major NCAA violation about 10 minutes into that probation. No, we have not suffered enough.

 

[1977 Cat]

 

[rockycard]

Screw the self imposed ban! I would rather face IU in the CBI tournament.

 

[HRTheCard]

We are on PROBATION! And we committed a major NCAA violation about 10 minutes into that probation. No, we have not suffered enough.

Wrong.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Wrong.

I should’ve said “we haven’t suffered enough in the eyes of the NCAA”.

It amazes me that people think we aren’t gonna get hammered. I can tell you the people at UofL think differently. It’s just a matter of what course of action to take. Most regret not challenging the NCAA the first time but realize that is no longer an option.

 

[Knucklehank1]

I was one of the very few that was right the first time around and I’m pretty sure I’m right this time as well.

 

[zipp]

I was one of the very few that was right the first time around and I’m pretty sure I’m right this time as well.

I don't recall that... You advocated NOT self imposing two years ago (as did I) but are flip-flopping now?...

 

[zipp]

...It amazes me that people think we aren’t gonna get hammered. I can tell you the people at UofL think differently...

Not sure who you're talking to, but they better hope so. We certainly took preemptive action in line with that...

 

[Knucklehank1]

I don't recall that... You advocated NOT self imposing two years ago (as did I) but are flip-flopping now?...

In fact I even argued that Lee and Lewis should’ve sought legal intervention to stop the school from self imposing. I’m not flip flopping. This is a totally different scenario. We could’ve fought things the first time around. We really don’t have that luxury this time because of the probation and the fact that the assistant is on tape. Right now it’s just a matter of how long we prolong our misery.

 

[CardsFirst]

The last time we imposed a self ban didn't help us so I don't know. I understand your reasoning but I would go a different direction. I would wait for them to impose a penalty and then sue the NCAA for bias using North Carolina to anchor my lawsuit.

Self-imposing did help. We weren’t hit with any additional tourney bans. Had we not self-imposed I guarantee we would have been banned one year in the future.

Good grief. I would have rather have lost an additional year of playing in the tournament vs losing our banner. The self imposed banned did nothing. Let them make all the decisions based on what they find. Make them work for it like UNC did.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Good grief. I would have rather have lost an additional year of playing in the tournament vs losing our banner. The self imposed banned did nothing. Let them make all the decisions based on what they find. Make them work for it like UNC did.

To be honest, the only people that really think that the vacating of wins was a real punishment were UofL fans. Most of the world thinks we got off easy the first time around. Regardless, this second time around there is nothing left to vacate. That's why we are going to get hurt with increased future penalties. If we hadn't self-imposed then last year's team would've been forced to sit out by the NCAA.

While the NCAA is "working", our recruiting will continue to suffer. Your approach would be a quasi-tourney ban without us getting any credit for it.

 

[yum center]

The only saving grace we have is this: does the NCAA want to destroy what is basically a Fortune 500 Company in Louisville Basketball? Especially with the Yum Center struggling to pay the bills. If the NCAA drives a stake in Louisville Basketball, then the Yum Center will feel the hurt as well. Hopefully someone behind the scenes is thinking about this.

 

[CardX]

Self-imposing did help. We weren’t hit with any additional tourney bans. Had we not self-imposed I guarantee we would have been banned one year in the future.

Incorrect. That penalty could have been levied . But, we already did it. So, they looked for other ways to punish. And, they went for the banner.

 

[CardX]

Problem with your rationale is that we will essentially be in b-ball purgatory while waiting on the FBI. What recruit is going to come here with this albratross around our neck? It’s not quitting. It is taking a rational punishment now to mitigate future punishment.

No matter what happens during these next few months, UofL basketball will likely suffer the next few years. Quitting, I'm sorry, mitigating now does nothing to prevent that. So, keep on keeping on.

 

[BPGhost]

Incorrect. That penalty could have been levied . But, we already did it. So, they looked for other ways to punish. And, they went for the banner.

Absolutely - they want their pound of flesh. Screw the NCAA - if anyone needs to self-impose, it’s those clueless and ineffectual paper tigers. Fight them completely - they could fold tomorrow.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Absolutely - they want their pound of flesh. Screw the NCAA - if anyone needs to self-impose, it’s those clueless and ineffectual paper tigers. Fight them completely - they could fold tomorrow.

I’m all for fighting - when we have ammunition and a good defense. Right now we have neither.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Incorrect. That penalty could have been levied . But, we already did it. So, they looked for other ways to punish. And, they went for the banner.

Even if you believe that, there isn’t another banner to take down. Any penalties will be forward looking.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Hank I just think the program is in bad shape for a lengthy time and we're splitting hairs by starting the clock right now.

This group has been through so much, and some of the current players were screwed over a few years ago - I take the position it just isn't right to the guys on the team to do what you suggest.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Hank I just think the program is in bad shape for a lengthy time and we're splitting hairs by starting the clock right now.

This group has been through so much, and some of the current players were screwed over a few years ago - I take the position it just isn't right to the guys on the team to do what you suggest.

Fair enough. My original thought was that they allow everyone to transfer and self impose next year.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Fair enough. My original thought was that they allow everyone to transfer and self impose next year.

I think they open up the transfer at the end of the year for sure.

We'd still be screwing Snider and Mahmoud, again though if we did a post season ban right now.

If this team fails to make the NCAAs, I could see them turning down an NIT/CBI bid.

Good times!

 

[ItsintheCardsRMan]

Tried post season ban before...didn't work. I would sue the NCAA to keep the title. The NCAA has become a dysfunctional and unnecessary entity. There is too much money involved in College Sports ...and specifically Mens College Basketball. Yes, College Football is King...burn the NCAA signed those rights away when they formed the BCS. The inconsistency with UNC, UCONN, Syracuse and others. In addition, the lack of attention to UK...Because we know they can't be running a clean program...shows me that they need to be disbanded. The "Strippergate" is about impressive incentatives...but they made it about sex. No recruits came to Louisville because of the Stripper Parties. Out was only guys we had already got. The thought that taking away a title from a school to teach them a lesson is just plain stupid. Especially when you consider the amount of money that was generated from all the revenue generated from the NCAA tournament is hypocritical at best. Louisville needs to tell the NCAA to pound sand...play in the tournament this season, because the will lose in the fist round cans move on.

 

[CardX]

Even if you believe that, there isn’t another banner to take down. Any penalties will be forward looking.

I think you may be confusing scandals.

 

[zipp]

The biggest reason NOT to voluntarily do anything in this instance is because no one knows where this FBI thing ends up. If many other schools are involved and the NCAA itself is in jeopardy, I could see the consequences for the schools involved be very light. The "if" part of that sentence is what many people are predicting.

The additional issue for U of L is self-imposing before got us little or nothing. We oughta learn from experience...

 

[nccardfan]

Fair enough. My original thought was that they allow everyone to transfer and self impose next year.

You can’t simply allow players to transfer unless they want to sit out a year. Transfers have to be granted and the sitting out for 1 year can only be waived if the sport is discontinued. Also say we are only banned 1 year, freshmen cannot transfer without having to sit one year because they would still have eligibility at U of L. We almost have to know what sanctions, if any, are being considered by the NCAA.

 

[Cardinal Cash]

For those who are saying the post season ban didn’t work, what did you expect the NCAA to do? Say “Oh you decided to punish yourselves, so we won’t take away your banner even though you had players that received impermissable benefits play the entire season?” The only thing the ban did was prevent an additional post season ban for 2016 and maybe this season. By rule any player receiving impermissable benefits is ineligible and if you play with an ineligible player the game is forfeited. It isn’t that hard to understand. UNC got off because the NCAA likes them and some bull crap technicality. We got hosed because we didn’t use the same defense and have random students at the parties. Unless adidas offers 100K to some random joe blow u of L student we will get hosed on this as well.

 

[Knucklehank1]

You can’t simply allow players to transfer unless they want to sit out a year. Transfers have to be granted and the sitting out for 1 year can only be waived if the sport is discontinued. Also say we are only banned 1 year, freshmen cannot transfer without having to sit one year because they would still have eligibility at U of L. We almost have to know what sanctions, if any, are being considered by the NCAA.

I believe Ole Miss football players (at least rising seniors) are going to be allowed to transfer without restriction.

 

[nccardfan]

I believe Ole Miss football players (at least rising seniors) are going to be allowed to transfer without restriction.

That’s only because the one year ban would essentially use up their remaining eligibility. If there was a two year ban, juniors can transfer without penalty. All players were allowed to transfer at PSU because ban was 4 years and hence all players would lose eligibility.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

What? Why impose a ban? We will be lucky to make the NIT this year and this is as good as it gets for at least 3 years.

 

[Knucklehank1]

What? Why impose a ban? We will be lucky to make the NIT this year and this is as good as it gets for at least 3 years.

Seems like good reason to self-impose. I’d rather the new head coach be able to sell recruits on the notion that we think we have addressed any potential NCAA ramifications. Or we can just muddle along until the FBI and then the NCAA finish up their work. Why not make this a 2 year problem instead of a potential 4 or 5 problem?

 

[MikeMcCammon]

Seems like good reason to self-impose. I’d rather the new head coach be able to sell recruits on the notion that we think we have addressed any potential NCAA ramifications. Or we can just muddle along until the FBI and then the NCAA finish up their work. Why not make this a 2 year problem instead of a potential 4 or 5 problem?

I think the NCAA is not going to give us credit for doing the inevitable.

 

[Knucklehank1]

I think the NCAA is not going to give us credit for doing the inevitable.

They have Syracuse credit a couple years ago for “the inevitable”.

 

[MikeMcCammon]

They have Syracuse credit a couple years ago for “the inevitable”.

But we are not in the same situation considering Pitino thumbed his nose at the NCAA.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]