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Thank you North Carolina!

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We were all Tar Heels today! Thank you for putting UK fans back in their place. BTW UK fans, what's that noise you hear in the background? That's UNC closing in on you, they'll be winning number 6 this weekend and with Calipari at the UK helm I could easily see UNC catching up to UK in titles.

Be so great to see UNC take everything away from UK, lol
 
Guys trust me..you are VERY welcome. :)

Seriously I have to hand it to the kitties...their players left everything on the floor. Great game, great loud fans at the game, just glad we won. As for Ruptured Rafters, I don't have a biohazard suit so I'll pass on going there tonight. :)
 
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Guys trust me..you are VERY welcome. :)

Seriously I have to hand it to the kitties...their players left everything on the floor. Great game, great loud fans at the game, just glad we won. As for Ruptured Rafters, I don't have a biohazard suit so I'll pass on going there tonight. :)
Congrats NENCHeel and the rest of your crew that stop by from time to time. Classic game. Both teams played their butts off.
 
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Whew!!! I sure am glad UNC stopped the sUcK train from going any further. I am also glad that UNC is doing their part of representing our conference since the rest of us failed. GO TARHEELS !!! I hope you win the whole thing.
 
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I'd like to thank UNC as well. I'd also like to complain that somehow their obstinance in regards to the NCAA investigation seems to be paying off while we are still waiting in further sanctions despite our self imposed ones.
 
...I'd also like to complain that somehow their obstinance in regards to the NCAA investigation seems to be paying off while we are still waiting in further sanctions despite our self imposed ones.
No complaints here. That's good strategy on UNC's part and bad on ours. We should have followed their example.

Congrats Heels on another great season.

"Elite program," my a$$...
 
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No complaints here. That's good strategy on UNC's part and bad on ours. We should have followed their example.

Congrats Heels on another great season.

"Elite program," my a$$...

I agree. My complaint is that we chose the wrong playbook.
 
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My heart hurts from that nerve-racking game! Thanks for pulling for us!

Adding Louisville is still the best move the ACC has made in years and years. Love having y'all in the conference. Excellent athletics program. I fully expect y'all to make a deep tourney run next year.

Oh...and thanks for beating MooU in baseball today! ;)
 
No complaints here. That's good strategy on UNC's part and bad on ours. We should have followed their example.

Congrats Heels on another great season.

"Elite program," my a$$...

I agree. My complaint is that we chose the wrong playbook.
Yet to be determined. You have no clue how the UNC situation will shake out at UNC. And there's a vast difference between what happened down there vs. what occurred here. I wouldn't be so quick to praise anybody when comes to the fickle NCAA. Our situation will be resolved and settled while they'll still have it hanging over their heads. No thanks I want the nightmare to end.
 
Yet to be determined. You have no clue how the UNC situation will shake out at UNC...
Well, let's talk about what we do know...

UNC could have preemptively decided to take a postseason ban for 2017. And look what that would have cost them... A trip to the Final Four for sure, and now they're probably the Vegas favorite to win it all next weekend.

We took our ban with a pretty competitive team last year, and got it out of the way so we could play in the tourney this year. What that allowed us to do was get to the round of 32 a week ago. Who knows--we never will--what it cost us last year? All I remember was a lotta heartache 12 months ago about what could have been.

By being such a good guy, a good sport, we could have cost ourselves dearly. The equivalent of that 2013 banner that so many now wanna protect. All I know is saving ourselves for this year didn't net much. And you don't know that you would have gotten ANY postseason ban anyway. As U of L says NOW...we're talking, what, a few thousand dollars, no five star recruits, and no harm done? Why wasn't that argument made BEFORE the voluntary ban?

Maybe our ex-Prez off in the Caribbean or the South Pacific has an answer for us...
 
And in case we're weighing this year vs. last year...

Trade Onuaku, Lee & Lewis off of last year's team for King and Hicks this year. Same team otherwise.

Odd how the ban looked like such a good decision to some, and not that long ago...
 
I can't wait to get home tomorrow from Memphis. I've got a looooong list of friends & neighbors I need to visit.
 
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We were all Tar Heels today! Thank you for putting UK fans back in their place. BTW UK fans, what's that noise you hear in the background? That's UNC closing in on you, they'll be winning number 6 this weekend and with Calipari at the UK helm I could easily see UNC catching up to UK in titles.

Be so great to see UNC take everything away from UK, lol
I actually bought a Carolina blue shirt (Not an actual UNC T-shirt) and wore it yesterday.

Comfy shirt. :D
 
And in case we're weighing this year vs. last year...

Trade Onuaku, Lee & Lewis off of last year's team for King and Hicks this year. Same team otherwise.

Odd how the ban looked like such a good decision to some, and not that long ago...
Well, count me as a fan who doesn't think the end justifies the means...I still think it was the right call regardless of what the NCAA does...at the end of the day we have to look ourselves in the mirror and I won't judge us based on the actions of others. UNC, or whoever, can do what they think is in their best interest; but I'm a proponent of owning up and getting the crap behind us.
 
Well, let's talk about what we do know...

UNC could have preemptively decided to take a postseason ban for 2017. And look what that would have cost them... A trip to the Final Four for sure, and now they're probably the Vegas favorite to win it all next weekend.

We took our ban with a pretty competitive team last year, and got it out of the way so we could play in the tourney this year. What that allowed us to do was get to the round of 32 a week ago. Who knows--we never will--what it cost us last year? All I remember was a lotta heartache 12 months ago about what could have been.

By being such a good guy, a good sport, we could have cost ourselves dearly. The equivalent of that 2013 banner that so many now wanna protect. All I know is saving ourselves for this year didn't net much. And you don't know that you would have gotten ANY postseason ban anyway. As U of L says NOW...we're talking, what, a few thousand dollars, no five star recruits, and no harm done? Why wasn't that argument made BEFORE the voluntary ban?

Maybe our ex-Prez off in the Caribbean or the South Pacific has an answer for us...
Why would UNC take a self imposed basketball ban when it is the academic department in question? That's the difference. We know our basketball players, prospects and staff were involved. Enough evidence was provided to the president, AD and head coach that they agreed to take the punishment. UNC knows that it will be difficult to prove that the academic department deliberately used resources for the benefit of passing basketball players orchestrated by the coaching staff. Too difficult to prove the connection and UNC knows it. Two completely different scenarios. Time to move on from that argument.
 
Why would UNC take a self imposed basketball ban when it is the academic department in question? That's the difference. We know our basketball players, prospects and staff were involved. Enough evidence was provided to the president, AD and head coach that they agreed to take the punishment. UNC knows that it will be difficult to prove that the academic department deliberately used resources for the benefit of passing basketball players orchestrated by the coaching staff. Too difficult to prove the connection and UNC knows it. Two completely different scenarios. Time to move on from that argument.
Then, why do some of our fans keep bringing up UNC as a barometer for our situation? I don't really disagree with you, but I think many of our fans probably do...
 
Well, count me as a fan who doesn't think the end justifies the means...I still think it was the right call regardless of what the NCAA does...at the end of the day we have to look ourselves in the mirror and I won't judge us based on the actions of others. UNC, or whoever, can do what they think is in their best interest; but I'm a proponent of owning up and getting the crap behind us.
Owning up is fine, but your school did more than that... It also decided the appropriate punishment AND it assumed it was operating in good faith with the NCAA. Both could have been bad decisions, and the latter looks for sure like it was.

You never go by the same rules when the other guy has an agenda against you. Fine to be honest and forthright when you're dealing with someone who's objective and reasonable. As we're finding out--again--that ain't the NCAA. If you assume these clowns have it in for ya, then you don't get disappointed.

BTW, I have personal experience in this area with an entity like the NCAA. If you act like the truth will set you free, as most lawyers do, you'll be sorely mistaken. This LINK (WARNING: CJ ARTICLE) is evidence of what I'm talking about. "Fishing expedition" rings true with me...
 
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Last year's team was not a FF caliber team. If we had played the season out, more than likely it would have played out the same as this year. Now what would have preferred the ban on last year's team or possibly next year's team, which may have a legitimate chance at the FF.
 
Last year's team was not a FF caliber team. If we had played the season out, more than likely it would have played out the same as this year. Now what would have preferred the ban on last year's team or possibly next year's team, which may have a legitimate chance at the FF.
For sure if Mitchell goes pro, you have no better feel for next year than you did last year. Both teams will be/would have been strong...
 
Yet to be determined. You have no clue how the UNC situation will shake out at UNC...
Well, let's talk about what we do know...

UNC could have preemptively decided to take a postseason ban for 2017. And look what that would have cost them... A trip to the Final Four for sure, and now they're probably the Vegas favorite to win it all next weekend.

We took our ban with a pretty competitive team last year, and got it out of the way so we could play in the tourney this year. What that allowed us to do was get to the round of 32 a week ago. Who knows--we never will--what it cost us last year? All I remember was a lotta heartache 12 months ago about what could have been.

By being such a good guy, a good sport, we could have cost ourselves dearly. The equivalent of that 2013 banner that so many now wanna protect. All I know is saving ourselves for this year didn't net much. And you don't know that you would have gotten ANY postseason ban anyway. As U of L says NOW...we're talking, what, a few thousand dollars, no five star recruits, and no harm done? Why wasn't that argument made BEFORE the voluntary ban?

Maybe our ex-Prez off in the Caribbean or the South Pacific has an answer for us...
Your once again assuming that the NCAA won't drop those banners which in UNCs case is a real possibility, which is why they are fighting like they are. The allegations against UNC are pretty severe and player involved did play in those championships. As you know makes it very different than us. We were guilty just face it. We need to take our medicine and move on. Will survive.
 
Yet to be determined. You have no clue how the UNC situation will shake out at UNC...
Well, let's talk about what we do know...

UNC could have preemptively decided to take a postseason ban for 2017. And look what that would have cost them... A trip to the Final Four for sure, and now they're probably the Vegas favorite to win it all next weekend.

We took our ban with a pretty competitive team last year, and got it out of the way so we could play in the tourney this year. What that allowed us to do was get to the round of 32 a week ago. Who knows--we never will--what it cost us last year? All I remember was a lotta heartache 12 months ago about what could have been.

By being such a good guy, a good sport, we could have cost ourselves dearly. The equivalent of that 2013 banner that so many now wanna protect. All I know is saving ourselves for this year didn't net much. And you don't know that you would have gotten ANY postseason ban anyway. As U of L says NOW...we're talking, what, a few thousand dollars, no five star recruits, and no harm done? Why wasn't that argument made BEFORE the voluntary ban?

Maybe our ex-Prez off in the Caribbean or the South Pacific has an answer for us...
And it's not about being a good guy it's about moving the program forward. Getting this in our past as quick as possible.
 
And it's not about being a good guy it's about moving the program forward. Getting this in our past as quick as possible.
That's your problem...you ain't "getting this in your past." You miscalculated. (Not you personally...)

Fans misunderstand how important this Pitino legacy thing is. YOU may not care about Pitino's legacy, but he obviously does. And Jurich cares about what Pitino cares about, like that or not. This appears to be a major sticking point.

You don't know what's gonna happen to Carolina or what would have happened to us. I don't know, and you're no smarter than me. You assume these things; I assume nothing, except that people with agendas like the NCAA can't be trusted. They're proving that again...
 
We took our ban with a pretty competitive team last year, and got it out of the way so we could play in the tourney this year. What that allowed us to do was get to the round of 32 a week ago. Who knows--we never will--what it cost us last year? All I remember was a lotta heartache 12 months ago about what could have been.

By being such a good guy, a good sport, we could have cost ourselves dearly. The equivalent of that 2013 banner that so many now wanna protect. All I know is saving ourselves for this year didn't net much. And you don't know that you would have gotten ANY postseason ban anyway. As U of L says NOW...we're talking, what, a few thousand dollars, no five star recruits, and no harm done? Why wasn't that argument made BEFORE the voluntary ban?

Maybe our ex-Prez off in the Caribbean or the South Pacific has an answer for us...

Hindsight is 20/20. We'll never know how last year's team would've done in the tourney and if the ban was this season we would've been saying the same thing.

I'm not going to say I'm sure which course of action was/is the "right" one. But consider this. UofL doesn't self ban last year and instead takes a ban this year or next instead and most of our roster decides to leave- which they could have. Going that way hurts our team FAR more and far longer than taking the ban last year in the middle of the season. As I've heard it, the amount of money didn't matter to the NCAA in this case and they stated as much.
 
Hindsight is 20/20. We'll never know how last year's team would've done in the tourney and if the ban was this season we would've been saying the same thing.

I'm not going to say I'm sure which course of action was/is the "right" one. But consider this. UofL doesn't self ban last year and instead takes a ban this year or next instead and most of our roster decides to leave- which they could have. Going that way hurts our team FAR more and far longer than taking the ban last year in the middle of the season. As I've heard it, the amount of money didn't matter to the NCAA in this case and they stated as much.
Money is not the improper benefit it's the promise or seemingly promise of a sexual act. And you can't put a value on that even though the ho's charged a certain amount. Doesn't matter if they were $10 hookers or $1000 prostitutes. Sex for money in Kentucky is illegal.
 
Hindsight is 20/20. We'll never know how last year's team would've done in the tourney and if the ban was this season we would've been saying the same thing.

I'm not going to say I'm sure which course of action was/is the "right" one. But consider this. UofL doesn't self ban last year and instead takes a ban this year or next instead and most of our roster decides to leave- which they could have. Going that way hurts our team FAR more and far longer than taking the ban last year in the middle of the season. As I've heard it, the amount of money didn't matter to the NCAA in this case and they stated as much.
I don't second-guess too many decisions in the heat of the moment. When a coach has 30 seconds, you can't sleep on it overnite and make an informed decision tomorrow. That wasn't the case here. We had highly paid executives, and one paid assassin who was an expert in NCAA investigations. Hell yes, their decisions can be reviewed and analyzed for how good they were, just like any executive in this country running a multimillion-dollar operation.

My guess is last year's team would have at least won one game in the NCAA. That's a pretty low bar, but we KNOW factually that's all this team did.

And no player gets to leave if you don't take any ban. UNC has a pretty good roster today, and they're facing who-knows-what. You had a blue chipper in VJ King commit here with NO assurances that U of L would be eligible to play this past year. I think you're overstating the effect on our roster.

The NCAA is saying the amount of money doesn't matter. Although, as I understand, their rules say otherwise. They're changing the rules to fit their narrative...
 
And no player gets to leave if you don't take any ban. UNC has a pretty good roster today, and they're facing who-knows-what. You had a blue chipper in VJ King commit here with NO assurances that U of L would be eligible to play this past year. I think you're overstating the effect on our roster.

I stated a possible scenario that COULD have happened just like you are about if UofL did not self ban last year. Like you said, you don't know and I don't know what could've or would've happened or even what might happen still. You posted the rosy outcome if UofL decided not to ban last year and I was simply stating the equally possible not so rosy picture. You can't say your version is any more accurate than mine.
 
We were all Tar Heels today! Thank you for putting UK fans back in their place. BTW UK fans, what's that noise you hear in the background? That's UNC closing in on you, they'll be winning number 6 this weekend and with Calipari at the UK helm I could easily see UNC catching up to UK in titles.

Be so great to see UNC take everything away from UK, lol

UNC has a great team this year. They're one of the all-time great programs. They have one of the best coaches of all-time. Pretty crazy run they've had these last 2 years. You're right they could be closing in on UK in terms of titles.
 
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