They don't jump

[KozmasAgain]

I am watching the women's championship game between MSU vs Norte Dame. The 1st half is over and ND is being dominated. The thing I have been paying attention to is that most of the players don't jump at all. The ones that do jump don't jump higher than a foot.

If CJW would add something to the girls training that got them used to jumping we would be a lot better team. When I played sports we had to do "fast twitch " exercises that helped you develop better skills in jumping.

 

[STLNBSE]

Yes. And this is part of my reasoning for being bored senseless by women's basketball. Ironic you are noting the utter lack of athletic skill involved in that sport after arguing how great it is less than 24 hours ago.

 

[rockycard]

Credit to the OP for watching, I’m not about to watch #15 camp in the lane.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I don't think it makes it boring at all, as a matter of fact ND had tied the game. I agree with rockycard the big girl is just sitting in the lane and getting away with it. If they want to improve the game they have to improve the referees.

 

[zipp]

Why don't we change the rules to include a five-minute vertical jump competition at halftime--the same testing athletes do--with the winner to receive five points added to their score for the 2nd half? If it's that important, let's institutionalize it...

 

[gocds]

Guys jumping is obviously not why the women’s game is exciting. The fact that they are not as athletic as the men is no deep secret. The fact that their game is far more fundamentally based IS the story. Fundamental basketball is what the women play and I like it, period. I DO agree that the officiating in the women’s game is worse than bad. Perhaps allowing the officials from the men’s game to call some women’s games might help. Especially at the tournament level.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[STLNBSE]

False narrative about fundamentals. I see jump shots with ill form, poor passing as a rule, and certainly no crisp offensive execution. The women's game is a slog fest all the way around. That's fine if you like it, but the "purity" and "fundamentally sound" rhetoric is unfounded and cliche.

 

[KozmasAgain]

STLNBSE, I am not sure what you're watching but it is not women's college basketball. They pass a lot, have good shooters ( better than a lot of the men's teams) and good execution. I don't expect you to know that since you're the one who says you never watch it. I am wonder if you never watch it how can you post on the topic.

 

[STLNBSE]

You don't have to watch much. Did you ever play basketball? Not sure you understand what you are watching.

 

[Chapman123]

I watched the final four and enjoyed it. The big difference I noticed is the legs of women and I don't mean physical appearance. Their legs wear down way more quickly. By the 4th qtr they are done. Overtime they all looked like they were about to die. Hell I remember watching Notre dame and louisville men's go into 4 or 5 or whatever it was, overtimes and they were playing like it was the 1st 5 minutes still.

All that being said, we can all sit here and pick it apart and compare this and that. It's just different. It is what it is. Until we start letting transgenders on the women's teams, it always will be.

If you don't like it, dont watch it. Honestly, the only reason I watched was because louisville was playing and MSU had a cute little red head on their team . Other than that, I never watch it

 

[KozmasAgain]

I played basketball and I watch both our men's and our women's team play. Like I said you say you don't watch it, then you say you don't watch much. I don't see how you can make an honest judgement on the game if you only watch a little. There is whole lot you're missing if you only watch part.

 

[zipp]

You don't have to watch much. Did you ever play basketball? Not sure you understand what you are watching.

One sport is growing, and one is not. I guess that's proof of a lotta folks "not understanding what they're watching"...

 

[STLNBSE]

You like numbers. Show me the growth. I won't argue that the men's game is dying. And who am I to tell other people what to enjoy? I'm just saying I find it unviewable. So do most people I know. In fact, other women are often the biggest naysayers of women's hoops from my anecdotal experience.

 

[zipp]

You like numbers. Show me the growth. I won't argue that the men's game is dying. And who am I to tell other people what to enjoy? I'm just saying I find it unviewable. So do most people I know. In fact, other women are often the biggest naysayers of women's hoops from my anecdotal experience.

Total attendance nationally is easy to find and likely a good indicator...

MEN
2010 - 27,539,439
2017 - 26,938,888

WOMEN
2010 - 8,051,808
2017 - 8,300,103

Other stats could be used like TV ratings, games broadcast, etc.

 

[STLNBSE]

Thanks for this, but I don't think it shows tremendous growth. Guess I could be convinced.

 

[zipp]

Thanks for this, but I don't think it shows tremendous growth. Guess I could be convinced.

I never said "tremendous". I simply said "growing". These kinda numbers are never gonna be on a moonshot, or you wouldn't have even had to ask me the question...

 

[STLNBSE]

Put more bluntly, there's little to no evidence to back the notion of "growth" as I see it. Most people in the nation cared nothing about the sport and most still don't. Further, it is clearly easier to grow a fledgling product than one already highly successful.

I'm a football-first guy like the rest of the nation. I guess my question to those in this thread is this: would you watch college basketball -men's or women's - if Louisville weren't good at it? The perception of "growth" we are likely talking about here has to do with the Cards rise to prominence in this very niche sport. Just because we are more aware locally doesn't mean it's growing.

 

[Cue Card]

Just because we are more aware locally doesn't mean it's growing.

The stats zipp provided were national, not local. While the growth seems to be small, it's still growth. Men's basketball has lost viewership over the sample size zipp provided. I too am a football first fan so I get what you're saying. Still, there is a market for women's basketball. Not a big market, but a market that is growing.

 

[CardsFirst]

I am watching the women's championship game between MSU vs Norte Dame. The 1st half is over and ND is being dominated. The thing I have been paying attention to is that most of the players don't jump at all. The ones that do jump don't jump higher than a foot.

If CJW would add something to the girls training that got them used to jumping we would be a lot better team. When I played sports we had to do "fast twitch " exercises that helped you develop better skills in jumping.

Our girls jump. Funny thing is ND isn’t nearly as athletics as our team. Yet they won. We had a bad game at the absolute wrong time.

 

[STLNBSE]

The stats zipp provided were national, not local. While the growth seems to be small, it's still growth. Men's basketball has lost viewership over the sample size zipp provided. I too am a football first fan so I get what you're saying. Still, there is a market for women's basketball. Not a big market, but a market that is growing.

No arguments here.

 

[CardsFirst]

Put more bluntly, there's little to no evidence to back the notion of "growth" as I see it. Most people in the nation cared nothing about the sport and most still don't. Further, it is clearly easier to grow a fledgling product than one already highly successful.

I'm a football-first guy like the rest of the nation. I guess my question to those in this thread is this: would you watch college basketball -men's or women's - if Louisville weren't good at it? The perception of "growth" we are likely talking about here has to do with the Cards rise to prominence in this very niche sport. Just because we are more aware locally doesn't mean it's growing.

“As you see it”. Is that a scientific survey you conducted. You have no way to support your angle any more then those who say it’s growing. Although I suspect it is gaining popularity to some degree. It’s not going backwards.

I’m from Pittsburgh so FB has always been my first sport. But I enjoy both men’s and Women’s BB and attend all FB home games and many men’s and women’s BB games. And here’s the thing many of my friends have started doing the same.

 

[STLNBSE]

“As you see it”. Is that a scientific survey you conducted. You have no way to support your angle any more then those who say it’s growing. Although I suspect it is gaining popularity to some degree. It’s not going backwards.

I’m from Pittsburgh so FB has always been my first sport. But I enjoy both men’s and Women’s BB and attend all FB home games and many men’s and women’s BB games. And here’s the thing many of my friends have started doing the same.

The lack of significant growth is apparent in the numbers Zipp cited. Of course, you may "see it" differently. That's the thing about stats people here don't seem to grasp...they can be interpreted differently.

 

[Birdie King]

The women's game is growing here in Louisville. That's what I care about.

 

[zipp]

Put more bluntly, there's little to no evidence to back the notion of "growth" as I see it. Most people in the nation cared nothing about the sport and most still don't. Further, it is clearly easier to grow a fledgling product than one already highly successful.

I'm a football-first guy like the rest of the nation. I guess my question to those in this thread is this: would you watch college basketball -men's or women's - if Louisville weren't good at it? The perception of "growth" we are likely talking about here has to do with the Cards rise to prominence in this very niche sport. Just because we are more aware locally doesn't mean it's growing.

The lack of significant growth is apparent in the numbers Zipp cited. Of course, you may "see it" differently. That's the thing about stats people here don't seem to grasp...they can be interpreted differently.

You just don't wanna admit that your opinion is increasingly a minority POV. So you're struggling to justify it. Keep it up...

 

[STLNBSE]

Not at all the case. You pointed to growth but there are no numbers to substantiate that on any significant level. The sport isn't popular. It just isn't.

 

[Chapman123]

Put more bluntly, there's little to no evidence to back the notion of "growth" as I see it. Most people in the nation cared nothing about the sport and most still don't. Further, it is clearly easier to grow a fledgling product than one already highly successful.

I'm a football-first guy like the rest of the nation. I guess my question to those in this thread is this: would you watch college basketball -men's or women's - if Louisville weren't good at it? The perception of "growth" we are likely talking about here has to do with the Cards rise to prominence in this very niche sport. Just because we are more aware locally doesn't mean it's growing.

No I wouldn't and didn't this year until the elite 8. I went to the NIT one time because it's such a nice venue at a cheap price.

I like you, am a football guy. I have football on my tv from noon until the last game on Saturdays. If I'm outside, it's on in my garage. College football >>>>>>> college basketball all day everyday

 

[gocds]

You don't have to watch much. Did you ever play basketball? Not sure you understand what you are watching.

There was a guy by the name of John Wooden and HIS opinion is far more important than yours to ME. He praised the women for their fundamental play and I believe he understood far more than you ever could have. Unless you can prove that you know more than he did . . . . .

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[zipp]

Not at all the case. You pointed to growth but there are no numbers to substantiate that on any significant level. The sport isn't popular. It just isn't.

Now, you're trying to substitute another variable..."significance". Just curious, you get to decide that too?

 

[STLNBSE]

Yes I do Zipp.

 

[zipp]

 

[KozmasAgain]

Zipp, STLNBSE is a sUcK fan over here trolling it is best to ignore him.

 

[zipp]

Well, clown = slapd!ck!

 

[STLNBSE]

Good one. The only slappies I see here are the ones who refuse to move on from Jurich.

 

[zipp]

Good one. The only slappies I see here are the ones who refuse to move on from Jurich.

No question. Slappies always loved Jurich.

Step 1 - think
Step 2 - post

 

[STLNBSE]

Heed your own advice. Or maybe you want to illustrate more of that dynamic growth in women's hoops.

 

[PervisTheGreat]

You should put a call in to Coach Walz and tell him you have some new ideas that would totally revolutionize the girls game. I’m sure he would be receptive to your habla.

False narrative about fundamentals. I see jump shots with ill form, poor passing as a rule, and certainly no crisp offensive execution. The women's game is a slog fest all the way around. That's fine if you like it, but the "purity" and "fundamentally sound" rhetoric is unfounded and cliche.

 

[zipp]

Heed your own advice. Or maybe you want to illustrate more of that dynamic growth in women's hoops.

"Significant, then "dynamic"... Keep squirming.

 

[STLNBSE]

Who's squirming? You see, I wasn't the one who made the ridiculous statement. Therefore I don't have to squirm.

 

[zipp]

Who's squirming? You see, I wasn't the one who made the ridiculous statement. Therefore I don't have to squirm.

Keeping working on that definition of "is"...

 

[Chapman123]

Zipp, STLNBSE is a sUcK fan over here trolling it is best to ignore him.

I highly doubt it, he said he's a college football fan. If he is a UK fan, he must be miserable.