Talent, Size, Athleticism

[shadow force]

There hasn't been a more obvious difference in talent, size, and athleticism this season between the Cards and an opposing team than today.

The eye test saw that our team is lacking all these things at an elite level.

Still glad to see them play hard and make a game of it but it doesn't take away from the obvious disparity.

 

[KozmasAgain]

I don’t see how FSU gets so many 7 footers maybe we can get one from them in the portal. I don’t know how we stand on recruiting for next year since the coaching change but we had a good 6’10” player coming in. I hope we can hold on to him.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

I'm going to add, and OP I'm sure size probably covers what I'm about to say... but that length is the difference maker maybe.

You have one team with what felt like 3-5 guys with incredible length disrupting passes, playing above the rim, having the range to grab the rebounds in traffic or keep the ball alive, and just redirecting their opponent by being able to flex wingspan.

Then you have our team, which... played with a ton of heart but doesn't have one single player that is playing above the rim, deflecting passes with length, grabbing those tough rebounds in traffic with long arms.

It's really a massive difference maker.

 

[Knucklehank1]

There hasn't been a more obvious difference in talent, size, and athleticism this season between the Cards and an opposing team than today.

The eye test saw that our team is lacking all these things at an elite level.

Still glad to see them play hard and make a game of it but it doesn't take away from the obvious disparity.

Exactly! I had a great time at the game and very much appreciated the effort. However, Duke has some dudes and we don’t. That’s a big reason why I’m onboard with hiring Payne. We need some higher level athletes. I’m tired of Furman and DePaul (not to mention Duke) have better guys than us.

 

[Louisvillian]

There hasn't been a more obvious difference in talent, size, and athleticism this season between the Cards and an opposing team than today.

The eye test saw that our team is lacking all these things at an elite level.

Still glad to see them play hard and make a game of it but it doesn't take away from the obvious disparity.

Perfectly said

 

[shadow force]

I'm going to add, and OP I'm sure size probably covers what I'm about to say... but that length is the difference maker maybe.

You have one team with what felt like 3-5 guys with incredible length disrupting passes, playing above the rim, having the range to grab the rebounds in traffic or keep the ball alive, and just redirecting their opponent by being able to flex wingspan.

Then you have our team, which... played with a ton of heart but doesn't have one single player that is playing above the rim, deflecting passes with length, grabbing those tough rebounds in traffic with long arms.

It's really a massive difference maker.

Yes, length is definitely important and a difference maker that goes along with size. (Thats what she said.)

Length is something that can help in so many other areas of the game that you just mentioned. Guys like Trez, Mitchell, and Rozier weren't the tallest guys at their position but their length and wingspan helped a ton.

 

[nccardfan]

How many times does it need to be stated, Mack did not recruit shot blockers or rim protectors. He relied on defensive positioning and the vaunted pack line defense… there were possessions where we made it hard on Duke but defense eventually broke down because we always switch…

 

[shadow force]

Our guards, with the exception of Ellis, were severely outmatched due to lack of size, length, and athleticism. And even Ellis, though he has the speed, is limited by his size. Same goes for most of our front court.

It was easy for Dukes players to see and pass over our guys and to get passed them. They also used their length to disrupt our guys in both passing and altering shots at the rim. West and Locke especially lack the size and athleticism to compete against that level of talent.

 

[Knucklehank1]

Our guards, with the exception of Ellis, were severely outmatched due to lack of size, length, and athleticism. And even Ellis, though he has the speed, is limited by his size.

It was easy for Dukes players to see and pass over our guys and to get passed them. They also used their length to disrupt our guys in both passing and altering shots at the rim. West and Locke especially lack the size and athleticism to compete against that level of talent.

Ellis is our only guard that can get to the rack. On the flip side his defense isn’t strong enough to stop the opponent to drive to the rack.

 

[nccardfan]

Our guards, with the exception of Ellis, were severely outmatched due to lack of size, length, and athleticism. And even Ellis, though he has the speed, is limited by his size. Same goes for most of our front court.

It was easy for Dukes players to see and pass over our guys and to get passed them. They also used their length to disrupt our guys in both passing and altering shots at the rim. West and Locke especially lack the size and athleticism to compete against that level of talent.

We say the same thing every year when we play the kitties. Just glad that game didn’t happen..

 

[ShortCreek]

There hasn't been a more obvious difference in talent, size, and athleticism this season between the Cards and an opposing team than today.

The eye test saw that our team is lacking all these things at an elite level.

Still glad to see them play hard and make a game of it but it doesn't take away from the obvious disparity.

Been saying it all season. No future NBA players on our roster. Zero. That cannot happen again. Our size & talent level is mediocre at best.

 

[ShortCreek]

Ellis is our only guard that can get to the rack. On the flip side his defense isn’t strong enough to stop the opponent to drive to the rack.

El’s a dynamic player offensively. And he has the tools to be a very good defender, he’s just gotta want it.

 

[Louis III]

El’s a dynamic player offensively. And he has the tools to be a very good defender, he’s just gotta want it.

And play more than friggin Faulkner!!

 

[2330859]

Size matters; the combination of Williams and Banchero at Duke was impressive; those two are not only tall; they are as athletic as anyone. The huge Offensive Rebounding advantage was the difference.

Kessler and Jabari Smith combination at Auburn explains in large part why they are #1. Dickinson and Diabate at Michigan are another tall duo that are formidable.

Malik did a nice job yesterday on the boards (12), but no one else for UL came close to supporting his effort in rebounding. I am sure Gabe is just not talented enough to play at this level, but he has the size to block the opponents off the glass.

 

[ShortCreek]

Size matters; the combination of Williams and Banchero at Duke was impressive; those two are not only tall; they are as athletic as anyone. The huge Offensive Rebounding advantage was the difference.

Kessler and Jabari Smith combination at Auburn explains in large part why they are #1. Dickinson and Diabate at Michigan are another tall duo that are formidable.

Malik did a nice job yesterday on the boards (12), but no one else for UL came close to supporting his effort in rebounding. I am sure Gabe is just not talented enough to play at this level, but he has the size to block the opponents off the glass.

I knew Gabe wasn’t this level after watching him play once. Whoever decided to sign him was delusional. The kid has a great story but he’s just not an ACC player. Hell, I’m not sure he could even help Bellarmine.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Duke was also missing a guy that gets 12/3/3 and 2 steals per who would be our best player.

Yep, the talent discrepancy is wide.

 

[Thecycle27]

Mack and staff clearly had issues across the board but their evaluation of players was down right terrible.

 

[glassmanJ]

so kind of off topic but it relates, but i heard a portion of a radio interview w/pegues right after the change and he said these things which made my head scratch...basically, he said when mack came back from suspensions he was playing catch up, that they had installed new plays, new terminology and that mack, having not been there, was having to learn all this stuff before he could act as a coach and my first thought was, did pegues compleletly undermine and sabotage mack? i mean why would the head coach have to come in and be behind if you are implementing his system and not yours? why would there be plays he didn't know about? i know there ws not contact but come on. seems that mack had no chance to succeed this year if the assitant coacheds changed his gameplan before he even got to coach. imagine trying to instill your system when the coaches changed it on you. but pegues also knocked that lack of fundmentals like screens but he''s a coach who should have been teaching those so his fault bad screening, so what was he doing why mack was away? was he undermoining everything and making it his own? not sure, but defeinitely from the interview i got the impression pegues ran the team his own way without trying to run macks system then mack came back and all the players were 100% confused. anyone hear that interview?

 

[nccardfan]

And play more than friggin Faulkner!!

Just shows you don’t know much about basketball. Yes, he takes crazy shots from time to time but he’s the only one looking to pass to his teammates. He’s been averaging 4 to 1 assist to turnovers (hint 2 to 1 is average) and would have at least 2 or 3 more (at least 1 to Curry) if the players executed a dunk or layup.

 

[Louis III]

Just shows you don’t know much about basketball. Yes, he takes crazy shots from time to time but he’s the only one looking to pass to his teammates. He’s been averaging 4 to 1 assist to turnovers (hint 2 to 1 is average) and would have at least 2 or 3 more (at least 1 to Curry) if the players executed a dunk or layup.

Played ball my whole life and coach both of kids teams, so I think my knowledge is fine, so before you start insulting someone you don't know, I suggest shutting up and respecting an "opinion".

Faulkner averages 3 to 1 assist to turnover. Hell West averages that, should we start and play them both 30 minutes. Hell no.

I'll take my chances with Ellis and live with some of the mistakes.

 

[nccardfan]

Played ball my whole life and coach both of kids teams, so I think my knowledge is fine, so before you start insulting someone you don't know, I suggest shutting up and respecting an "opinion".

Faulkner averages 3 to 1 assist to turnover. Hell West averages that, should we start and play them both 30 minutes. Hell no.

I'll take my chances with Ellis and live with some of the mistakes.

Again west averages 7 more minutes than Faulkner. Of course you knew that, right.

 

[nccardfan]

Played ball my whole life and coach both of kids teams, so I think my knowledge is fine, so before you start insulting someone you don't know, I suggest shutting up and respecting an "opinion".

Faulkner averages 3 to 1 assist to turnover. Hell West averages that, should we start and play them both 30 minutes. Hell no.

I'll take my chances with Ellis and live with some of the mistakes.

I didn’t say Faulkner over Ellis. Faulkner over west at the PG.

 

[Louis III]

Again west averages 7 more minutes than Faulkner. Of course you knew that, right.

He definitely hasnt the last month.

 

[nccardfan]

He definitely hasnt the last month.

Ok. Let’s have it your way. In ACC play, West averages just 3 more minutes per game. West’s assists to turnovers is 27/12 = 2.25. Faulkner is 37/11 = 3.36. Mic drop…

 

[Louis III]

Ok. Let’s have it your way. In ACC play, West averages just 3 more minutes per game. West’s assists to turnovers is 27/12 = 2.25. Faulkner is 37/11 = 3.36. Mic drop…

I think we are saying the same thing to a degree. West and Faulkner should play 20 minutes combined at the 1/2.